[Archived] An Open Letter

[CAPT KAYOS]

Alienating someone you owe over a hundred million pounds to, seems quite suicidal to me.

Created it themselves Den - creative accounting and a moral obligation to put things right ( yes I know would never happen) could see them swallow /hide it like they appear to have done with other 'assets' at the Rovers - should be a small drop in the Ocean if what we are to believe they have by way of £££s

Rovers fans /supporters are not the ones at cause here - they are the ones that have decided the alienation already so why worry about something they have concocted themselves ?

[Gav]

Alienating someone you owe over a hundred million pounds to, seems quite suicidal to me.

Alienate

Chance would be a fine thing, you have to communicate first!

I'm intrigued, you've changed you stance from being all for protest to being very much against, whats changed?

Is it simply timing?

We have Lambert and you hope he'll get funds? because I hope that scenario comes about also, but you have changed your stance somewhat den?

[BlueMonday]

Humiliate them at our peril I would say

Understand the sentiment Yoda, but they are humiliating themselves, with every day they drive us further into the ground.

And the Peril is already happening.

[den]

Alienate

Chance would be a fine thing, you have to communicate first!

I'm intrigued, you've changed you stance from being all for protest to being very much against, whats changed?

Is it simply timing?

We have Lambert and you hope he'll get funds? because I hope that scenario comes about also, but you have changed your stance somewhat den?

You're not wrong Gav - and yes I have changed stance somewhat. Why? Not exactly sure myself! My feelings towards them are exactly the same as they've ever been and exactly the same as yours and every other supporters feelings.

It's probably that it's sunk in now that the club's existence is totally and completely at their whim. They could turn it around tomorrow - and that is the only - and best - option on the table at the moment. I'm afraid I'm not at all convinced that the club will survive if they pack it in.

[Gav]

You're not wrong Gav - and yes I have changed stance somewhat. Why? Not exactly sure myself! My feelings towards them are exactly the same as they've ever been and exactly the same as yours and every other supporters feelings.

It's probably that it's sunk in now that the club's existence is totally and completely at their whim. They could turn it around tomorrow - and that is the only - and best - option on the table at the moment. I'm afraid I'm not at all convinced that the club will survive if they pack it in.

A perfectly fair and reasonable stance to take, even though I don't agree with it.

I think fans adopting a similar stance need to be asking themselves just how bad does it have to get before we stop worrying about them pulling out and try to hit them where it hurts, in the pocket/reputation.

Nobody can come up with a club of our stature that has gone to the wall due to debt and incompetent owners, because their isn't one.

I think the timings wrong to place adverts, we're about 3yrs too late.... but with Paul Lambert in charge we have a glimmer of hope, but if he walks then the sh1t should hit the fan, but it won't because the majority of fans will be far to busy procrastinating.

[Leonard Venkhater]

Alienating someone you owe over a hundred million pounds to, seems quite suicidal to me.

Yes, I totally get that.The problem is that they are actually killing us anyway. They are slowly smothering and crushing all hope, belief and sense of purpose, vital to any club's survival.We won't survive another five years of "Raocinoma".

The last 5 years has been the the most prolonged malaise in all my forty plus years, following the club. Even in the dark third division days of '71 there was trust and hope...

[den]

Yes, I totally get that.The problem is that they are actually killing us anyway. They are slowly smothering and crushing all hope, belief and sense of purpose, vital to any club's survival.We won't survive another five years of "Raocinoma".

The last 5 years has been the the most prolonged malaise in all my forty plus years, following the club. Even in the dark third division days of '71 there was trust and hope...

They could change it round though Leonard and we could continue to rebuild from where we are now. That would be a much better option than the alternative "let's go to the wall" view. Don't you agree?

[tomphil]

Why should he need a permit? Surely he could be paid from Pune.

Yep, Singh navigated around that issue for a while didn't he ? He was also allegedly paid from Pune. Either way it's just another load of rollocks. He has a phone and laptop I presume........

[VinjayV4]

yoda is exactly right and I'd suggest placing an advert in an Indian newspaper, no matter how carefully worded, will have exactly this effect.

If a small group of supporters chose to take this action the group needs to take a long hard look at their own position. It may seem a great idea, it may be cathartic, the group may feel it's acting in everyone's best interest but does that group represent the fanbase? No.

Approximately 30 people posting on a message board does not represent the support. Publically humiliating the owners in a manner which could result in the club being starved of even more cash is a huge responsibility being proposed by a minute percentage of the fanbase. Such a group has no legitimate right to claim to act on behalf of the fans. Without clear support from the majority taking out an advert in Indian, especially, or other media would be wrong.

It won't happen for two reasons; money and this is just another example of people talking but not walking.

What if registering Ewood as an asset of community value offended them?

[Leonard Venkhater]

They could change it round though Leonard and we could continue to rebuild from where we are now. That would be a much better option than the alternative "let's go to the wall" view. Don't you agree?

If only......

But all the evidence points to more of the same neglect and abuse.

