[Archived] Eu Referendum, In Or Out - Looks Like Blackburn Wants Out !

[Paul]

I now need a drink!!! Wine 15% cheaper if we leave

Armorik tonight.

[T J Hooker]

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[yoda]

No I didn't watch it but I've been very aware of TTIP for a long time. I think it was Glenn who first made me aware of it.

As for Obama I'm sure it was self interest or he was lent on. I do though genuinely feel the benefits for the general UK population, the working man if you like, are there to be seen. It's just a question of whether or not people are prepared to recognise this.

Rivers and seas ABBEY not tap water.

Quite a few rivers in rural France are polluted, it used to be the case that they used more pesticides per hectacre than any other EU country

[T J Hooker]

The point is a Leave vote could likely lead to the break up of the United Kingdom, and reopen the Irish question after nearly 20 years of peace. If you want to take that risk vote Leave.

will do, love a bit of chaos me

Seems like its mainly the middle classes wanting to keep things as they are because they cant bare the thought of something slightly rocking their comfortable little lives.

[yoda]

Armorik tonight.

Don't touch the stuff myself, much prefer Tempranillo or Bourgogne, better for the liver

[Paul]

That is fair enough Paul, I actually believe that remain will win but not because it is better , but because of a fear of the unknown. Which unfortunately applies to the EU if people do their homework but exit is easily seen as an unknown.

My proxy vote has already gone in and I have seen nothing that has made me regret my decision.

I just hope that it is very close as that may give Britain a stronger negotiating base because the last thing Germany , France and Italy want is Britain out for their own reasons and the same can be said for the Eastern Europe countries who see Britain as a closer ally than the other three.

I'm taking it you voted Leave and think Remain will win. I'm voting Remain but I think Leave will win!!!!!

Your second paragraph is possibly the better outcome. Stay in by a slim margin to increase the UK's influence and encourage UK governments to work much harder for trade deals outside of the EU.

[yoda]

I'm taking it you voted Leave and think Remain will win. I'm voting Remain but I think Leave will win!!!!!

Your second paragraph is possibly the better outcome. Stay in by a slim margin to increase the UK's influence and encourage UK governments to work much harder for trade deals outside of the EU.

You have surprised me there Paul, I think it is going to be very close.

My biggest worry is staying in with a slim or any margin and loosing influence in the EU, in reality Cameron has negotiated nothing

[Paul]

You have surprised me there Paul, I think it is going to be very close.

My biggest worry is staying in with a slim or any margin and loosing influence in the EU, in reality Cameron has negotiated nothing

Surprised I think Leave will win I take it? If Remain win I think the Scottish and NI vote will swing it and Wales I guess.

You're right Cameron negotiated sweet FA. My biggest worry is we will see a stock market collapse, a run on £sterling and recession.

The stock market and sterling will happen through the self-interest of the traders who spend their days gambling with your future and mine!

[perthblue02]

I'm taking it you voted Leave and think Remain will win. I'm voting Remain but I think Leave will win!!!!!

Your second paragraph is possibly the better outcome. Stay in by a slim margin to increase the UK's influence and encourage UK governments to work much harder for trade deals outside of the EU.

Yes you are right regarding voting, I think both campaigns have been very poor on the whole and none have really got any points across to change anybody's mind or encourage them to vote either way, that is my thinking regarding my fear of the unknown comment.

Maybe that is because of the poor standard of politicians heading both campaigns, which itself is a worry.

Must admit Dave B's post earlier resonated with me and I was saying the same to the Mrs the other day, living outside the UK has certainly changed my perspective on a few things (although getting older may be something to do with it as well), whilst still having a perspective on the street in the UK via talking to family back home etc.

The strongest opinion (family wise) on the EU was surprisingly from my Parents (Pensioners ,never very political nearly always vote Labour etc) and no matter how wrong that I think what they are basing their vote on one particular thing, they are adamant that they were conned last time by what they were told they were voting for in the 70's and wont be conned again. I do wonder how many of their generation feel the same and will use that as the main influence.

They also live in an area with an high number of high Asian households and my Dad was telling me the other day that his neighbours who he has spoken to recently ( Asian) regarding the vote, their problem is with migration as there are quite a few of private rented / social housing in that area and it has experienced a large influx of EU migrants.

So lots of variables at play in different parts of the country so will be very interesting to see which parts vote what.

[yoda]

Surprised I think Leave will win I take it? If Remain win I think the Scottish and NI vote will swing it and Wales I guess. Yep

You're right Cameron negotiated sweet FA. My biggest worry is we will see a stock market collapse, a run on £sterling and recession. Sterling is strong so I think it will be a very short lived event

The stock market and sterling will happen through the self-interest of the traders who spend their days gambling with your future and mine! They do that anyway

[Paul]

Yes you are right regarding voting, I think both campaigns have been very poor on the whole and none have really got any points across to change anybody's mind or encourage them to vote either way, that is my thinking regarding my fear of the unknown comment.

