[Archived] Renew Or Not Renew

[JBiz]

Thing is, the hardcore will be in their element. They wouldn't care if they were sat in the BBE with their small group of mates and nobody else: there'd be fewer dissenting voices, things would be much calmer, and they'd be able to sit back and take in the football as purists. As long as Coyley plays football in the 'right way' (which in most places means winning, except to the purist).

that's a further badge of honour for the hardcore - I'm talking about having a club at all

Sick to death of people having a pop at those who chose to go. That's the damage for me.

Cheston said;

"The club needs your support, the team needs your support, and if youre not renewing your season ticket, I would ask why you are not renewing.

If its a protest vote then youre damaging the club, youre damaging the staff, youre damaging something you actually enjoy doing.

If we do have a good team on the pitch playing next season and playing well, youre denying yourselves.

We want as many supporters as possible. We need them. The sooner we all get together and get behind the club the better for everybody."

I was brought up to think "worry about the things you can change first", and it comes across to me as a plea. If people don't like the truth, that's their own problem; less fans = less money for the club, therefore damage. Nowhere near the level of damage we've had inflicted on us from within mind! But this is potentially more "damage" down the road, the future ie things changeable unlike past error.

I don't see the part where MC denies or defends the owners mistakes? Im also unsure why we'd expect such great communication from the club in its current state.

How people can spin this in a way to criticise "hardcore" support is beyond me. It's a desperate plea, either take it in or ignore it.

[chaddyrovers]

I really hope that people who havent renew do renew tbh. Hope as the season comes closer people get the urge to buy a season ticket.

At the end of day we are all passionate Rovers fans and we love our club.

[47er]

I really hope that people who havent renew do renew tbh. Hope as the season comes closer people get the urge to buy a season ticket.

At the end of day we are all passionate Rovers fans and we love our club.

Thereby missing the whole point.

This is not our club anymore. We are irrelevant.

[gumboots]

Chaddy I have no urge to buy a season ticket. Every time the club through whichever representative opens its mouth it's more lies and bluster and I'm more determined not to buy one. I honestly, brief cup run under bowyer apart, cannot remember the last time I enjoyed watching a Rovers game. I think you'll find there are still quite a lot who feel like me

[arbitro]

I really hope that people who havent renew do renew tbh. Hope as the season comes closer people get the urge to buy a season ticket.

At the end of day we are all passionate Rovers fans and we love our club.

I can on speak for myself mate and I most certainly will not unless they sell up in the next three weeks.

I used to deal with a Man Utd fan who never used to miss a game, he saw all the domestic and European games and suddenly stopped going when the Glazers arrived. I found this hard to believe that an ardent, passionate fan could do this. But one thing he said has always stuck with me. Quite simply he said 'I love Man Utd but I hate what it has become'.

That is exactly how I feel.

[Baz]

"You are damaging the club", says the mouthpiece of Venkys to the fans.

[chaddyrovers]

Gumboots, I enjoyed watching my team last season..not every game but performances like against Boro, Reading, Fulham, Derby, Ipswich, Sheff Wed at home games plus away games against Leeds, Preston, Fulham and Brentford.

Some performances were poor like Leeds at home, Preston at Home and probably the most annoying one was Brentford at home

[tomphil]

Disgraceful attempt at blame shifting which will be flagged up as a reason for more sales no doubt despite several players being touted around behind the scenes and have been for ages.

'I would ask why your protesting' jesus the man couldn't be more arrogant if he tried.

'Damaging the club' well that's a corker considering there ain't much left to damage. 20k were turning up 5 years ago but that didn't stop the associated crooks and con artists dismantling the club and leaving it in the state it's in now. The 10/12k that have been turning up the past few years haven't made any difference whatsoever to the continued downscale either. They'll continue what they are doing whether 0 turn up or 15 thousand.

Get real Cheston you clueless oaf.

[Paul]

Don't they usually have 2 weeks now where season tickets go off sale whilst they process any seat transfers etc? So I imagine the ticket website will stay the same until then.

