[Archived] Eu Referendum, In Or Out - Looks Like Blackburn Wants Out !

[gumboots]

My son's not planning to come back, but he's not a failure. He has married a Korean girl and has a decent job and just likes lots of things about the lifestyle there. My daughters not planning to come back because her kids live there and she has a business out there. Wouldn't say she's a failure either. She's got a degree from a good uni out there and got it in less time than it takes your average German to get a degree. Quite an achievement when she's done it in a foreign language. She and her husband have just built 2 houses, one for the business and one to live in. She's taught herself to do book keeping so she can do all the business accounts. Hardly a failure. Oh and her German is so fluent that the Germans no longer know she's not German and she runs the PTA at her daughters kindergarten.

[Al]

My son's not planning to come back, but he's not a failure. He has married a Korean girl and has a decent job and just likes lots of things about the lifestyle there. My daughters not planning to come back because her kids live there and she has a business out here. Wouldn't say she's a failure either

I thought your daughter commentated on football. Am I mistaken?

[dave birch]

If my life has been a failure, I'll take it every time.

Golf two days a week, overseas holidays every year, not having to save to buy.

What a hoot you are John.

[gumboots]

I thought your daughter commentated on football. Am I mistaken?

wrong daughter. I have 2 daughters and 2 sons. The younger one does report on football matches although she's on maternity leave at the moment.

[K-Hod]

But then he steps into the "unknown" and realises it was not just a cliff but a deep dark chasm which has no bottom. And he realises that he should have listened to the advice.

A lowish turnout or a very high turnout would be better for Leave according to a piece I read today whereas somewhere in the middle would be better for Remain. I'm not sure how that works but pollsters have their ways.

It's comical reading about people who have left the country and said they would never come back. My old schoolteacher had a word for them = failures.

Your old schoolteacher was very wrong. It must be great to live in another country and experience a different way of life! I'd have no hesitation doing so.

[T J Hooker]

If my life has been a failure, I'll take it every time.

Golf two days a week, overseas holidays every year, not having to save to buy.

What a hoot you are John.

golf! eeeww

[dave birch]

golf! pffft...sport of keaners(no offence)

TJ, I took up golf at about 64 years of age.

That was after I stopped playing football at 60.

My mrs didn't object, thinking I needed the exercise. Then there was the 19th!!!,

TJ, always look for the way out

[Al]

wrong daughter. I have 2 daughters and 2 sons. The younger one does report on football matches although she's on maternity leave at the moment.

Congratulations then Granny Gumboots.

[T J Hooker]

TJ, I took up golf at about 64 years of age.

That was after I stopped playing football at 60.

My mrs didn't object, thinking I needed the exercise. Then there was the 19th!!!,

TJ, always look for the way out

you could have taken up walking around supermarkets on the weekends just to get in the way, that seems to be a popular sport amongst retirees 😜

[jim mk2]

Your old schoolteacher was very wrong. It must be great to live in another country and experience a different way of life! I'd have no hesitation doing so.

Agreed. But then to debunk your own country and blame it for your own failures - not on.

[dave birch]

you could have taken up walking around supermarkets on the weekends just to get in the way, that seems to be a popular sport amongst retirees

TJ, that's "her" job.

If I'd do it I'd be hitting others with the trolly, and telling them to get on with it

[dave birch]

But back to the "vote"

People, vote the way you want the country to go.

Vote for what you want your country to be.

Vote for what you want your country to offer your family

Vote for what you believe the options the direction your choice will give.

But the most compelling thing for you to do is VOTE.

Do not sit on your backside and say "I can't be bothered".

[perthblue02]

TTIP here's a quick run down from the Independent

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html

and more reading from War on Want and others

http://waronwant.org/what-ttip

https://stop-ttip.org/what-is-the-problem-ttip-ceta/faqs/

Got to wonder why this was not at the forefront of any debate about the Democratic? EU

[jim mk2]

Back to the referendum (as it affects those of us who love living in this country) - stock market and currency is firm today as investors bet on a Remain victory.

The FTSE could fall below 5,000 in the event of Brexit according to brokers while Osborne has even talked of suspending trading on Friday if the vote goes Out.

[dave birch]

Perth, exactly the same as the TPTP over the pacific.

It's wrong wrong and wrong, it gives conglomerates world wide the upper hand and subjugates national sovereignty.

I might add pushed through by a right wing government aided by a weak opposition

[jim mk2]

Cameron said today he had "no regrets" over calling the poll but I wonder if come Friday he will regret it after a Leave vote and his party calls on him to resign. Can anyone see him surviving an Out vote ?

[perthblue02]

Back to the referendum (as it affects those of us who love living in this country) - stock market and currency is firm today as investors bet on a Remain victory.

The FTSE could fall below 5,000 in the event of Brexit according to brokers while Osborne has even talked of suspending trading on Friday if the vote goes Out.

What a little Englander attitude (often used by yourself) it also affects those of us who are still British citizens (ok UK citizens) who are currently working and living abroad some who still contribute to the British coffers, and as you do not know the circumstances of those people on why they work and live abroad ,or their futures on a return to the UK, that comment is wrong.

