[Archived] Protest Ideas...

[tomphil]

Yes but question is why go through the trouble of frauding a bank by taking loan from them against land which they allegedly did not own just to spend it on BRFC? So they they could sell players at a profit? And that profit went where? They paid back to India? Then it must surely show in their detailed books of accounts of VLL.

Money has not come from or to Venky's the publicly listed company as nothing is mentioned regarding VLL or BRFC in any of their books in terms of income or expense since they took over. Which is precisely why the shareholders are NOT bothered.

Then you look at contracts like Steve Keans and wonder just why he was being paid a double salary for a certain amount of time. Why not just pay him 3 mill a year instead of two wages at the same time. Where was that going, certainly not an Indian bank

Also I didn't mention a bank it would be easier to borrow under those circumstances from somewhere else. A rich investor, acquaintance, consortium or from somewhere like Brunei lol

And I did say my bit was made up not alleged or conspiracy. Just saying it's the type of thing someone like Syed would pull.

[punerover]

So you are saying , club being funded by third party?

I dont know. There is no way to tell without looking at the books. I am just re-iterating what some fans on this msg board have been saying for the last couple of years. But Venky's the listed company is surely not the place to look. Its too public. The money has to have come from some private source. Maybe the Venky's had enough cash to their personal names. I do not know.

[glen9mullan]

I have heard tale of Land being security for a long time, however no one has seen one document to support this theory.

Ewood staff do get paid via the Bank of India, but the funds if not from Venkys then where?

I still cant help going back to Keans contract and the additional salary of £1.6 million he received each season , come rain or shine. I'm certain that payment and the reasons for that payment is the missing link and thats where my focus currently is RE investigation

Then you look at contracts like Steve Keans and wonder just why he was being paid a double salary for a certain amount of time. Why not just pay him 3 mill a year instead of two wages at the same time. Where was that going, certainly not an Indian bank

Great minds lol

[punerover]

Then you look at contracts like Steve Keans and wonder just why he was being paid a double salary for a certain amount of time. Why not just pay him 3 mill a year instead of two wages at the same time. Where was that going, certainly not an Indian bank

Agreed. But I dont see anything concrete that it was going to Venky's personal accounts. Its possible it could be, but I assumed large cash payments or transactions are not easy to do in the UK without going un-noticed. I could be very wrong ofcourse. Unless the money was channeled in ways that we are not aware of, or it was paid to certain other "influential" people whom we dont know.

[AllRoverAsia]

Good to meet another insomniac punerover .

[punerover]

Good to meet another insomniac punerover .

Being 5 and half ahead of GMT does not help specially during an interesting discussion

[AllRoverAsia]

Being 5 and half ahead of GMT does not help specially during an interesting discussion

Google is so good

[punerover]

Its worth it though, one meets interesting people who share buckets full of information

[Iceman]

Because nobody would like to cut open the hen who gave the golden egg. Greed.

I wouldnt mind kicking that Hens head in if its a Venkys Hen.

KFC hen is okay with me.

[K-Hod]

Correct. But what was in it for him? What exactly was the deal? That the Venky's buy the club for 40 million and give him/his company a million as brokerage? Does not sound very ambitious does it?

Will you stop with this carrot dangling and trolling and simply get to the point please?

[Paul]

I'm sure I read some posts last night concerning another Indian newspaper article which was to publish over night. It promised new information.

Has anyone seen this? I can't find the posts - there are so many on this subject - from last night so this may be the wrong thread to ask.

[glen9mullan]

I'm sure I read some posts last night concerning another Indian newspaper article which was to publish over night. It promised new information.

Has anyone seen this? I can't find the posts - there are so many on this subject - from last night so this may be the wrong thread to ask.

I believe it was submitted to the editor at around 1.15 a.m UK time this morning, So I suspect it will appear at some point today.

I posted yesterday evening; saying within 24 hours, its been 12

[MrT]

Been chatting to Will Straw who says he's more than happy to help out with PR, organisation, resources etc. Potential figure head for united fans group? He's is on holiday at the moment but has said once he's back he's happy to help

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[Paul]

I believe it was submitted to the editor at around 1.15 a.m UK time this morning, So I suspect it will appear at some point today.

I posted yesterday evening; saying within 24 hours, its been 12

Ah. Thanks Glen. I was reading and watching Poldark at the same time! I thought publication was overnight and obviously misunderstood. I blame Ross Poldark.

[Athlete]

Firstly, I believe that it is crucial to keep the club in the Championship this season if we are to attact the right buyer if Venky's ever leave. Hence why I will support the players on the pitch for 90 minutes. Secondly, I believe that any pressure that is put on Venky's will have to be done via the Indian media. Having said that, the various Charity work which has been reported that they do in Pune - in terms of feeding the poor and providing healthcare for those less fortunate - may well prove difficult to counter. I suspect the ordinary Indian citizen of that city has far more to worry about than a football club they are unlikely to have heard of on the other side of the world.

So PB what do you suggest we do.. Just roll over.. A bit like the side did back at white Hart lane

[blueboy3333]

http://www.newindianexpress.com/sport/Chicken-run-Blackburn-fans-chase-Venkys-to-India-plan-protest-during-Pune-ODI/2016/09/04/article3611402.ece

not sure if this is the new article?

[Madon]

http://www.newindianexpress.com/sport/Chicken-run-Blackburn-fans-chase-Venkys-to-India-plan-protest-during-Pune-ODI/2016/09/04/article3611402.ece

not sure if this is the new article?