[Gav]

They could change it round though Leonard and we could continue to rebuild from where we are now. That would be a much better option than the alternative "let's go to the wall" view. Don't you agree?

Well they could den, 6yrs of bad decisions and 1 good one, Lambert and his team, who they've now isolated and stopped all communication with.

We have hope

[den]

Well they could den, 6yrs of bad decisions and 1 good one, Lambert and his team, who they've now isolated and stopped all communication with.

I don't think that's true Gav. My reading of the situation is that Pasha put Lamberts proposal to the owners recently and he's due back at Ewood in the coming days.

[Gav]

I don't think that's true Gav. My reading of the situation is that Pasha put Lamberts proposal to the owners recently and he's due back at Ewood in the coming days.

Lambert put his proposals to Venkys weeks ago den, since then we've lost a communications director that wasn't allowed to communicate, we've had a Venkys man on the ground go missing in action amidst talk of work permit issues, its a similar pattern to the past 5/6yrs only we're closer to league 1 and bankruptcy!

I hope you're right den, I really do, but all the evidence points towards more failure and turmoil.

[Paul]

I respect your views and understand the sentiment Paul, but as a fan of this great club I'm embarrassed by 'sit down and shut up' mentality of large swathes of the support.

What will it take to get people out of there seats? Melting down the Jack Walker statue maybe?

I don't advocate doing nothing and I've done plenty myself which I've believed right and appropriate. I don't though think risking humiliation for the owners will help. If you consider it from a pure business aspect it's foolish. The only time when one should slam the door on the way out is when you really don't need that person or company. Rovers sadly need Venky's.

[Paul]

What if registering Ewood as an asset of community value offended them?

Perhaps it did, who knows? It was a decision taken by Rovers Trust appropriate at the time and still is today.

Do you by any chance understand the word parochial?

Other than watching Manchester City and contributing tens of thousands of words to a MB have you actually made an effort to change things? A lot of people don't write, they act.

Who represents the fans ? The fans forum ? They don't represent me

The trust ? They don't represent me either

Ste b ? He just lies about me

Gav is right , the sit down shut up and take it the a@@& are not helping either .

I'm still 50/50 whether that's me finished after the gobby it's not venkys fault last week .

None of those people make any claim to represent you or others.

[CAPT KAYOS]

I don't advocate doing nothing and I've done plenty myself which I've believed right and appropriate. I don't though think risking humiliation for the owners will help. If you consider it from a pure business aspect it's foolish. The only time when one should slam the door on the way out is when you really don't need that person or company. Rovers sadly need Venky's.

Honest question Paul

Do we though?

What for?

Million dollar question but there is no evidence for this

[Gav]

I don't advocate doing nothing and I've done plenty myself which I've believed right and appropriate. I don't though think risking humiliation for the owners will help. If you consider it from a pure business aspect it's foolish. The only time when one should slam the door on the way out is when you really don't need that person or company. Rovers sadly need Venky's.

Quite simply not true.

No football club of our stature has gone to the wall due to cr@p owners leaving debt, not one....

A lot of people don't write, they act.

Get that advert in the Times of India Vinjay, they'll show em!

[Jock]

Alienating someone you owe over a hundred million pounds to, seems quite suicidal to me.

They racked up the debt with their incompetence.

[den]

Lambert put his proposals to Venkys weeks ago den, since then we've lost a communications director that wasn't allowed to communicate, we've had a Venkys man on the ground go missing in action amidst talk of work permit issues, its a similar pattern to the past 5/6yrs only we're closer to league 1 and bankruptcy!

I hope you're right den, I really do, but all the evidence points towards more failure and turmoil.

I think you're putting rumour down as facts Gav. The LT this morning says Pasha is due back at Ewood in the next few days.

With respect, you seem to be going down the "history tells us" route again. History told us we would get Craig Short as our next manager if Bowyer was sacked. That didn't happen and it doesn't matter what's gone on in the past, it's what happens from now on that's important.

There are two scenarios we're talking about here. Firstly that Venkys start running the club better. Some say they won't, but they might. All they have to do is concede that they can't completely run the club themselves. It might not happen, but that's what the aim for the fans should be. Let's see how things pan out. Secondly that we enter administration or the club is liquidated. Venkys running the club properly is the desirable outcome, the second option ( admin or liquidation) is what we get when everything else fails.

Seems to me that Some fans would be happy to shut the club down here, simply as a reaction to the last six years ownership. That's not in the best interests of the club IMO.

[Dreams of 1995]

Then what is? To sit and wait as we have done for so many years?

There is only so long a man can sit on his hands whilst something he loves is torn apart. Sounds a bit melodramatic but it's true. There doesn't seem to be any fan direction at the moment - no one can agree what the next plan of action is. The Rovers Trust have faded into obscurity, there's no news coming from Ewood and quite frankly we are in the worst position we have been in under these loons, regardless of PL being our manager. If he walks what then? We will be scrambling to create a plan because we decided to 'sit and wait' whilst he was in charge.

