[Archived] Rovers V Huddersfield Town - 16Th April 2016 At 3Pm

[Waggy76]

We are at the crossroads the last time we appointed a decent manager in the championship was souness you could see he had a plan for the following season and the players bought into it.

Unfortunately this shower are not buying into PLs plan or he ain't got one.

Were is the next win coming from.

Thats true about Souness but there was real talent at the club in those days...Dunn, Duff, Jansen etc ....Theres very little or no talent left , today....

[Beta Ray Bill]

They looked organised! Like team with a plan. Gomez, grimes and Bennett looked all out of place in their positions in the first half. Sprinkle in some mistakes and coat with a distinct lack of effort from at least 5 of the team and that's the difference.

We can be organised with these players whether some think we can do better or not. A simple formation built to hold shape and press the ball can be achieved, starting with a 4132 needs specialists - Darragh is still learning, Grimes is no wide player, Bennett is inconsistent and never explosive, Gomez is better served off the front man IMO.

Yesterday almost made me yearn for us to go back to basics completely, pack the midfield a bit and play 451. It wouldn't make a difference if the squad aren't motivated though.

Yep that was I was saying. As Vinjay noted, this wasn't Dortmundesque. It was effective and organised but greatly assisted by Rovers terrible showing. However, they don't have a single style of football and stick to it as Chaddy suggested.

I was actually looking forward to seeing this amazing brand of football, but as a mate noted on Facebook "the game was as grey and dull as the sky (apart from two Town goals!)"

I walked 9 miles to Ewood yesterday and think I had more energy at the ground than our sack of manure.

[Lancs Rover]

I'm not saying we shouldn't try to influence things btw. Just that we all saw how little effect our protests had last time and so feel pessimistic about the effect any future protests might have. If there's a way of getting rid of venkys that might work, show me it[/quote

Employers encourage the bystander effect all the time probably without being able to put a name to it. Picking on a weaker person at work to show the rest of the workforce for example. Protesters can easily be marginalised.

Just like most Rovers fans, I suppose, I don't know what the real question is so I'm definitely stumped for answers. I just feel PL has put his finger on one of the problems. It's also actually quite possible it will be resolved though maybe not in a timescale to fit everyone.

[DE.]

You're right, GAV. But dropping a player who isn't playing their best is a given in football surely? That isn't happening even temporarily although we have two experienced and dependable replacements. But one is a loan and the other is looking toward the exit door in a few weeks. If Ward had started yesterday that would have been five loan players starting the game. Half the outfield team.

As far as I'm aware Ward was a permanent signing, not a loan.

[arbitro]

I still feel a sense of anger his morning. I have felt like this after many, many games in the past but usually the day after I am fine and looking forward to the next game. The overriding sense for me is that I was cheated by far too many players yesterday who had a 'couldn't be arsed' approach to the game. At the very least I expect players to put in some effort, I can accept errors and players out of form.

I am really questioning this morning why I put myself out to support a football club that is rotting from the inside and the stench is beginning to get to me.

[oldjamfan1]

I still feel a sense of anger his morning. I have felt like this after many, many games in the past but usually the day after I am fine and looking forward to the next game. The overriding sense for me is that I was cheated by far too many players yesterday who had a 'couldn't be arsed' approach to the game. At the very least I expect players to put in some effort, I can accept errors and players out of form.

I am really questioning this morning why I put myself out to support a football club that is rotting from the inside and the stench is beginning to get to me.

I was about to post a similar sentiment Tony - as you know every game is a long trek for me I was raging all the way back up the road last night - and still am! The only consolation I took from yesterday is that I bumped into an old strike partner from my playing days in the Darwen End who I hadn't seen for donkeys years and it was nice to catch up and reminisce about the good old days!

[Gav]

You're right, GAV. But dropping a player who isn't playing their best is a given in football surely? That isn't happening even temporarily although we have two experienced and dependable replacements. But one is a loan and the other is looking toward the exit door in a few weeks. If Ward had started yesterday that would have been five loan players starting the game. Half the outfield team.

Realistically only Duffy will be here come August. But fighting to keep your place and fighting to get into the team should be a prerequisite and it is what PL implied he demanded when he arrived. So what's changed?

Obviously I can only speculate but my pet theory is that the transfer embargo, combined with the arms length approach to planning, just put the top hat on a bad situation. Look at Forest as well. Fulham, Bolton...A club in the modern era needs a plan. This is my reading of PL's comments, that plugging the gaps will catch you up eventually both on and off the pitch. Just saying.

Good points mark.

