[Archived] Renew Or Not Renew

[tomphil]

With the first positive signings since Bowyers first full season and a manager who despite his recent record etc probably WILL give it a good go then we should all be renewing.

That's at a normal club though and most will expect Venkys to balls it up again pretty soon somehow so I can't see the signings enticing loads back. Sadly that's were we are at and the cretins only have themselves to blame but it's us who suffer as usual sat in a sparse stadium with no real atmosphere whilst they sit in India doing whatever it is they do.

I'll admit I'm in a dilemma now as the signings have given me a bit of an itch but I'm standing strong until the 11th hour. I still think we'll be taken for mugs again sooner or later but if not it could be an interesting season.

Hmm.......

[JBiz]

Fair enough JB and no qualms with that - but can you not see that they have you by the short and curlies and if you agree all is not good at the club, you are in effect contributing to their mindset of thinking that they have your backing.

As I have stated with PB - your choice if you continue to go for which you argue, but don't then consolidate to say everything is not rosy in the garden when basically they are using that 'loyalty' to help spread the manure they are putting in it.

I'll give you the credit of being able to discuss! Not many have that here

My opinion hasn't changed though, I don't think it's fair to label a season ticket as an endorsement of Venkys behaviour. In fact I'd suggest that buying a ticket to keep your voice in the stadium is as important as anything for showing and telling them just how bad they are, through banners and chanting.

I've neigh qualms with people taking the personal decision to boycott. The issue is with those people making comments on others who see I differently. You don't see me taking swipes at them in posts with comments on their loyalty or the meaning of "thick and thin".

I'm fully aware that some see a st as backing the owners and I can see why that's said, but it's not fair to use it as a stick to beat others though

My attendance at Rovers is based on my own reasons. I know exactly what's gone on, I can speculate like the rest about which way it is going but ultimately it's my own reason to attend.

[Gav]

With the first positive signings since Bowyers first full season and a manager who despite his recent record etc probably WILL give it a good go then we should all be renewing.

That's at a normal club though and most will expect Venkys to balls it up again pretty soon somehow so I can't see the signings enticing loads back. Sadly that's were we are at and the cretins only have themselves to blame but it's us who suffer as usual sat in a sparse stadium with no real atmosphere whilst they sit in India doing whatever it is they do.

I'll admit I'm in a dilemma now as the signings have given me a bit of an itch but I'm standing strong until the 11th hour. I still think we'll be taken for mugs again sooner or later but if not it could be an interesting season.

Hmm.......

I've read you spitting bile week in week out since Lambert walked out of the club, and rightly so.

We sign Stokes who was a flop at Hibs, not good enough for Celtic and Graham who is a decent signing and you're wavering

Nowt as fickle as football fans eh!

If you want to go pal, you go, nothing wrong with that, its in the blood

[FGS5635]

Venkys dont care if I renew or I dont. So the only person who suffers from me stubbornly not going is me.

Therefore I renewed as usual and will be there eating crap pies, drinking crap beer, losing a tenner on first goal scorer and sulking all day because we played pants again

[Tom]

Kind of unbelievable that people go mad about others blaming the fans - then go on to hint that the fans are now to blame if they renew

[gumboots]

I don't blame anyone for renewing, but I do think it's hard to say it doesn't show acceptance of venkys if not support for them. Owners and club are linked and to put money into the club is also to some extent endorsing their ownership, even if that's not your intent. It's a hard choice to make and I envy those who can keep attending matches but I just can't do it.

[Tom]

I just find it slightly hypocritical (I am one myself when it comes to football) to go until you decide the time is now and then criticise others for supporting the regime when it's exactly what you were doing until that point.

That is a general 'you' not you you!

[blondie]

Venkys dont care if I renew or I dont. So the only person who suffers from me stubbornly not going is me.

Therefore I renewed as usual and will be there eating crap pies, drinking crap beer, losing a tenner on first goal scorer and sulking all day because we played pants again

That's what it is all about,supporting your team (not Venkys)through thick and thin.Forget the keyboard warriors,martyrs to the cause.How dare they try to make anybody feel guilty of supporting the club we all love.Martyrdom is usually a selt sacrificing act done in silence,without seeking glory for the said act.

[Pedro]

This is a boycotting thread and I posted my thought.

You've attempted to bait Abbey on the transfer thread and now you're attempting the same on here, which is pretty poor attention seeking bullsh1t.

Grow up

I don't get that response. I'm interested what people can do/ are doing apart from giving up.

[ABBEY]

so the Rovers Fans say we are now maryters. Makes a change from tremblers and evil i suppose.

[AggyBlue]

I don't get that response. I'm interested what people can do/ are doing apart from giving up.

Giving up is the best way to hurt the venky's. It hurts them financially. They are forced to put more money into the club, something they don't want to do. The more people that don't go, the more they have to put in to pay the bills. Hopefully, eventually they default or give up.

Having said that, I'm still undecided and I've just over two weeks to choose whether to renew or not.

[Stuart]

I don't blame anyone for renewing, but I do think it's hard to say it doesn't show acceptance of venkys if not support for them. Owners and club are linked and to put money into the club is also to some extent endorsing their ownership, even if that's not your intent. It's a hard choice to make and I envy those who can keep attending matches but I just can't do it.

I know where you are coming from but I don't agree with this.

If you didn't vote for the party that won the local elections then does that mean by continuing to live in the town and paying your council tax you are supporting that political party?

Or do you like where you live and want to see it prosper but would vote that party out at every opportunity, and maybe even take part in rallies or join the opposition party to see the back of them?

[MarkBRFC]

Anyone who renews doesn't care about the future of the club, loves venkys etc.

Anyone who doesn't renew isn't a real fan, doesn't care about the future of the club etc.

