[Archived] Eu Referendum, In Or Out - Looks Like Blackburn Wants Out !

[ABBEY]

350m "mistake" of the leave campaign within 2 hours of result.

Do you know how many millions of people voted out based on this money being invested?

do you ? nah didnt think so.

[Gav]

350m "mistake" of the leave campaign within 2 hours of result.

Do you know how many millions of people voted out based on this money being invested?

David Cameron was elected on a promise to reduce immigration to "The 10's of thousands" that was a lie and never possible whilst in EU, he was elected twice on that promise?

Engage brain, do some research

[jim mk2]

Serious question Jim, are you in favour of compulsory voting, with fines for not voting? then there can be no questions of results.

Absolutely not. People should vote but there shouldn't be forced to do anything (apart from pay taxes). I feel sorry for anyone who lives in a country where they are forced to vote.

[T J Hooker]

this petition to get a 2nd referendum surely must be the all time prime example of poor losers, you couldnt even have another fair vote now, with all the constant ultra pessamistic media coverage and further scaremongering thats been going on since the result, voters that wanted to leave the first time would now be scared into voting remain now, then when remain win and the stay voters protest they would be completely ignored,

Though tbh i do think there should have been a ruling before the vote that the winner had to win by at least 5% otherwise a re vote at a later date would be needed, but for whatever reason there was no such rule and its to late now.

[jim mk2]

We will be able to decide to agree to what is right for Britain without being dictated to by the EU.

The fact someone still believes this sort of stuff is depressing.

[JBiz]

do you ? nah didnt think so.

I saw many who voted based on control of immigration and Boris and Paul Hannan made quotes said this would likely not change post brexit.

David Cameron was elected on a promise to reduce immigration to "The 10's of thousands" that was a lie and never possible whilst in EU, he was elected twice on that promise?

Engage brain, do some research

I've never voted for him, and never will. Nor would I be swayed by promises on immigration, when my priority is the decimated education, police, NHS and other services.

I voted remain based on a lack of solid plan or obvious pro over con - not on the promises of those proven liars on either side.

[MCMC1875]

The forgotten people of northern England (both Labour and Tory former manufacturing towns/cities) saw a chance to make a vote count and they did, for example Hartlepool 80% out.

Message to the establishment: listen to the people.

That's democracy at its best.

[Gav]

I voted remain based on a lack of solid plan or obvious pro over con - not on the promises of those proven liars on either side.

You backed the wrong horse, you're not alone, best to see how things play out I'd say, whats done is done now, democracy has been served and despite all the middle aged Guardian readers being outraged its not going to change.

[jim mk2]

Following on from the possible Ford job losses and Ryanair cancelling British investment plans yesterday, many of the world's leading banks today announced plans to relocate key staff from London to European financial centres. As many as 60,000 jobs could be at risk.

Oh, and before Thursday we had the 5th largest economy in the world. Thanks to the Moody's downgrade and slump in sterling we've now been overtaken by France (a sclerotic failed state according to Leavers).

So to sum up, thanks to Brexit, we now have a political crisis, an impending constituiiional crisis and down the road a likely economic crisis as the country haemorrages jobs and investment.

[ABBEY]

never thought jim would defend cameron

[jim mk2]

The forgotten people of northern England (both Labour and Tory former manufacturing towns/cities) saw a chance to make a vote count and they did, for example Hartlepool 80% out.

Message to the establishment: learn the lesson.

If that is the case why did they vote for the "establishment" party last May ?

never thought jim would defend cameron

Where have I defended Cameron ? if you look back I've blamed him for this whole mess.

[Amo]

We're still one of the largest economies in the world, Jim. Europe needs us as much as we need them. Stop peddling this scaremongering nonsense.

[JBiz]

You backed the wrong horse, you're not alone, best to see how things play out I'd say, whats done is done now, democracy has been served and despite all the middle aged Guardian readers being outraged its not going to change.

No answer to the points. I agree, what's happened has happened- doesn't mean people cannot and shouldn't pick the bones.