You're right about dropping Duffy, it wouldn't be the end of the world to put the lad on the bench at this stage in the season.

[Gav]

I still feel a sense of anger his morning. I have felt like this after many, many games in the past but usually the day after I am fine and looking forward to the next game. The overriding sense for me is that I was cheated by far too many players yesterday who had a 'couldn't be arsed' approach to the game. At the very least I expect players to put in some effort, I can accept errors and players out of form.

I am really questioning this morning why I put myself out to support a football club that is rotting from the inside and the stench is beginning to get to me.

You're not going to be surprised by what I write next.....

The owners have created all of this by having no chairman to talk contracts and wages and no structure on the ground in Blackburn.

If Lambert wants to keep say Danny Graham, how can Lambert instil any confidence that will happen? We'd all have our agents working to get us a move away, to a club that can make a decision and keep putting the Rolex's on the table.

Even the manager is unsure if he'll be here next season and rightly so in my opinion.

If we all went to work tomorrow and got told you could be out of a job on June 1st because the CEO can't decide if he wants to employ you after that would you be 100%? I know I wouldn't.

Absolute circus.

[arbitro]

You're not going to be surprised by what I write next.....

The owners have created all of this by having no chairman to talk contracts and wages and no structure on the ground in Blackburn.

If Lambert wants to keep say Danny Graham, how can Lambert instil any confidence that will happen? We'd all have our agents working to get us a move away, to a club that can make a decision and keep putting the Rolex's on the table.

Even the manager is unsure if he'll be here next season and rightly so in my opinion.

If we all went to work tomorrow and got told you could be out of a job on June 1st because the CEO can't decide if he wants to employ you after that would you be 100%? I know I wouldn't.

Absolute circus.

I agree with your sentiments and that is another source of anger but yesterday my frustration was down to the lack of effort and the languid approach to the game from too many players. As I said the very least I expect is that players give their all, yesterday lots of them didn't. There is no excuse that I will accept for such poor attitudes.

[Parsonblue]

I agree with your sentiments and that is another source of anger but yesterday my frustration was down to the lack of effort and the languid approach to the game from too many players. As I said the very least I expect is that players give their all, yesterday lots of them didn't. There is no excuse that I will accept for such poor attitudes.

Couldn't agree more. It was also noticeable yesterday, and at Wolves last week, that although Lambert was on the touchline he seemed far less animated than usual. It's almost as if everyone bar the supporters has given up. Both Rovers and Huddersfield knew that they were safe prior to the game yesterday and yet one team turned up and looked as if they were out to impress a relatively new manager whilst our lot looked as if they'd turned up for an end of season testimonial. Must admit that I'm looking at my ticket for Forest and doubting my sanity for going.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Good points mark.

You're right about dropping Duffy, it wouldn't be the end of the world to put the lad on the bench at this stage in the season.

I agree. I think the lad has potential but he's not learning the lesson. He makes at least one howler every game. Apart from the goal keeper nobody can lose you a game quicker than your centre halves. It's not like we haven't got decent replacements in his position is it ? Time to give him some bench time I think.

[arbitro]

Couldn't agree more. It was also noticeable yesterday, and at Wolves last week, that although Lambert was on the touchline he seemed far less animated than usual. It's almost as if everyone bar the supporters has given up. Both Rovers and Huddersfield knew that they were safe prior to the game yesterday and yet one team turned up and looked as if they were out to impress a relatively new manager whilst our lot looked as if they'd turned up for an end of season testimonial. Must admit that I'm looking at my ticket for Forest and doubting my sanity for going.

I haven't got my Forest ticket yet and if the game was tomorrow I wouldn't be going. The chances are I will change my mind but what would definitely get me to go is if Lambert announced he was going to give a couple of the kids a game. From an attitude and application perspective they would certainly be an improvement on some of those masquerading as professional footballers yesterday.

[Leonard Venkhater]

I listed yesterday clubs who've gone from bad to worse and it's never just poor players or managers because they can, with cash and time, be solved. It's always clubs that are poorly owned and run. You can run a club well at any level and give your fans hope. You can run a premiership club badly despite throwing money at the problem and sink like a stone. It's the hopelessness and frustration of following a club that anyone can see is being badly run or in our case not run at all that gets to fans. We are powerless to influence anything and even worse in our case is that so many don't even seem to see what's going on.

They have to go.

Many are understandably fearful of what that could mean for BRFC, but this is a slow lingering death. I don't kid myself they are not going to go eventually, when there really is nothing left. So,for me, the sooner, the better. Bring it on. I would be trying to give them a war at home. Use the Indian press....