Does this sort of nonesense happen between fans at other clubs?

[blondie]

so the Rovers Fans say we are now maryters. Makes a change from tremblers and evil i suppose.

Your bitterness is only matched by your obsession to follow a club you are not willing to support

[gumboots]

I know where you are coming from but I don't agree with this.

If you didn't vote for the party that won the local elections then does that mean by continuing to live in the town and paying your council tax you are supporting that political party?

Or do you like where you live and want to see it prosper but would vote that party out at every opportunity, and maybe even take part in rallies or join the opposition party to see the back of them?

slightly different though. It's hard to move out and also you get a chance every few years to change. We don't seem to be able to do anything about our owners and it is a leisure activity, not your livelihood. A lot of people put a lot of emotion into supporting a club but it's not the same

[ABBEY]

Your bitterness is only matched by your obsession to follow a club you are not willing to support

not willing to support ffs???

been every year since 1970 so jog on.

[Gav]

Anyone who renews doesn't care about the future of the club, loves venkys etc.

Anyone who doesn't renew isn't a real fan, doesn't care about the future of the club etc.

Does this sort of nonesense happen between fans at other clubs?

I've got a mate who was one of the founders of Spirit of Shankly, and I can assure you it does happen at other clubs.

Liverpools fan base is dominated by Scandinavians, Irish and everybody other than the people from the city, so it was really hard to generate a passionate objection to the Americans because the majority of fans just didn't understand the feelings of real scousers to selling the club to foreign owners.

But they managed to unite, something we'll never achieve here.

[blondie]

not willing to support ffs???

been every year since 1970 so jog on.

Enjoy your run,1959 but not bragging.

[tomphil]

I've read you spitting bile week in week out since Lambert walked out of the club, and rightly so.

We sign Stokes who was a flop at Hibs, not good enough for Celtic and Graham who is a decent signing and you're wavering

Nowt as fickle as football fans eh!

If you want to go pal, you go, nothing wrong with that, its in the blood

Easy for you to say now your hiding 200 miles away and probably can't go all the time even if you want

Seriously though just for once I was putting all the other shoite to one side and looking at it just from a football perspective. There seems at least half an effort to put a decent side together when a lot of us if we are being honest thought we'd sign no one at all.

Anyway it was just an itch at the prospect of some decent footy but it'll soon be scratched when the sales begin.......

[Stuart]

slightly different though. It's hard to move out and also you get a chance every few years to change. We don't seem to be able to do anything about our owners and it is a leisure activity, not your livelihood. A lot of people put a lot of emotion into supporting a club but it's not the same

Supporting a football club is not a leisure activity.

It's a curse passed down through the generations.

The trouble is that many do simply see it as a form of entertainment which is why they stop. (And I don't include the likes of Abbey in that - those folks are leaving for an entirely different reason - but they are in the minority).

I'm still holding out hope that Abbey will carry on though (under duress). It's in his blood.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Time to draw a line under the constant bitching. Abbey wants the Venkys Out, Chaddy wants to carry on going, jbizzle doesn't want pidgeon holing and still wants to go, Gumboots and I have had enough. So effing what? Why do I have to read that 500 times a day on here? Give your heads a wobble.

Pretty clear to me that the owners have disrespected customers long enough to deserve whatever happens with their customer base and income streams. If they genuinely do not care then they are in a minority of one and few if any other businesses operate in this fashion. Downsize your product offering, disrespect your customers, lose business. It has always been that way.

Pleasingly for them, standard product purchasing decisions and the science of customer purchase do not apply in the same manner within football. Fans are emotionally involved, often historically and it is very difficult breaking / changing lifetime habits.

It is safe to say the product now is very poor when compared to recent years, but not when compared to when I first started watching under Gordon Lee. However, were once we were skint but classy, poor but hard-working, struggling financially but not constantly waxing needless millions, we had a belief and soul that tied us all intrinsically to the badge. A belief that decisions taken were in the best interest of the club at all times.

The club as we know it is a shadow of its former self, of that few would argue. Even many of those fans renewing have considered the decision, were once it would have been a given. Those leaving may never return and sadly this period in our history is very damaging as youngsters and potential new fans are alienated forever.

[FGS5635]

Venkys may care slightly from a business point of view. But its numbers on a balance sheet and wont mean one jot to them personally. It doesn't affect their lives or their empires.

They are still filthy rich and carry on with their lives unaffected and wont give us a second thought when they clock out at 5pm and drive home in their gold chauffeur driven Bentley

[CAPT KAYOS]

(could possibly be in the S/T /tfr thread) but playing devils advocate here in response to those not renewing or going but has anybody considered that :-

Could it be the recent signings are the calm before the storm - ie the 'apparent' lack of uptake for S/T and the stated responses sent back been a jolt to them ?

Has it made them realise they must do something quick ( at last) or is it a ploy to try and get S/T sold before they pull the plug again ( wool over eyes) with the sale of Marshall and Hanley for example?

If you must renew - hold back as long as you can for your own sanity

[FGS5635]

(could possibly be in the S/T /tfr thread) but playing devils advocate here in response to those not renewing or going but has anybody considered that :-

Could it be the recent signings are the calm before the storm - ie the 'apparent' lack of uptake for S/T and the stated responses sent back been a jolt to them ?

Has it made them realise they must do something quick ( at last) or is it a ploy to try and get S/T sold before they pull the plug again ( wool over eyes) with the sale of Marshall and Hanley for example?

If you must renew - hold back as long as you can for your own sanity

Not sure anyone left running the show is that clever to come up with that cunning master plan.

Its also another reason the window should close before the season starts

[JAL]

People should be waiting until the transfer window closes before deciding on wether to renew or not.