I don't know if STs are off sale but it's certainly true they used to be taken off sale at this point.

The club are definetley processing transfers as I had a call on Wednesday - as had been promised when I renewed - to offer me the seats I had requested. We are now in almost the identical seats in WO3 as to those we had in WO4

Well done the TO. Excellent as always.

[BlueMonday]

Sick to death of people having a pop at those who chose to go. That's the damage for me.

Cheston said;

"The club needs your support, the team needs your support, and if youre not renewing your season ticket, I would ask why you are not renewing.

If its a protest vote then youre damaging the club, youre damaging the staff, youre damaging something you actually enjoy doing.

If we do have a good team on the pitch playing next season and playing well, youre denying yourselves.

We want as many supporters as possible. We need them. The sooner we all get together and get behind the club the better for everybody."

I was brought up to think "worry about the things you can change first", and it comes across to me as a plea. If people don't like the truth, that's their own problem; less fans = less money for the club, therefore damage. Nowhere near the level of damage we've had inflicted on us from within mind! But this is potentially more "damage" down the road, the future ie things changeable unlike past error.

I don't see the part where MC denies or defends the owners mistakes? Im also unsure why we'd expect such great communication from the club in its current state.

How people can spin this in a way to criticise "hardcore" support is beyond me. It's a desperate plea, either take it in or ignore it.

And those making a stand by giving up their Football are SICK of being accused of being the ones who are damaging the Club.

If there were 20,000 STs we'd still be in this mess because Venkys are incompetent. They have damaged the the Club through mismanagement, nothing they have done has benefitted the long term interests of the Club.

[matt83]

I don't view this monstrosity as Blackburn Rovers anymore. So for me not going isn't an issue. The venkys infect every pore of the club to the point I feel it's more about them than rovers. Effectively in my head this is Venky fc a whole new club. The owners will not get a penny more out of me and if they walk away and Blackburn rovers starts again in the non league so be it. A local club representing the town rather than a play thing for the Indian nouveau riche.

My only hope is post venkys, hopefully one day that will happen, there will be a semblance of the club I used to love left and I will return. Until that day I believe going is merely endorsing the owners even if it's not the primary reason for going (I appreciate its not a view shared by those who chose to go but it's what I think).

[JBiz]

And those making a stand by giving up their Football are SICK of being accused of being the ones who are damaging the Club.

If there were 20,000 STs we'd still be in this mess because Venkys are incompetent. They have damaged the the Club through mismanagement, nothing they have done has benefitted the long term interests of the Club.

Yea I agree on Venkys but less fans = less money = damage to go on top. It's no excuse to start being a sarcastic pedant.

[rishtonrover]

I really hope that people who havent renew do renew tbh. Hope as the season comes closer people get the urge to buy a season ticket.

At the end of day we are all passionate Rovers fans and we love our club.

havnt renewed yet but will be doing,thought about not going but love rovers its in my blood..just getting ready for morecambe..rtid

[tomphil]

I don't view this monstrosity as Blackburn Rovers anymore. So for me not going isn't an issue. The venkys infect every pore of the club to the point I feel it's more about them than rovers. Effectively in my head this is Venky fc a whole new club. The owners will not get a penny more out of me and if they walk away and Blackburn rovers starts again in the non league so be it. A local club representing the town rather than a play thing for the Indian nouveau riche.

My only hope is post venkys, hopefully one day that will happen, there will be a semblance of the club I used to love left and I will return. Until that day I believe going is merely endorsing the owners even if it's not the primary reason for going (I appreciate its not a view shared by those who chose to go but it's what I think).

That's exactly what it is, Venky's & Partners Franchise Fc it just happens to be in Blackburn and has stolen our club. Why the hell couldn't they have bought Reading or someone like that. I've no doubt if they had they same pattern would have followed but they might have had a few more thousand gullible punters to continually foist it upon !

[gumboots]

Gumboots, I enjoyed watching my team last season..not every game but performances like against Boro, Reading, Fulham, Derby, Ipswich, Sheff Wed at home games plus away games against Leeds, Preston, Fulham and Brentford.