The power vacuum that this political game has caused will only spell immediate uncertainty. With no obvious candidate to lead us out of Europe, I'd expect voters of both views to be worried about the implications of this.

Positives could come, I have severe doubts.

[T J Hooker]

that's right, tbh i was surprised we are even one of the top ten countries nevermind top 5

[perthblue02]

Article regarding William Oliver Healey who started the petition , a bit of a twist in the story if it is correct

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683410/EXCLUSIVE-The-VOTE-LEAVE-backer-whose-petition-could-inadvertently-derail-the-Brexit

Missing Postal votes

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-disenfranchised-expats-denied-eu-referendum-missing-postal-votes-demand-re-run-hundreds-a7103066.html

[ABBEY]

If that is the case why did they vote for the "establishment" party last May ?

Where have I defended Cameron ? if you look back I've blamed him for this whole mess.

sorry...ok then whinging at people for not voting for what cameron wanted

[jim mk2]

sorry...ok then whinging at people for not voting for what cameron wanted

I'm pointing out the consequences of the vote. You'll have to get used to it because the repercussions are going to be nasty and will continue for years.

[Gav]

No answer to the points. I agree, what's happened has happened- doesn't mean people cannot and shouldn't pick the bones.

The power vacuum that this political game has caused will only spell immediate uncertainty. With no obvious candidate to lead us out of Europe, I'd expect voters of both views to be worried about the implications of this.

Positives could come, I have severe doubts.

I'm not here to answer your points, you're not that important Joe

But here to debate the EU and only came in at the last minute, missed 80 pages thankfully!

[oldjamfan1]

Imagine the scenario.

New owners take over a football club on the promise that they will fund the club to the tune of lets say 50 million quid per season, and no longer will any rubbish footballers be allowed anywhere near their football club.

The very next day they turn round and say they were wrong about the 50 million quid, they couldn't afford it after all, and by the way, just as many rubbish footballers will make their way into the football club as did before they took over.

What would you all think then? Some of you are the most vocal "Venkys Out" protagonists but even they waited more than a day to renege on their promises.

Democracy being served is all well and good, but when people have been lied to and conned as blatantly as the UK electorate was by the main two promises of the Leave campaign (immigration control and a weekly bill of 350 million which they would use for the NHS instead of spunking it on the EU) then wondering whether there is any way of fighting against that is perfectly understandable.

[ultrablue]

We're still one of the largest economies in the world, Jim. Europe needs us as much as we need them. Stop peddling this scaremongering nonsense.

Scaremongering? Get your head out of the sand, it's happening. The UK's economy has taken a self inflicted hit.

[Amo]

Scaremongering? Get your head out of the sand, it's happening. The UK's economy has taken a self inflicted hit.

If you honestly think the sky is falling you need your bumps felt.

[ultrablue]

Simple facts - pound has taken a huge hit, credit outlook has been downgraded, cost of borrowing up, Scotland with fresh confidence to go it alone, a broken ruling party with no credible opposition in parliament... no you're right, nothing to see here. Lwt's get back to talkijg about shooting gorillas.

[T J Hooker]

I'm pointing out the consequences of the vote. You'll have to get used to it because the repercussions are going to be nasty and will continue for years.

oh yea because our economy has been so great in the past 10 years, and with the disgusting 'austerity' cuts the torys have been making the next ten were not looking to good either(and lets not forget which awful party let the countries finances get in such a mess in the first place )

[Gav]

Simple facts - pound has taken a huge hit, credit outlook has been downgraded, cost of borrowing up, Scotland with fresh confidence to go it alone, a broken ruling party with no credible opposition in parliament... no you're right, nothing to see here. Lwt's get back to talkijg about shooting gorillas.

Its early days, signing petitions and having a thrombosis isn't going to change the result ultra.

Lets see how this plays out.

[MCMC1875]

If that is the case why did they vote for the "establishment" party last May ?

Don't believe they did jim. People saw that the 'Northern Powerhouse' was a load of tripe but their votes didn't count in safe Labour or Tory seats. People saw this as a chance where every vote counted and so they came out.