[Archived] Renew Or Not Renew

[perthblue02]

Just seems like we are back to "the plan" part 1, appoint a manager in dodgy circumstances, divert attention from dodgy appointment with BS, over promoted venky apologist in place running the show , blame the fans , split the fan base divide and conquer, throw a bone to dissenting voices

Straight out of the project partnerships playbook

Looking forward to wee gem 2 's teary eyed sky sports appearances

[ABBEY]

So it's not the owners, it's the standard of entertainment on offer?

Fair enough, but not everyone stops going for that reason. I'm sure a lot of people do feel like you though which is why our crowds, and most other clubs crowds, fall when the team is not as successful as it once was.

ITS NOT THE OWNERS HAHAHAHA

GO ON I WILL BITE ,IF ITS NOT THE OWNERS THEN WHO HAS GOT RID OF ALL THE PREMIER LEAGUE STARS AND CONTINUE TO RUN US IN THE GROUND.EVERYTHING THESE KNOBHEADS HAVE DONE AND CONTINUE TO DO MAKES ANY ENTERTAINMENT VALUE LESS AND LESS...EVERYTHING IS DOWN TO THEM

It's ridiculous to think that billionaires will be hurt financially by a few thousand season ticket holders not renewing. What it does do is send totally demoralising signals to those who work at every level at Rovers for a living.

AND WHOSE FAULT IS THAT?

The bottom line really, is that it's not wise to accuse fans who are staying away because of the damage the owners are doing to the club, of damaging the club themselves!

Clumsy and a complete lack of appreciation of how all of the fans feel about the situation. Why not address their concerns rather than trying to turn the tables on them?

EXACTLY DEN...and the gullible on here have bought yet more venkyganda hook like and sinker

[blueboy3333]

It's very fashionable not to go to matches anymore, even people who still go love to talk about how de rigueur it is not to go. I'm sure some of the Brexiteers have principles, i know a few who do, but i also know many more who will be back at Ewood at the drop of a hat if we get Liverpool in the cup again, or are doing well in the league and pushing for promotion. The Liverpool thing is more likely.I WILL WAGER WHATEVER YOU LIKE THAT I FOR ONE WONT BE BACK ON EWOOD UNTIL THEY LEAVE OR ACCEPT SOMETHING LIKE THE IANS OFFERED.

Football fans like to follow success. Chorley and Accy seem popular places for disgruntled Roverites at the moment. I know a few who left Ewood to follow Gaz and Matty's charge up the leagues. If we mount a promotion challenge they'll be back...NOT ARSED ABOUT GLORY HUNTING

Bottom line, we're down to 6-8000 of the hardcore (or happy-clapping super fans as some bizarrely call them), fans who will go regardless of the football served up or the actions of the owners. They just like watching Rovers. These fans are the lifeblood of the club and shouldn't be derided by those who have chosen to walk away just because a manager they like has also walked (the 'Lambert is Leaving' thread is quite revealing). They probably also went on the protest marches too, same as the boycotters. Neither group holds the moral high-ground, although the boycotters seem to think they do,RUBBISH...SOME OF THE FANS ON HERE WOULD LET THE VENKY CLAN HAVE IT AWAY WITH THERE MISSSUS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CLUB. I FOR ONE HAVE BEEN SINCE 1970 AND ITS A DECISION NOT TAKEN LIGHTLY

I understand why Blackpool fans are boycotting, their owners are taking fans to court and openly goading the fanbase. We are not Blackpool, we are not in League 2, and the Venkies aren't swindling all the promotion money or stalking Rovers MB's and taking fans to court. The Venkies are incompetent. The Oystons are pure poison. A TRUE VENKY APOLOGIST STATEMENT

Like i say, i personally know a couple of fans who won't go back till the Venkies have gone regardless of league position, promotion or a cup run. They have principles. They were there in the dog days of the 70's and early 80's. I'm sure there are some like that on here. I'm also sure that if we hadn't gone back up under Souness and had instead become perennial Championship sheeite-kickers then crowds would also have dropped off quite markedly after 4 years. I hope it is those more fickle fans that Cheston is aiming his comments at. CHESTON KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT FANS AND IS TOLD WHAT TO SAY

Presonally, I can't wait for the season to start. I also think the owners are dreadful and can't wait for them to leave. Stopping going won't hasten that, but it will stop some having to watch average football in a division lower than they became used to..YET YOU BACK THEM TO THE HILT ..STRANGE

I wish you'd actually read what people write instead of what you want to read. I said SOME fans will go back when things on the pitch improve. If you won't then fair play, but then i wasn't talking to you specifically.