Some performances were poor like Leeds at home, Preston at Home and probably the most annoying one was Brentford at home

of those I think I only saw Boro at home. I no longer go away unless there's a special reason, and I attended no games between August and December for various reasons. If I'm honest, I've enjoyed little since the days of Mark Hughes. There's been some ok stuff in between but never consistently. Allardyce produced results and I enjoyed that but edge of seat excitement hasn't been around for a long time.

[blueboy3333]

Sick to death of people having a pop at those who chose to go. That's the damage for me.

It's very fashionable not to go to matches anymore, even people who still go love to talk about how de rigueur it is not to go. I'm sure some of the Brexiteers have principles, i know a few who do, but i also know many more who will be back at Ewood at the drop of a hat if we get Liverpool in the cup again, or are doing well in the league and pushing for promotion. The Liverpool thing is more likely.

Football fans like to follow success. Chorley and Accy seem popular places for disgruntled Roverites at the moment. I know a few who left Ewood to follow Gaz and Matty's charge up the leagues. If we mount a promotion challenge they'll be back.

Bottom line, we're down to 6-8000 of the hardcore (or happy-clapping super fans as some bizarrely call them), fans who will go regardless of the football served up or the actions of the owners. They just like watching Rovers. These fans are the lifeblood of the club and shouldn't be derided by those who have chosen to walk away just because a manager they like has also walked (the 'Lambert is Leaving' thread is quite revealing). They probably also went on the protest marches too, same as the boycotters. Neither group holds the moral high-ground, although the boycotters seem to think they do,

I understand why Blackpool fans are boycotting, their owners are taking fans to court and openly goading the fanbase. We are not Blackpool, we are not in League 2, and the Venkies aren't swindling all the promotion money or stalking Rovers MB's and taking fans to court. The Venkies are incompetent. The Oystons are pure poison.

Like i say, i personally know a couple of fans who won't go back till the Venkies have gone regardless of league position, promotion or a cup run. They have principles. They were there in the dog days of the 70's and early 80's. I'm sure there are some like that on here. I'm also sure that if we hadn't gone back up under Souness and had instead become perennial Championship sheeite-kickers then crowds would also have dropped off quite markedly after 4 years. I hope it is those more fickle fans that Cheston is aiming his comments at.

Presonally, I can't wait for the season to start. I also think the owners are dreadful and can't wait for them to leave. Stopping going won't hasten that, but it will stop some having to watch average football in a division lower than they became used to.

[den]

Yea I agree on Venkys but less fans = less money = damage to go on top. It's no excuse to start being a sarcastic pedant.

Wasn't the argument on here, that people protesting, saying that they weren't giving the owners their money, were kidding themselves and were actually making very little difference?

Now it seems they "are" hurting the owners financially.

Change of position there.

[gumboots]

I couldn't care less about the league were in and nor could most of those who won't renew. Many of them have followed rovers all over the country at grounds that weren't fit for pigs, let alone people. It's the only time though that these people have felt they are an irrelevance

[blueboy3333]

Thereby missing the whole point.

This is not our club anymore. We are irrelevant.

You are if you don't turn up. Maybe organise a protest on match day if you want your voice heard?

[JBiz]

Wasn't the argument on here, that people protesting, saying that they weren't giving the owners their money, were kidding themselves and were actually making very little difference?

Now it seems they "are" hurting the owners financially.

Change of position there.

Not really, you've still the point that we've lost more than 50% of ST holders in 5 years and they've still not budged or said "that's enough"

Boycotting ain't going to get rid IMO, doesn't change things. The position on "does 1/2m extra revenue lost, damage the chances in the near future?" does not change on that, Den.

No mistake - the damage the incompetence above has caused is 99% to this 1% but it's still restrictive.

There is no argument, we'd do better with a louder Ewood, and a few extra million to spend in cheap signings.

For all we know, the two loans Coyle mentions in the paper could be waiting for 100/200k season loan fees... Money we'd have with 2000 more season ticket sales.

