[Archived] Eu Referendum, In Or Out - Looks Like Blackburn Wants Out !

[Mike E]

Ipswich blue and Norwich yellow...

Where are the postal votes. If you live in blackburn and vote by post is that vote included in the blackburn number? Or is there a central pot?

I believe postal votes are included in each county's...erm...count.

[pg]

So what was the point of fighting two European wars if you let Germany rule Europe after all?

[chor808]

Thanks Mike. Its still to close to call but chorley is out.

[gumboots]

Sorry. Wrote didnt post then did but it didnt make sense at this point

[perthblue02]

Blackburn With Darwen -56.3% Leave 43.7% Remain

[dave birch]

Whatever happens from here, this is going to have major ramifications throughout Europe.

There'll be many groups wanting their say now.

[Baz]

Looks like a Brexit win. Those votes going for remain are close, those for leave seemingly bigger margins.

Scotland voting for Remain - we could be seeing the break up of the union too.

[dave birch]

Baz, There may not be anywhere for Scotland to go.

This could be the beginning of the end of the EU as it is now.

[perthblue02]

All Local NW results in and updated

http://www.brfcc.com/mb/index.php/topic/30978-eu-referendum-in-or-out-looks-like-blackburn-wants-out/?p=1665083

[SouthAussieRover]

Wow.

Theres going to be some interesting times ahead.

[Paul]

BBC now forecasting a 52% to 48% Leave win. Stating it is now impossible for Remain to turn it round.

The £ has dropped by 10% to below 1985 levels. Worse than 2008 crisis. Euro falling against the dollar.

BBC saying the banks may need financial support today.

I'm feeling very depressed by this and have a horrible feeling we really are going to see the predicted financial crisis resulting from vote leave.

[dave birch]

Paul, I can understand your apprehension, however, things will even out, they always do.

My stocks have taken a hit today. The only thing I'm concerned about is a lack of my free cash to get in there and buy with.

This has come at the end of our financial year so most of our business cash is heading into superannuation accounts and government coffers.

[T J Hooker]

It will be worth it in the long run, last time we went into recession it was due to disgusting immoral behaviour by the bankers, if it happens again at least it will be for positive reasons.

Its up to British business and workers now to get their @#/? together and graft like never before to get our country back competing in the worlds economy.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

This is possibly life changing....so much uncertainty now as the value of the pound plummets as I write.

If matters do start to go wrong I hope we have a plan B.

[Paul]

Dave I'm not apprehensive. I think this is a catastrophe. The Nikkei is down 7%, the £ 10% down, the Bank of England already talking of having to support our banks again, comment on the BBC suggests FTSE will open 8% down and it may have to close today.

£ dropped from 1.35 to 1.33 in the time it took to write this.

[dave birch]

Perhaps, Paul, you should look the the very people that engineered this situation.

Not for the referendum, but the process that led to it.

I read that some British MPs are "shocked" at the result. I don't know why, If they can't read the mood of their own electorates, then they are not doing their jobs, are they.

I note also that Chorley voted to leave. If it grates that much with you, I'd be chewing your local MPs ear if I were you

[Steve Moss]

Would be typically English..

And American. I thought then, and think now, that people like Obama going over and telling the English what to do was a bone-headed move.

People care about immigration! Does that have to be nailed to the fat heads of the Labour political elite and lefty media before they acknowledge it's the case? It's practically comical hearing the BBC coverage team scrabble for alternatives such as "people are angry with their lives" and other patronising rubbish.

I can only assume there is no stomach or backbone amongst the political left for confronting the admittedly thorny issue of immigration and so there will be a continuing hemorraging of voters, particularly in the north of England. So it's a case of pretend it isn't real and maybe eventually it won't be.

I think immigration is a huge issue both in the UK and the USA, for similar reasons, Too many are coming too quickly.

I don't think many have a problem with immigration if the immigrants are coming into the country with a genuine desire to be English (or American) and are capable of being productive citizens. The problem arises when we import third world thugs who turn their neighborhoods into third world enclaves. Add in the problem that many working immigrants drive down wages at the lower end means that they are lowering the standard of living for many native citizens. Our lords and masters in both parties have to figure out that their job is to support and provide opportunities for working class citizens, not corporate fat cats or layabouts (whether native or immigrant).

[Paul]

I agree with you on that Dave. From the very beginning I was commenting the referendum pledge was about Cameron's efforts to win the last election

Consequently he and the Tory party have to take responsibility for that action. The Labour party need to acknowledge its own failure to persuade people to vote Remain.

My feeling now is our politicians of all colours have failed the country. We elect these people to lead, to make the big decisions on our behalf and represent our best interests. Something which, in my opinion, they have failed to do with a disastrous result.

[pg]

I presume Keynes would be spinning in his grave.

Baz, There may not be anywhere for Scotland to go.

This could be the beginning of the end of the EU as it is now.

I still think that many countries (especially the smaller ones) would prefer to hitch their wagon to Germany than go it alone. While some aspects of the EU may change I can't see a complete disintegration. I think most Europeans realise that things have been pretty good for a while and the spectre of the 19th and 20th century wars is still rather compelling I would think.

[dave birch]

It should be remembered that this is also an indication of how a significant number (I won't say a majority, but it's pretty close to it) view the EU.

If the numbers stack up in other member countries, then there's going to be a lot more to come.

Whilst I can understand the EU as a trading block, a political union should never have been on the cards. I'd say that most politicians in many member states have vastly underestimated the feeling within their borders, and would be feeling very worried, as should the many bureaucrats in Brussels.

It's going to take some unwinding, but if that's what the people of Europe want, then it will happen.

[pg]

I think people would wait and see how England copes before voting to leave themselves.

[dave birch]

I presume Keynes would be spinning in his grave.

I still think that many countries (especially the smaller ones) would prefer to hitch their wagon to Germany than go it alone. While some aspects of the EU may change I can't see a complete disintegration. I think most Europeans realise that things have been pretty good for a while and the spectre of the 19th and 20th century wars is still rather compelling I would think.

Paul, there is that aspect to it, but that assumes that the German people want them to.

Having said that, To me, one of the biggest problems for the EU was accepting states where the economies were "iffy" at best. That , in itself drags down the countries with effective stable economies.

We'll see how Frau Merkel goes in her next election

[Stuart]

British people have voted against politics in this country, and their inability to demonstrate that they have the abilities to play hardball with the EU rule makers.

I expect there to be lots of complaints and blaming and challenges. Sturgeon will surely not abide be the democratic process of the UK and will be in her element. This is a great result for her and her party, make no mistake. There is also a clear disassociation between London and the rest of the UK - as has been known for a long time.

There will be a lot of bitter rhetoric in the coming days and weeks but it's now Europe's move. Germany will have to carry the EU on it's back alone.

A further round of negotiations could now be likely from Juncker and co as they try to make the sums add up.

Whether we like it or not, this is a big @#/? you to the EUrocrats, the bankers and those calling Leave voters racists.

Ultimately, this campaign has been ugly and true leaders will need to emerge from this vote.

[pg]

Paul, there is that aspect to it, but that assumes that the German people want them to.

Having said that, To me, one of the biggest problems for the EU was accepting states where the economies were "iffy" at best. That , in itself drags down the countries with effective stable economies.

We'll see how Frau Merkel goes in her next election

Well Greece should never have been admitted according to the EU criteria. But their govt. (along with Goldman Sachs) cooked the books.

Having said that the ECB policies haven't helped. I'm waiting for Yanis Varoufakis to have his 2 cents.

[Stuart]

I must have missed the boxes on the voting form where those criteria were to be applied.

Made up nonsense.