I've never backed Venky's 'to the hilt'. You've just made that up. You do that a lot. Strange.

[ABBEY]

Just seems like we are back to "the plan" part 1, appoint a manager in dodgy circumstances, divert attention from dodgy appointment with BS, over promoted venky apologist in place running the show , blame the fans , split the fan base divide and conquer, throw a bone to dissenting voices

Straight out of the project partnerships playbook

Looking forward to wee gem 2 's teary eyed sky sports appearances

Venkhog Day

[mhead]

BREXIT2

[blueboy3333]

ITS NOT THE OWNERS HAHAHAHA

GO ON I WILL BITE ,IF ITS NOT THE OWNERS THEN WHO HAS GOT RID OF ALL THE PREMIER LEAGUE STARS AND CONTINUE TO RUN US IN THE GROUND.EVERYTHING THESE KNOBHEADS HAVE DONE AND CONTINUE TO DO MAKES ANY ENTERTAINMENT VALUE LESS AND LESS...EVERYTHING IS DOWN TO THEM

it was a question to Gumboots, not a statement. Are you being purposefully thick?

[tomphil]

Just seems like we are back to "the plan" part 1, appoint a manager in dodgy circumstances, divert attention from dodgy appointment with BS, venky apologist in place running the show , blame the fans , split the fan base divide and conquer, throw a bone to dissenting voices

Straight out of the project partner playbook

Looking forward to wee gem 2 's sky sports appearances

Nailed it this is absolute history repeating itself and there is a dining frenzy at the trough to cover up similar to when it all started because the squad put together to replace the Prem one has matured finance wise and there have been assets to cash.

Chaos and a revolving door of players, coaches and directors last time whilst everything was sold, frozen out, moved on and replaced with lesser. Stability and calm under Bowyers gang whilst it's put back together, hide behind FFP whilst it's worth goes up again. Chaos and revolving doors begin again out of the blue whilst it gets systematically dismantled again.

Once a few more have been cashed Coyle will be left in situ to rebuild it again on a shoestring regardless of league positions then in a couple of years it'll all start again.

Absolute con job.

[gumboots]

No. You're missing the point. It's not just the standard of entertainment. I've watched some rubbish stuff in my time and still enjoyed it. I used to go to South Bank when it cost me 6d to get in. The pitch was rubbish, the ground was falling down, the players were poor but we had hope and ambition. The owners and their representatives have sucked the pleasure out of the football with their decision making or lack of it over a number of years.

At first it was possible to go because there was hope that we could make a difference. As it gradually became obvious that whatever we did or said, they took no notice, we carried on going because that was what we did. Then it got to the point where, win, lose or draw, it was almost impossible to come out of Ewood feeling jubilant.But we still cheered goals and tried to buzz a bit if we won. Then it got to the point where we realised that even standing up for a Rovers goal was almost too much of an effort because we knew at best we could expect a draw and manager after manager would say how hard we'd tried when the evidence of our own eyes told us we were watching our players being taken apart by a well organised team.

Then they tell me I have to move seats and probably pay more for the privilege. They bring in a manager who was never on our original list. He lies in his first press conference. I write to the club and they send me a photocopied letter and our chairman/CEO/press officer/managing director or whatever his official title is tells me it's all my fault and I'm damaging the club by not renewing! In what other walk of life would people not walk away.

Lack of enjoyment of the football is not the primary cause. It's a symptom of all the other garbage that goes on at Ewood nowadays. Having a season ticket would be a pleasure as it used to be if there was anything about Rovers that was recognisable from just 6 years ago. Now I find it an unnecessary irrelevance. If I chose to go to Ewood, there would be plenty of seats to choose from anyway and I can't see myself wanting to go to any unless circumstances change dramatically.

I will not, as some have suggested, be back if we draw a big club in the cup. West Ham last year showed how far we have fallen even from the season before. I may be back if Venky's leave, provided they take with them the hangers on and apologists they have appointed. I am not one to say bring on admin now and let's get it over with, but the day may soon come when I start to feel that if that's the only way to get rid then let's hope it happens as the club isn't coming back from this slow death any time soon.

[Blueandwhitemike]

Blueboy, you either haven't read many of Gumboot's (or the numerous others) posts or just not being paying attention, most on here have explained quite clearly why they are not renewing, hence the 33 pages.