[blueboy3333]

Chaddy I have no urge to buy a season ticket. Every time the club through whichever representative opens its mouth it's more lies and bluster and I'm more determined not to buy one. I honestly, brief cup run under bowyer apart, cannot remember the last time I enjoyed watching a Rovers game. I think you'll find there are still quite a lot who feel like me

So it's not the owners, it's the standard of entertainment on offer?

Fair enough, but not everyone stops going for that reason. I'm sure a lot of people do feel like you though which is why our crowds, and most other clubs crowds, fall when the team is not as successful as it once was.

[Giant]

It's ridiculous to think that billionaires will be hurt financially by a few thousand season ticket holders not renewing. What it does do is send totally demoralising signals to those who work at every level at Rovers for a living.

[AggyBlue]

It's ridiculous to think that billionaires will be hurt financially by a few thousand season ticket holders not renewing. What it does do is send totally demoralising signals to those who work at every level at Rovers for a living.

It wont hurt the owners, any financial shortfall will be lumped onto the club debt.

[den]

The bottom line really, is that it's not wise to accuse fans who are staying away because of the damage the owners are doing to the club, of damaging the club themselves!

Clumsy and a complete lack of appreciation of how all of the fans feel about the situation. Why not address their concerns rather than trying to turn the tables on them?

[ABBEY]

It's very fashionable not to go to matches anymore, even people who still go love to talk about how de rigueur it is not to go. I'm sure some of the Brexiteers have principles, i know a few who do, but i also know many more who will be back at Ewood at the drop of a hat if we get Liverpool in the cup again, or are doing well in the league and pushing for promotion. The Liverpool thing is more likely.I WILL WAGER WHATEVER YOU LIKE THAT I FOR ONE WONT BE BACK ON EWOOD UNTIL THEY LEAVE OR ACCEPT SOMETHING LIKE THE IANS OFFERED.

Football fans like to follow success. Chorley and Accy seem popular places for disgruntled Roverites at the moment. I know a few who left Ewood to follow Gaz and Matty's charge up the leagues. If we mount a promotion challenge they'll be back...NOT ARSED ABOUT GLORY HUNTING

Bottom line, we're down to 6-8000 of the hardcore (or happy-clapping super fans as some bizarrely call them), fans who will go regardless of the football served up or the actions of the owners. They just like watching Rovers. These fans are the lifeblood of the club and shouldn't be derided by those who have chosen to walk away just because a manager they like has also walked (the 'Lambert is Leaving' thread is quite revealing). They probably also went on the protest marches too, same as the boycotters. Neither group holds the moral high-ground, although the boycotters seem to think they do,RUBBISH...SOME OF THE FANS ON HERE WOULD LET THE VENKY CLAN HAVE IT AWAY WITH THERE MISSSUS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CLUB. I FOR ONE HAVE BEEN SINCE 1970 AND ITS A DECISION NOT TAKEN LIGHTLY

I understand why Blackpool fans are boycotting, their owners are taking fans to court and openly goading the fanbase. We are not Blackpool, we are not in League 2, and the Venkies aren't swindling all the promotion money or stalking Rovers MB's and taking fans to court. The Venkies are incompetent. The Oystons are pure poison. A TRUE VENKY APOLOGIST STATEMENT

Like i say, i personally know a couple of fans who won't go back till the Venkies have gone regardless of league position, promotion or a cup run. They have principles. They were there in the dog days of the 70's and early 80's. I'm sure there are some like that on here. I'm also sure that if we hadn't gone back up under Souness and had instead become perennial Championship sheeite-kickers then crowds would also have dropped off quite markedly after 4 years. I hope it is those more fickle fans that Cheston is aiming his comments at. CHESTON KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT FANS AND IS TOLD WHAT TO SAY

Presonally, I can't wait for the season to start. I also think the owners are dreadful and can't wait for them to leave. Stopping going won't hasten that, but it will stop some having to watch average football in a division lower than they became used to..YET YOU BACK THEM TO THE HILT ..STRANGE