[Archived] Eu Referendum, In Or Out - Looks Like Blackburn Wants Out !

[yoda]

Penny finally starting to drop

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35706238

[onlyonetugay]

Watched Channel 4 news last night, I love getting my daily left wing propaganda from the likes of John Snow , Matt Frei and Krishnan Guru Murphy

They interviewed Rupert Harrison, CEO of Blackrock a multi trillion pound investment and financial services company . They were discussing a city report on the EU and specifically the dangers of leaving.

The Channel 4 interviewer drew Mr Harrison's attention to one of the dangers highlighted in the report referring to the belief in the city that if the UK voted out then this would lead to lower immigration , resulting in scarcer labour supply, thereby pushing up wages , which would then eat into corporate profits.

I've always believed that allowing an extra 2 million migrant workers, many low skilled, into the economy must have some effect on wages of the lowest paid. I guess the city agrees with me too

I accept that the left wing educated intelligentsia ( I know quite a few who live in Ribble Valley enclaves) who aren't affected by low pay or uncontrolled immigration might see it differently or conveniently ignore it. I'm amazed how Thatcherite they become over the EU, using a low pay ,prosperous economy as part of project fear.

However any left thinking socialist with a social conscience must vote out when the city starts talking in those terms

[Ribble Rover]

I can see this being a complete landslide and the outs being at around 80%. People want change

[Paul]

I can see this being a complete landslide and the outs being at around 80%. People want change

Can you expand on "people want change?" I'm really interested to understand how it is people feel voting out will have an immediate impact on their lives. We won't be voting for a government which can begin to make political changes and can make quick change in the country.

What positive change will leaving the EU make to an individual's life?

[Ribble Rover]

Wages will rise, immigration will be controlled, our ability to freely trade with India, China, USA and other strong economies, we won't be strangled by the slow flat economies of the knackered countries like Greece and others....Can't wait to get shut of them me.

[yoda]

You can't soar with the eagles if you have Turkey(s) flapping around you

[joey_big_nose]

Wages will rise, immigration will be controlled, our ability to freely trade with India, China, USA and other strong economies, we won't be strangled by the slow flat economies of the knackered countries like Greece and others....Can't wait to get shut of them me.

Sadly none of that is true.

No one wants to stay in the EU because they love the EU. Its a mess of lack of accountability, obscure governance and lack of clear executive direction and needs serious reform. However ultimately we will stay in the EU because on balance the economic risks are far less than leaving.

Ill bet a £100 right now we will stay in.

[yoda]

I'm asking you to prove your statement

The Guardian article is an analysis and opinion piece - you don't have to agree with it. But the facts on Schengen are clear.

Jim if this is the greatest country on earth as you say in your signature, how did we get to that position ? The EU certainly didn't make make it that way

[yoda]

Sadly none of that is true.

No one wants to stay in the EU because they love the EU. Its a mess of lack of accountability, obscure governance and lack of clear executive direction and needs serious reform. However ultimately we will stay in the EU because on balance the economic risks are far less than leaving.

Ill bet a £100 right now we will stay in.

Economic risk to who ? Corporate Bankers bonuses, big corporations, City parasites. We have a trade deficit of £29 billion with Germany alone, don't think the Germans would walk away from that do you.

The corporate sector bosses are work shy, they will have to start earning their corn if we leave and start negotiating trade deals with other countries.

All the fuss about having a place at the top table in the EU is willie waving and protecting an unelected body and elected MEP's who are more concerned about their expenses than rocking the boat.

The executive of the EU has a mandate to make rules and no accountability, they are unelected and get appointed by "committee"

The EU is broken and 28 countries will never collectively agree on how to fix it.

The UK taught the world how to trade, don't tell me we have forgot how to do it.

ps I don't know which way the vote will

[onlyonetugay]

You can't soar with the eagles if you have Turkey(s) flapping around you

Goodness me , imagine what it'll be like if they ever join . Having said that if we get another Tugay I won't complain !

[Paul]

Wages will rise, immigration will be controlled, our ability to freely trade with India, China, USA and other strong economies, we won't be strangled by the slow flat economies of the knackered countries like Greece and others....Can't wait to get shut of them me.