JBizzle, in some ways I admire you trying to give another perspective or sometimes playing devil's advocate but I think you are really way off sometimes. I know you read these pages so you will be well aware of numerous people that are not renewing that have written to the club to explain why (enough people to not write back individually to for the most part) yet he says he doesn't understand why people are not renewing. I think that is very disrespectful (just look again at Gumboots) to people who spent time writing in to him.

Why does he need to say fans are damaging the club when he should be well aware of their views. To me, you arguing for that it is true makes you the pedantic one.

I think Cheston needs to pick up a copy of the paper and read what he has said and the way the paper has presented it, if he can't see what he has done wrong then he is in the wrong job.

Also J, doesn't Stuart still go, so he wasn't actually having a go at fans for going but rather the attitude of some who do.

[BlueMonday]

Yea I agree on Venkys but less fans = less money = damage to go on top. It's no excuse to start being a sarcastic pedant.

Well when it finally goes tits up, I think you'll find the devil was in the detail.

But you and Cheston carry on blaming us Pedants.

[Amo]

No. You're missing the point. It's not just the standard of entertainment. I've watched some rubbish stuff in my time and still enjoyed it. I used to go to South Bank when it cost me 6d to get in. The pitch was rubbish, the ground was falling down, the players were poor but we had hope and ambition. The owners and their representatives have sucked the pleasure out of the football with their decision making or lack of it over a number of years. At first it was possible to go because there was hope that we could make a difference. As it gradually became obvious that whatever we did or said, they took no notice, we carried on going because that was what we did. Then it got to the point where, win, lose or draw, it was almost impossible to come out of Ewood feeling jubilant.But we still cheered goals and tried to buzz a bit if we won. Then it got to the point where we realised that even standing up for a Rovers goal was almost too much of an effort because we knew at best we could expect a draw and manager after manager would say how hard we'd tried when the evidence of our own eyes told us we were watching our players being taken apart by a well organised team. Then they tell me I have to move seats and probably pay more for the privilege. They bring in a manager who was never on our original list. He lies in his first press conference. I write to the club and they send me a photocopied letter and our chairman/CEO/press officer/managing director or whatever his official title is tells me it's all my fault and I'm damaging the club by not renewing! In what other walk of life would people not walk away. Lack of enjoyment of the football is not the primary cause. It's a symptom of all the other garbage that goes on at Ewood nowadays. Having a season ticket would be a pleasure as it used to be if there was anything about Rovers that was recognisable from just 6 years ago. Now I find it an unnecessary irrelevance. If I chose to go to Ewood, there would be plenty of seats to choose from anyway and I can't see myself wanting to go to any unless circumstances change dramatically. I will not, as some have suggested, be back if we draw a big club in the cup. West Ham last year showed how far we have fallen even from the season before. I may be back if Venky's leave, provided they take with them the hangers on and apologists they have appointed. I am not one to say bring on admin now and let's get it over with, but the day may soon come when I start to feel that if that's the only way to get rid then let's hope it happens as the club isn't coming back from this slow death any time soon.

Nice prose, well thought out, but lacked paragraphs. See me after class.

[gumboots]

Sorry Problem is you can't see what you've written in its entirety till you post the whole thing. I'll go back and edit it if you like. And after I defended you earlier!

[JBiz]

Why does a plea to the fans result in attacks on other supporters? Sarcastic, unnecessary swipes at other season ticket holders?

I can't see how you can defend that! if that's playing devils advocate, then perhaps the definition is different on BRFCS

[blueboy3333]

Blueboy, you either haven't read many of Gumboot's (or the numerous others) posts or just not being paying attention, most on here have explained quite clearly why they are not renewing, hence the 33 pages.

I've just read Gumboot's response and she explained her reasons. I can understand them completely. I have mates who think the same. It's not quite what she said in the post i responded too though. I obviously haven't read many of her posts if i was supposed to know what she meant.

[gumboots]

You can make a plea to fans without telling them it's their fault in the first place.

[JBiz]

Well when it finally goes tits up, I think you'll find the devil was in the detail.

But you and Cheston carry on blaming us Pedants.

Supporters make their own decisions. We can question the club all day long but it's hard to ignore less business will have a knock on.

Did I say the sum total of our downfall is the fans? I really don't know why I bother.

You can make a plea to fans without telling them it's their fault in the first place.

It doesn't say that. I've read it twice. I couldn't read Neals cheston thread because it's probably more of the same "pick a word out of 500 and focus on that in all its gory"..

