[Archived] Eu Referendum, In Or Out - Looks Like Blackburn Wants Out !

[JAL]

So the plan if we stay is effectively more of the same, as far as I can tell.

I think the government ministers who are pro-Brexit need to spell out what is the plan if we where to leave. Where exactly would the additional funds go, and in what quantities. Theres all sorts of talk about what could happen, but what is the plan. What exactly would our immigration policy be, not what could it be. Unless that is dictated as a choice, to me its a massive risk to vote for a possible picture of what may happen.

We all need to know and fully understand what the Trans Atlantic trade agreement (TTIP) is and how could impact on everyone in Britain first and foremost.

[yoda]

We all need to know and fully understand what the Trans Atlantic trade agreement (TTIP) is and how could impact on everyone in Britain first and foremost.

From the bits that have been leaked (it is all secret) it gives the Yank corporations a major say in governmental policies and the power to subject monopoly institutions to market forces, that includes the NHS ! Land registry etc

[yoda]

Given that the EU is responsible for about 13% of our laws, I wouldn't say that was entirely true Yoda ;-)

Having signed up to the eurozone, they're dictated to by Germany and have had no choice. Another reason to thank Gordon Brown and why we enjoy the best of both worlds by being out of the eurozone but within the EU. Our govt didn't have to impose austerity - it made an idelological and political decision to do so.

Our Government votes to do something, the EU blanks it

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood.

Half the population should vote to leave in protest

[K-Hod]

From the bits that have been leaked (it is all secret) it gives the Yank corporations a major say in governmental policies and the power to subject monopoly institutions to market forces, that includes the NHS ! Land registry etc

The NHS is excluded from TTIP....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/18/no-ttip-is-not-a-good-reason-for-britain-to-leave-the-european-u/

'Public health services that receive state funding or help from the government are excluded from the deal'.

[yoda]

The NHS is excluded from TTIP....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/18/no-ttip-is-not-a-good-reason-for-britain-to-leave-the-european-u/

'Public health services that receive state funding or help from the government are excluded from the deal'.

Did you miss this line

But the EU’s proposal on market access is clear: TTIP does not threaten the NHS in its current form.

There you have the catch all wording in bold.

The boy George will be smarting at the moment at the prospect of half the population being @#/? off,

Hell have no fury like a woman scorned.

[JAL]

What I don't see in the Daily Telegraphs article on TTIP deal is the impact it will have on blowing away current European and British employment rights that are standard today.

This deal is what the nation is discussing before opting in and out of Europe with France and Germany's voice also included in the discussions.

[jim mk2]

Our Government votes to do something, the EU blanks it

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/673665/EU-referendum-George-Osborne-Brexit-tampon-tax-John-Redwood.

Half the population should vote to leave in protest

Yes, let's create economic havoc for the next 10 years over tampons.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36379934

Another landmark in the journey to widespread anti-white racism in this country. We already have a mainstream party with a systematic prejudice against Jews, its almost comical how oblivious many of them are​ to the fact that we aren't too far down the queue as the inevitability of demographic trends push us towards a minority in this country within 50-100 years.

Imagine an advert with an aggressive, almost psychotic Muslim threatening a sweet old white woman. And it being used to criticise a perfectly acceptable viewpoint many Muslims had, just as Vote Leave is a perfectly acceptable viewpoint. The media, the public, politicians would be going absolutely barmy. As it is, the media (or at least the utterly contemptible BBC), write an article practically advocating the thing, filling almost the entire article with quotes from the racist organisation behind it claiming its validity.

And who do they, very briefly, quote to give the opposing argument? Farage. Is that because they wanted someone lacking in genuine credibility to weaken criticism of the ad? Or because every other politician was too scared to label it as the racist bull it is? Either way its a worrying sign of things to come, acceptable anti-white racism.

[Paul]

So the plan if we stay is effectively more of the same, as far as I can tell.

I think the government ministers who are pro-Brexit need to spell out what is the plan if we where to leave. Where exactly would the additional funds go, and in what quantities. Theres all sorts of talk about what could happen, but what is the plan. What exactly would our immigration policy be, not what could it be. Unless that is dictated as a choice, to me its a massive risk to vote for a possible picture of what may happen.

in my mind there is no plan. Brexit, if we are talking about "power," is a collection of politicians and others who believe we should leave the EU. They tell us immigration will change, EU contributions will be channelled to the NHS etc. etc. but crucially none of these people have the power to implement any changes.

The government holds power, Brexit does not, and there is no reason to believe this will change if the country votes out. Cameron will still be in No 10, we remain four years away from a general election when we may or may not get a new leadership.

Those voting for out are going to be sadly disappointed as it won't make a ha'porth of difference in terms of all the "benefits" exit is said to bring. We will though have closed the door on much more than a trade zone.

To my mind a vote for out is a vote for nothing, a wasted vote. Unless of course there is a convincing argument the government will suddenly spend all this extra cash on society?

[yoda]

in my mind there is no plan. Brexit, if we are talking about "power," is a collection of politicians and others who believe we should leave the EU. They tell us immigration will change, EU contributions will be channelled to the NHS etc. etc. but crucially none of these people have the power to implement any changes.

The government holds power, Brexit does not, and there is no reason to believe this will change if the country votes out. Cameron will still be in No 10, we remain four years away from a general election when we may or may not get a new leadership.

Those voting for out are going to be sadly disappointed as it won't make a ha'porth of difference in terms of all the "benefits" exit is said to bring. We will though have closed the door on much more than a trade zone.

To my mind a vote for out is a vote for nothing, a wasted vote. Unless of course there is a convincing argument the government will suddenly spend all this extra cash on society?