Hang on. You said people want change but mainly talk about trade which while it impacts an individual's life it's very indirect.

If wages rise production costs rise which will result in higher consumer prices and higher export prices. If EU subsidies to agriculture where to be removed either the UK government would have to provide those subsidies, let farmers go broke or allow food prices to rise.

Currently our trade with China, India, USA and other countries is protected from unfair competition from other EU members. If we exit the EU that goes.

Exiting from the EU will not reduce red tape. The EU rules will still exist and we will still have to comply with them if we want to trade in the EU.

I accept people want to leave the EU but to say it's because they want change and then discuss trade doesn't support the point.

[yoda]

A French president threatening Britain

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35712463

Laughable

[jim mk2]

I can see this being a complete landslide and the outs being at around 80%. People want change

This may well be the case. Voting for the status quo requires more effort than voting for change. I'd dispute that change is necessary but the Brexiteers will undoubtedly be out in force in June. I just hope there's fewer of them.

[Baz]

Since the move to individual voter registration, nearly 800,000 people are no longer registered to vote, and to re-register people have to provide 2 forms of ID. It's already had a bigger effect on the younger voter groupings, than those older generations. Given that the older you are, the more likely you are to vote for Brexit, this could tilt the scales.

Also I do think 16-18 year olds should be able to vote on this matter too, since it's going to affect their future far more than someone in their 80's, and many of them will be in the workplace, paying taxes too.

[yoda]

Since the move to individual voter registration, nearly 800,000 people are no longer registered to vote, and to re-register people have to provide 2 forms of ID. It's already had a bigger effect on the younger voter groupings, than those older generations. Given that the older you are, the more likely you are to vote for Brexit, this could tilt the scales.

Also I do think 16-18 year olds should be able to vote on this matter too, since it's going to affect their future far more than someone in their 80's, and many of them will be in the workplace, paying taxes too.

Is that really the case, be interesting to know why, older wiser maybe

[Baz]

Is that really the case, be interesting to know why, older wiser maybe

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mr-personality/201410/why-are-older-people-more-conservative

Slower in thought and more likely to jump to conclusions...... That doesn't half sound like a lot of people on here (on both sides)

[jim mk2]

Younger generation more open minded and internationalist; older generation more closed minded and Little Englander. There are exceptions of course.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Back to the insults eh. You'd have thought by now that the left would realise insulting people doesn't work half as well at changing their mind as you must think. Oh I'm sure the bullying/harassing tactics can scare the more weak-minded off their view, but I think the last election showed it simply hardens the opinions of the strong-minded. Which person with any self respect wants to agree with a group that can't resist calling them thick at every turn.

[Baz]

Back to the insults eh. You'd have thought by now that the left would realise insulting people doesn't work half as well at changing their mind as you must think. Oh I'm sure the bullying/harassing tactics can scare the more weak-minded off their view, but I think the last election showed it simply hardens the opinions of the strong-minded. Which person with any self respect wants to agree with a group that can't resist calling them thick at every turn.

I don't think you would figure on any demographic the left was targeting, to be fair.

As for insults, both sides are not blameless on this thread, if you review both without bias.

[Mike E]

Is that really the case, be interesting to know why, older wiser maybe

Probably 'I voted for the Common Market, not the EU'.

[K-Hod]

Both sides are as bad as each other for the insults in fairness.

[Mike E]

Both sides are as bad as each other for the insults in fairness.

You would say that, you bloody doughnut

[K-Hod]

No need to be rude! I hadn't spotted I'd also duplicated Baz's post 🙈

[ABBEY]

Younger generation more open minded and internationalist; older generation more closed minded and Little Englander. There are exceptions of course.

Bit like you with aussies and the USA then.

Heard something on the radio about if we stay in then the British army is going to be no more ,just a Euro one? not seen anything in black / white mind.

[onlyonetugay]

Younger generation more open minded and internationalist; older generation more closed minded and Little Englander. There are exceptions of course.

Prejudice , discrimination and bigotry . In addition to that he continues to use the term " little englander " but hasn't a clue what it means