I agree entirely with Paul's sentiments, despite me being for this idea. Since my original rough draft submission I've drafted several letters I think worthy of sending. It is true that I, or others on here, do not represent the entire fan base of BRFC. However, it would be nearly impossible to get the opinions of all fans prior to any action, especially if we want that action to be decisive.

As we are a group (the BRFCC fan forums) perhaps it would be an idea for us to formulate a plan should Venky's decide not to back Lambert in the summer. If Paul Lambert walks for the reasons banded around this board then surely all can see that the Venky's simply don't have what it takes to run this football club. If, or when, he walks we should have a suitable response prepared and ready to be delivered immediately.

EDIT: I have also tweeted Baloy of the Economic Times of India just to inquire about the price of an advert. I haven't received a response as of yet.

[Gav]

I think you're putting rumour down as facts Gav. The LT this morning says Pasha is due back at Ewood in the next few days.

With respect, you seem to be going down the "history tells us" route again. History told us we would get Craig Short as our next manager if Bowyer was sacked. That didn't happen and it doesn't matter what's gone on in the past, it's what happens from now on that's important.

There are two scenarios we're talking about here. Firstly that Venkys start running the club better. Some say they won't, but they might. All they have to do is concede that they can't completely run the club themselves. It might not happen, but that's what the aim for the fans should be. Let's see how things pan out. Secondly that we enter administration or the club is liquidated. Venkys running the club properly is the desirable outcome, the second option ( admin or liquidation) is what we get when everything else fails.

Seems to me that Some fans would be happy to shut the club down here, simply as a reaction to the last six years ownership. That's not in the best interests of the club IMO.

Lets not forget you told everyone that would listen that any manager would have Bowyers squad much higher in the league than they sat, and you weren't alone in that absolute bunkum prediction, but we'll call that a draw, no point in mid slinging

As for the rest of your post, I can't add anything further, better to just air on the side of caution then, we're only £120m in debt with league 1 approaching.

[Athlete]

Alienating someone you owe over a hundred million pounds to, seems quite suicidal to me.

Suicidal we're dying a slow painful death as it stands

They need to go simple as

Venkys out

[AllRoverAsia]

I think you're putting rumour down as facts Gav. The LT this morning says Pasha is due back at Ewood in the next few days.

With respect, you seem to be going down the "history tells us" route again. History told us we would get Craig Short as our next manager if Bowyer was sacked. That didn't happen and it doesn't matter what's gone on in the past, it's what happens from now on that's important.

There are two scenarios we're talking about here. Firstly that Venkys start running the club better. Some say they won't, but they might. All they have to do is concede that they can't completely run the club themselves. It might not happen, but that's what the aim for the fans should be. Let's see how things pan out. Secondly that we enter administration or the club is liquidated. Venkys running the club properly is the desirable outcome, the second option ( admin or liquidation) is what we get when everything else fails.

Seems to me that Some fans would be happy to shut the club down here, simply as a reaction to the last six years ownership. That's not in the best interests of the club IMO.

Bloody good post from someone who doesn't know the value of a goal scorer

Suicidal we're dying a slow painful death as it stands

They need to go simple as

Venkys out

Yes affirmative

[Athlete]

I think you're putting rumour down as facts Gav. The LT this morning says Pasha is due back at Ewood in the next few days.

With respect, you seem to be going down the "history tells us" route again. History told us we would get Craig Short as our next manager if Bowyer was sacked. That didn't happen and it doesn't matter what's gone on in the past, it's what happens from now on that's important.

There are two scenarios we're talking about here. Firstly that Venkys start running the club better. Some say they won't, but they might. All they have to do is concede that they can't completely run the club themselves. It might not happen, but that's what the aim for the fans should be. Let's see how things pan out. Secondly that we enter administration or the club is liquidated. Venkys running the club properly is the desirable outcome, the second option ( admin or liquidation) is what we get when everything else fails.

Seems to me that Some fans would be happy to shut the club down here, simply as a reaction to the last six years ownership. That's not in the best interests of the club IMO.

They aren't going to learn they won't appoint a UK based board with authority to run the club

As for Pasha another who should be nowhere near Ewood.. Advisors lol.. You couldn't make it up

TBF to Lambert he's correct the club needs some structure

[den]

Lets not forget you told everyone that would listen that any manager would have Bowyers squad much higher in the league than they sat, and you weren't alone in that absolute bunkum prediction, but we'll call that a draw, no point in mid slinging

As for the rest of your post, I can't add anything further, better to just air on the side of caution then, we're only £120m in debt with league 1 approaching.

First paragraph.... I wanted another manager, yes. Don't remember ever saying he would have "Bowyers squad" higher up the league.

Second paragraph....... I wasn't meaning to sling mud Gav, that's why I said "with respect". But because the owners have wanted to run the club in isolation from Pune in the past, doesn't mean they'll never change that. Surely that would be better than trying to chase them out of the club?

Bloody good post from someone who doesn't know the value of a goal scorer

Oh dear. You really want me to point out the facts about the teams goal scoring again?

Let's not get nasty?