Do I think the communications, could, should be better? Ofcourse, but as many times before on this website, I fail to be as angered from an interview in the LET.

[Stuart]

I understand why Blackpool fans are boycotting, their owners are taking fans to court and openly goading the fanbase. We are not Blackpool, we are not in League 2, and the Venkies aren't swindling all the promotion money or stalking Rovers MB's and taking fans to court. The Venkies are incompetent. The Oystons are pure poison.

This is an unbelievable position to take. Empathy for rival fans but none for those who feel driven away from the club we all love. Utterly obtuse.

It's becoming a simpler and simpler choice as each week passes. To move forward again, we must be rid of the 'poor old incompetent' Venkys, even if we are starting over completely. Until then we go backwards every season. You ca only blame your customers so often before they stop buying - even in a tribal monopoly such as a football club. Venkys are all about not losing face. An empty stadium would be humiliating for them. It would make the few hundred protesting on match day have a much louder voice in comparison. They and their business associates could not soon that.

The hardcore happy-clapping superfan MUST be onside for the next protests to work. It's no use people pointing at the Action Group and laying the blame at their members for giving up when they did their bit and rid us of Kean. Even if they started up again, there are still too many who would turn on them in defence of the status quo.

2010/11 - 25,000

2011/12 - 22,551

2012/13 - 14,997

2013/14 - 14,962

2014/15 - 14,912

2015/16 - 14,131

2016/17 - 6,000 home fans signed up

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/blar.htm

[Doug]

Supporters make their own decisions. We can question the club all day long but it's hard to ignore less business will have a knock on.

Did I say the sum total of our downfall is the fans? I really don't know why I bother.

It doesn't say that. I've read it twice. I couldn't read Neals cheston thread because it's probably more of the same "pick a word out of 500 and focus on that in all its gory"..

Do I think the communications, could, should be better? Ofcourse, but as many times before on this website, I fail to be as angered from an interview in the LET.

It's the BRexit way of justification

[Al]

Yea I agree on Venkys but less fans = less money = damage to go on top. It's no excuse to start being a sarcastic pedant.

I know what you are saying, and I have renewed, but isn't the idea of boycotting to damage the club? I think that the hope is that if the club is damaged enough that the Venkys will give up and sell up. I can't see any other reason for it. I just can't bring myself to do it, although I sympathise with those who do.

[Tom]

I couldn't care less about the league were in and nor could most of those who won't renew. Many of them have followed rovers all over the country at grounds that weren't fit for pigs, let alone people. It's the only time though that these people have felt they are an irrelevance

I don't doubt you and your intentions but I disagree that it's most of the non renewers.

I would confidently wager that if we got promoted (won't happen) a large percentage of those would be back.

[blueboy3333]

This is an unbelievable position to take. Empathy for rival fans but none for those who feel driven away from the club we all love. Utterly obtuse.

You're the one being obtuse. I didn't say I had no sympathy because i do, but only for those who won't return on principle because of the way the owners run the club. I have none for those who just can't be arsed cos we're not very good anymore. Those 'fans' exist whether you care to admit it or not.

[Amo]

If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

[Blueandwhitemike]

Why does a plea to the fans result in attacks on other supporters? Sarcastic, unnecessary swipes at other season ticket holders?

I can't see how you can defend that! if that's playing devils advocate, then perhaps the definition is different on BRFCS

I was pointing out that you're complaint about Stuart's post was a little off, though I agree that blaming other fans doesn't help.

I understand his point though, and why he feels that way, it's frustration at them as without them most protest will be ineffective. I would think you would be able to see what he is saying and why.

What Cheston said was insulting to those who have written to him and explained their reasons for not renewing. And although, quite clearly, he wasn't blaming those fans for the current predicament, he did say they are damaging the club. IF an angry/upset/unhappy fan hears that, how do you think they will react? At the very least it was a very poor way of expressing himself, if not to say downright stupid.

[tomphil]

Cheston just went about it all wrong though and it just shows how deluded they are behind the scenes which is worrying. Almost as daft as Lambert and one or two others expressing their surprise at the depth of feeling in the last couple of games towards Venkys when he himself had done nothing but have sly digs at them for weeks.

Nobody in their right mind in the club or in the town can have any doubt about the depth of feeling so to come out with it the way he did is ridiculous. He should just have left it at 'your club needs you, the team needs you' all correct and fair enough.

[blueboy3333]

If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

If you're sure what the solution is, you're probably wrong.

Confucius, 530 BC