Will the next government

[JAL]

From the bits that have been leaked (it is all secret) it gives the Yank corporations a major say in governmental policies and the power to subject monopoly institutions to market forces, that includes the NHS ! Land registry etc

What's the land registry bit yoda ?

[yoda]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36379934

Another landmark in the journey to widespread anti-white racism in this country. We already have a mainstream party with a systematic prejudice against Jews, its almost comical how oblivious many of them are​ to the fact that we aren't too far down the queue as the inevitability of demographic trends push us towards a minority in this country within 50-100 years.

Imagine an advert with an aggressive, almost psychotic Muslim threatening a sweet old white woman. And it being used to criticise a perfectly acceptable viewpoint many Muslims had, just as Vote Leave is a perfectly acceptable viewpoint. The media, the public, politicians would be going absolutely barmy. As it is, the media (or at least the utterly contemptible BBC), write an article practically advocating the thing, filling almost the entire article with quotes from the racist organisation behind it claiming its validity.

And who do they, very briefly, quote to give the opposing argument? Farage. Is that because they wanted someone lacking in genuine credibility to weaken criticism of the ad? Or because every other politician was too scared to label it as the racist bull it is? Either way its a worrying sign of things to come, acceptable anti-white racism.

I saw that last night on the news, disgusting racist poster

What's the land registry bit yoda ?

One of many goverment service providers that will be privatised

[Paul]

Will the next government

Perhaps?? 😀

[yoda]

Perhaps?? 😀

I thought that kind of reply was the property of the out campaigners

[Paul]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36379934

Another landmark in the journey to widespread anti-white racism in this country. We already have a mainstream party with a systematic prejudice against Jews, its almost comical how oblivious many of them are​ to the fact that we aren't too far down the queue as the inevitability of demographic trends push us towards a minority in this country within 50-100 years.

Imagine an advert with an aggressive, almost psychotic Muslim threatening a sweet old white woman. And it being used to criticise a perfectly acceptable viewpoint many Muslims had, just as Vote Leave is a perfectly acceptable viewpoint. The media, the public, politicians would be going absolutely barmy. As it is, the media (or at least the utterly contemptible BBC), write an article practically advocating the thing, filling almost the entire article with quotes from the racist organisation behind it claiming its validity.

And who do they, very briefly, quote to give the opposing argument? Farage. Is that because they wanted someone lacking in genuine credibility to weaken criticism of the ad? Or because every other politician was too scared to label it as the racist bull it is? Either way its a worrying sign of things to come, acceptable anti-white racism.

I'd never heard of OBV so googled the organisation. The search found OBV but also the same story, with pretty much identical reporting to the BBC, in The Mail, Independent (no Farage quotes), ITV, Metro. These presumably are also utterly appalling?

I'm not defending the content but you seem at least equally interested in attacking the BBC as the people mounting the campaign.

I thought that kind of reply was the property of the out campaigners

Probably. 😀

I thought the rest of your response was missing as I was unsure about the point you're making.

[yoda]

I'd never heard of OBV so googled the organisation. The search found OBV but also the same story, with pretty much identical reporting to the BBC, in The Mail, Independent (no Farage quotes), ITV, Metro. These presumably are also utterly appalling?

I'm not defending the content but you seem at least equally interested in attacking the BBC as the people mounting the campaign.

Probably.

I thought the rest of your response was missing as I was unsure about the point you're making.

The point was/is will any future UK government be able to govern the country effectively if we stay in the EU, tampons being the thin end of the wedge

[JAL]

The point was/is will any future UK government be able to govern the country effectively if we stay in the EU, tampons being the thin end of the wedge

Looks like its a simple question then.....

In or out ?

who do you want to be ruled by .........Europe or America ?

[Al]

So the plan if we stay is effectively more of the same, as far as I can tell.

I think the government ministers who are pro-Brexit need to spell out what is the plan if we where to leave. Where exactly would the additional funds go, and in what quantities. Theres all sorts of talk about what could happen, but what is the plan. What exactly would our immigration policy be, not what could it be. Unless that is dictated as a choice, to me its a massive risk to vote for a possible picture of what may happen.

Whichever way you vote it is a question of what may happen because at the moment nobody really has a clue. It's just that out our destiny is in our own hands and not in Brussels hands.

[Al]

Looks like its a simple question then.....

In or out ?

who do you want to be ruled by .........Europe or America ?

If I had to choose it would be America. We have much more in common with the USA than most of Europe.

[yoda]

Looks like its a simple question then.....

In or out ?

who do you want to be ruled by .........Europe or America ?

Well when TTIP gets forced through by Brussels you will get both but corporate America will be the head honcho

[Al]

333,000 net immigration last year. It has to be STOPPED now.

[yoda]

https://www.facebook.com/UKIPTyldesley/videos/1787270108159593/

Worth watching JAL

and this one

https://www.facebook.com/UKIPTyldesley/videos/1737566439796627/

Merkel's face says it all

[JAL]

333,000 net immigration last year. It has to be STOPPED now.

There's me thinking we had a hands on government.

What are we paying the government for Al to meet in a hall and slag one another off ?

[yoda]

There's me thinking we had a hands on government.

What are we paying the government for Al to meet in a hall and slag one another off ?

How would the UK government control immigration JAL

[JAL]

https://www.facebook.com/UKIPTyldesley/videos/1787270108159593/

Worth watching JAL

and this one

https://www.facebook.com/UKIPTyldesley/videos/1737566439796627/

Merkel's face says it all

Powerful speech from Nigel Farage.

Are we coming out of Europe because we are financially weaker than the Germans ?