Cameron said today he had "no regrets" over calling the poll but I wonder if come Friday he will regret it after a Leave vote and his party calls on him to resign. Can anyone see him surviving an Out vote ?

I think he will still be under pressure even if Remain wins, same with Corbyn to a lesser extent but many not happy he has chosen to be honest in his opinions on some aspects of EU

[dave birch]

The funny thing is Perth, if the vote is that close, those that voted in Australia may well be the clincher in the outcome, whatever way

[perthblue02]

The funny thing is Perth, if the vote is that close, those that voted in Australia may well be the clincher in the outcome, whatever way

Yes same applies to all those Brits in other countries as well that apparently don't love living in Britain currently

Phone in on a Perth radio station today on the EU referendum would suggest ex-pat views are of a similar spilt, whether that translates into votes is a different matter but out of those calling it sounds like at least 60% have actually voted.

[dave birch]

Yes same applies to all those Brits in other countries as well that apparently don't love living in Britain currently

Phone in on a Perth radio station today on the EU referendum would suggest ex-pat views are of a similar spilt, whether that translates into votes is a different matter but out of those calling it sounds like at least 60% have actually voted.

There was a similar article on ABC online about expats in Perth, but they thought that the "IN" vote was in the majority.

The other thing that I thought was strange was something about Commonwealth visitors (backpacker and the like) who were living in the UK on a longer term visa were allowed to vote.

Not sure totally about that.

[perthblue02]

There was a similar article on ABC online about expats in Perth, but they thought that the "IN" vote was in the majority.

The other thing that I thought was strange was something about Commonwealth visitors (backpacker and the like) who were living in the UK on a longer term visa were allowed to vote.

Not sure totally about that.

According to this they have to be classed as residents

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/649517/EU-referendum-2016-Voting-Voters-Allowed-British-Irish-Commonwealth-Citizens-European

[den]

Cameron said today he had "no regrets" over calling the poll but I wonder if come Friday he will regret it after a Leave vote and his party calls on him to resign. Can anyone see him surviving an Out vote ?

No.

For me, the whole leave campaign is based on one thing - prejudice. It's based on immigration. The economic argument for leave just isn't there. The best argument for leaving seems to be some kind of assurance that "we'll be OK". I really don't see how walking away from a huge trading market that allows tariff free trade, with no guarantees whatsoever of what will replace it, is wise. We currently trade freely inside the EU and outside it. So, for me, the economic argument just doesn't stack up.

We do need control on immigration numbers for sure, every country does. We do have control over immigration from outside the EU, but have chosen not to restrict those numbers, but why? Could it possibly be that the non EU immigration is actually beneficial to us? I think so. Why would it make sense to restrict EU immigration, but not non EU immigration? If immigration is already too high, then we would surely have restricted the non EU numbers no matter what jobs they're coming to do.

Leaving the EU in order to restrict immigration numbers, when we can do now but don't, while at the same time having to pay tariffs on any trade with EU countries doesn't stack up.

This all stems from differences within the Tory party where the hard right want total control back over immigration, business, human rights and workers rights. It hasn't come from anywhere else.

I think this is only my second post on here. My first post was to say that this vote shouldn't be happening. The vast majority of people don't have enough solid information to make real judgements. They'll be voting mainly on a hunch, the odd fact maybe, but a lot of people in this country, like it or not, simply don't like foreigners coming over here to live. These are the people that the leave camp have targeted throughout.

[JAL]

How much fear is there behind the remain campaign MP's after the billions that were pulled out of our financial markets this year alone on the back of suggested exit polls ?

[perthblue02]

Leaving the EU in order to restrict immigration numbers, when we can do now but don't, while at the same time having to pay tariffs on any trade with EU countries doesn't stack up.

That is not totally true. IF somebody from the EU has a valid passport and the correct paper work, unless there is a reason of security, they can not be refused entry, so there is limited control on numbers from the EU compared to the control from non -EU countries

https://fullfact.org/europe/immigration-eu-referendum/

Both EU and NON EU migration would have to reduce to hit the Governments targets

https://fullfact.org/immigration/governments-immigration-target-does-eu-immigration-matter/

[jim mk2]

No.

For me, the whole leave campaign is based on one thing - prejudice. It's based on immigration. The economic argument for leave just isn't there.

This all stems from differences within the Tory party where the hard right want total control back over immigration, business, human rights and workers rights. It hasn't come from anywhere else.

I think this is only my second post on here. My first post was to say that this vote shouldn't be happening.

The vote has nothing to do with the future of this country in Cameron's eyes.

Cameron called the vote for 2 reasons . The first was to try to lure Ukip voters over to the Tories before the last election and the second was to try to unite the Tory party because the Europe issue was threatening to divide it in the same way as in the 1990s under Major.

Cameron deserves to fall on his own sword whichever way the vote goes. A Brexit vote and his position will be untenable and a Remain vote will see the right wing wing of the party (which is furious with him anyway for backing In) will force him out.

Then we can all look forward to Gove or Johnson in power.

For those who follow the money, the bookies say the odds are shortening on Remain.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-bookies-have-always-made-a-remain-vote-favourite-and-the-odds-continue-to-shorten-a7093971.html