[arbitro]

They have to go.

Many are understandably fearful of what that could mean for BRFC, but this is a slow lingering death. I don't kid myself they are not going to go eventually, when there really is nothing left. So,for me, the sooner, the better. Bring it on. I would be trying to give them a war at home. Use the Indian press....

I agreed. I believe the tipping point is imminent by not backing Lambert and any players with any sort of value either sold or leaving due to the ensuing financial melt down and administration. And I also agree that most of us will breath a sigh of relief, see what is left and take it from there.

And the only comfort to me if that happens is that those Indian morons will be out of pocket by millions.

[Husky]

Completely missed following this game. Thank God!!

Was it all Lowe's fault?

Well it's not all bad (for me at least)- the cricket season finally got properly under-way and I'm back out in the sunshine - 25c today

[levi]

for various reasons yesterday was my first trip to ewood this season

with tickets,hotel,petrol,drink and food money it cost around £250

i always try to make a day of it and normaly the result doesn't affect my mood but what i saw yesterday was shocking,i can't believe the total lack of effort from the players

[tkturner]

Terrible performance yesterday, turned up to Ewood with sunglasses on and some optimism, left in a storm and pi55ed off...

I am absolutely not sending that season ticket renewal off until we get some idea of what the plan is, there actually isn't a plan as far as I can see!

I am not enjoying going to the football at the minute and feel I'm wasting my money...

[Husky]

Disappointed no youngsters are on the bench.

I saw Ipswich (whose season has petered out during the last few games) played a 16 year old yesterday.

[DE.]

I saw Ipswich (whose season has petered out during the last few games) played a 16 year old yesterday.

If yesterday was the best the "senior" players can produce we may as well play the youth team.

[Gav]

I agree with your sentiments and that is another source of anger but yesterday my frustration was down to the lack of effort and the languid approach to the game from too many players. As I said the very least I expect is that players give their all, yesterday lots of them didn't. There is no excuse that I will accept for such poor attitudes.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, but we all know in football that if they have nothing to play for and uncertainty about the future reigns supreme everyday they turn up for training, performances and attitude are going to suffer.

Anyone remember Brum away under Hughes? Was it his last match? Disgraceful performance by the team and we had a well run club at the time.

[Gav]

I agree with your sentiments and that is another source of anger but yesterday my frustration was down to the lack of effort and the languid approach to the game from too many players. As I said the very least I expect is that players give their all, yesterday lots of them didn't. There is no excuse that I will accept for such poor attitudes.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, but we all know in football that if they have nothing to play for and uncertainty about the future reigns supreme everyday they turn up for training and games performances are attitude are going to suffer.

Anyone remember Brum away under Hughes? Was it his last match? Disgraceful performance by the team and we had a well run club at the time.

[Colt Seavers]

In any workplace, if the manager criticises the owners publicly, the workforce will cotton on very quickly to the hint of rebellion and will feel comfortable taking ten per cent off their level of performance.

The players will have detected a change in Lambert's demeanour and have reacted accordingly.

I suspect Lambert is feeling utterly sickened and toothless. The performance yesterday reflected that.

I don't believe that any amount of money would allow Lambert to get us in the play offs, let alone outright promoted next year. I think he has realised he has no future here and is merely going through the motions. He may even be happy to get the sack; trouser the pay off, and point to the basket case owners as the reason for his failure.

[aletheia]

Yes as the game progressed my thinking eventually came round to that –Lambert must be attempting to get himself the sack or demonstrate the urgent need for an input of cash. Because despite the ludicrous off-field circus and uncertainty, I can’t believe the poor selection, shape, effort and lack of simple basics. Bringing on Akpan?? Persisting with Grimes (who I like btw)? Browny? Long ball to Jackson? At least Lowe offers some energy getting up and down the touchline in conjunction with Marshall. Players and manager on the beach.

[Leonard Venkhater]

I agree with you wholeheartedly, but we all know in football that if they have nothing to play for and uncertainty about the future reigns supreme everyday they turn up for training and games performances are attitude are going to suffer.

Anyone remember Brum away under Hughes? Was it his last match? Disgraceful performance by the team and we had a well run club at the time.

Yes, I do. What an awful performance in front of an angry Brum crowd and another four hours of my life I'll never get back..

Later, I wondered if the players all knew Hughes was on his way....

[Gav]

Yes, I do. What an awful performance in front of an angry Brum crowd and another four hours of my life I'll never get back..

Later, I wondered if the players all knew Hughes was on his way....

Yes it was such a terrible performance you could be right LV