Maybe that is because of the poor standard of politicians heading both campaigns, which itself is a worry.

True. No one has put up a good argument in either direction which is why my vote is based on my working life experience and the things I observe or read about day to day - not as part of the debate. See my list for Stuart. One only has to read a quality newspaper to know all those points are genuine results of EU membership.

[Stuart]

True. No one has put up a good argument in either direction which is why my vote is based on my working life experience and the things I observe or read about day to day - not as part of the debate. See my list for Stuart. One only has to read a quality newspaper to know all those points are genuine results of EU membership.

Odd jibe.

Have you read the Spectator link I posted?

[Baz]

Itll be tight, and I can see leave edging it, but if they lose by a narrow margin I think that they will regret a few of the untruths they have been using (like the 350m) - left an easy opening for remain - if they'd gone for a more conservative 190m/week that is still a compelling argument, and would have needed a more concise response.

Too much project fear from both sides if you ask me, not enough facts.

[only2garners]

Rivers and seas ABBEY not tap water.

Rivers, seas, lakes and tap water Paul. Given I worked in the water industry I know that water quality across the board would not have been as high as it is without the implementation of the various EU directives on water quality.

[Paul]

Odd jibe.

Have you read the Spectator link I posted?

"Odd jibe" a touch over sensitive Stuart for a recognised collective term for a number of newspapers which used to be known as broadsheets. There is less likelihood of finding the detail in a tabloid because of the more sensational approach that section of the press takes to the news.

No I didn't read the Spectator piece. I just quickly scrolled back a couple of days and can't see anything on my phone.

[Paul]

Rivers, seas, lakes and tap water Paul. Given I worked in the water industry I know that water quality across the board would not have been as high as it is without the implementation of the various EU directives on water quality.

I didn't know about tap water and was largely thinking about environmental and pollution issues.

I can vaguely recall buying water decades ago for this reason but was it widespread? Presumably not the case in countries like the UK, Germany, Holland but in Greece etc?

[philipl]

https://next.ft.com/content/0260242c-370b-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7?ftcamp=crm/email//nbe/BrusselsBrief/product

Plenty of facts laid out in graphs.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Maybe leave's big genius plan is to crash the economy so badly that it puts off migrants from coming here, see we managed to get migration down!

Boris has come out today saying if we go into a recession after a leave vote he will publicly apologize, why how nice of him.

[T J Hooker]

if the stay brigade are so into being in the EU then how about we stop being in it in such an half arsed way and go all in, starting by changing our currency to the euro.

[ABBEY]

if thw stay brigade are so into being in the EU then how about we stoppung being in it in such an half arsed way and go all in, starting by changing our currency to the euro.

And you said I posted drunk the other night ..looks like you still are.

[T J Hooker]

And you said I posted drunk the other night ..looks like you still are.

im sorry that your brains not good enough to decipher a couple of typos.

[Stuart]

"Odd jibe" a touch over sensitive Stuart for a recognised collective term for a number of newspapers which used to be known as broadsheets. There is less likelihood of finding the detail in a tabloid because of the more sensational approach that section of the press takes to the news.

No I didn't read the Spectator piece. I just quickly scrolled back a couple of days and can't see anything on my phone.

Given you use the term 'tabloid' to distinguish further, you perhaps could have used its companion 'broadsheet' but yes it could be a sensitivity thing. 'Quality' is very subjective, and serves to dismiss a journalist who didn't graduate from Oxbridge as lacking.

Anywho... this was the link - from a 'quality' publication.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/out-and-into-the-world-why-the-spectator-is-for-leave/

I'll let you know when the Beano states its position.

[gumboots]

Lord snooty would be remain or leave depending whether he likes Boris or not and the bash street kids leave if stereotypes are to be believed. (Or were they the Dandy?) Most others undecided

[JAL]

The way I see it with David Cameron is that he brokered the deal on behalf of Europe for the Americans to stitch up the whole of Europe through the Trans Atlantic trade agreement then gave us Britain the chance to exit by calling the referendum on EU membership.

Do you want the Americans to influence our policies ?

Was it the Americans who pulled £65 billion from our financial markets most recently ?

[perthblue02]

The way I see it with David Cameron is that he brokered the deal on behalf of Europe for the Americans to stitch up the whole of Europe through the Trans Atlantic trade agreement then gave us Britain the chance to exit by calling the referendum on EU membership.

Do you want the Americans to influence our policies ?

Was it the Americans who pulled £65 billion from our financial markets most recently ?

Well they haven't finalised it yet, but I am sure the EU will accept most of what Big Corp America wants then the fun will start, no doubt some of the EU decision makers will be looking forward to taking places on the boards of the companies benefiting from it. Think you are giving the lefts new pin up boy Cameron undeserved credit, he could not negotiate his way out of a paper bag as we will see if he survives .

Think this thread is going to be very interesting for the next couple of years at least