No mate it isn't, but a good article nonetheless - more exposure where it matters.

[blueboy3333]

No mate it isn't, but a good article nonetheless - more exposure where it matters.

Cheers. So much stuff to wade through at the moment. I've mentioned it before but can one of the mods 'sticky' a thread that all past and current media articles can be put into relating to agents, owners, protests etc. It would make it a lot easier for people to find them. There's loads out there from the past 6 years . It would be a great resource for anyone involved in the protests.

For any Rovers fan new to all this, and for any fan in general who wants to know what has gone on at this club in the last 6 years, it can mostly all be gleaned from articles written by a few clued-up journo's.

This site is becoming a bit of a hub for the protests so it perhaps needs better organising. Same goes for the protests themselves. Not a criticism because everyone has lives to lead but the protests are getting a lot of attention at the moment so a cohesive plan is needed before it all fizzles out to nothing.

Whoever is interested in being on a committee need to email/PM/text/whatever each other and get together and form a specific protest group before all the momentum is lost. It can include members from all the other supporters/action groups but it needs to deal with nothing but organising protests and raising awareness. No point posting good ideas on here if they just get lost amongst all the other ideas and rants...including this one!

[glen9mullan]

Just read draft of article and got to say wow,

Im going getting my tin hat, if anyone ask if you know Glen Mullan, tell em he has emigrated to the another planet :-(

[Leonard Venkhater]

Just read draft of article and got to say wow,

Im going getting my tin hat, if anyone ask if you know Glen Mullan, tell em he has emigrated to the another planet :-(

Wow...in a good way?LOL

[Parsonblue]

So PB what do you suggest we do..

I wish I knew the answer. I'm not convinced that protests like 18/75 will have any impact on the owners in India. In terms of raising awareness in the media in this country, I think that has been done but, let's be honest, clubs like Rovers, Charlton and Blackpool are always going to take second place to the Premier League clubs in the media. Sadly, the Premier League is now the only thing that matters to our media these days. The articles which have appeared in India have been excellent thus far. I suspect getting rid of the owners will be far from easy. As Glen has repeatedly said the authorities simply don't want to know. I'm reminded of the quote attributed to Lenin about everything being connected to everything else and suspect that there are stones that nobody wants to look under in case of what they find - far easier to ignore it and move on. In many ways I still believe that India will be the key to putting their ownership under the spotlight. In the short term I believe that retaining Championship status is vital for the long term future of the club as I'm convinced that finding a potential buyer will be easier if we are just one step away from the riches of the Premier League rather than languishing in League One or League Two. I honestly don't believe protests at Ewood will rid us of these owners. I know many on here have a totally different view which I fully respect, but at the end of the day everyone has to make their own mind up as to how to react to the present situation. Unless clear evidence of wrongdoing is uncovered - and clearly it hasn't at this point or investigative journalists would have been all over it - then it is difficult to see a way forward in terms of getting them to sell.

[Bennisfromheaven]

Cheers. So much stuff to wade through at the moment. I've mentioned it before but can one of the mods 'sticky' a thread that all past and current media articles can be put into relating to agents, owners, protests etc. It would make it a lot easier for people to find them. There's loads out there from the past 6 years . It would be a great resource for anyone involved in the protests.

Good Idea!

A thread for articles that have gained media exposure or that provide significant detail in the fight to get our club back would be a good way to track developments.

It will be a long road and using such a thread may aid those looking for information!

[chor808]

I wish I knew the answer. I'm not convinced that protests like 18/75 will have any impact on the owners in India. In terms of raising awareness in the media in this country, I think that has been done but, let's be honest, clubs like Rovers, Charlton and Blackpool are always going to take second place to the Premier League clubs in the media. Sadly, the Premier League is now the only thing that matters to our media these days. The articles which have appeared in India have been excellent thus far. I suspect getting rid of the owners will be far from easy. As Glen has repeatedly said the authorities simply don't want to know. I'm reminded of the quote attributed to Lenin about everything being connected to everything else and suspect that there are stones that nobody wants to look under in case of what they find - far easier to ignore it and move on. In many ways I still believe that India will be the key to putting their ownership under the spotlight. In the short term I believe that retaining Championship status is vital for the long term future of the club as I'm convinced that finding a potential buyer will be easier if we are just one step away from the riches of the Premier League rather than languishing in League One or League Two. I honestly don't believe protests at Ewood will rid us of these owners. I know many on here have a totally different view which I fully respect, but at the end of the day everyone has to make their own mind up as to how to react to the present situation. Unless clear evidence of wrongdoing is uncovered - and clearly it hasn't at this point or investigative journalists would have been all over it - then it is difficult to see a way forward in terms of getting them to sell.

You are right in many of the statements you make there Parsonblue, I'm sure the 18/75 will not force them to sell however it will be seen if enough people do it and it will raise more questions about their ownership. At this point is it a good plan because it is simple, does not break the law or rules and keeps things going. There is no silverbullit to getting rid of them however we need to show that we are united and will not give in. I understand not boycotting (I've been one once this year so much for my boycott), no one should be critisised for going on the ground, however I cannot understand anyone not wanting to take part in the 18/75 protest. The only people not involved should be those who do not know it is on. A few minutes in one game is not going to break the season, I'll be going to this game and dragging a few others and we will carryout the 18/75.

[Iceman]

Wow...in a good way?LOL

i also want to know, if that was wow in a good or bad way. lol All these cryptic messages lol

Just read draft of article and got to say wow,

Im going getting my tin hat, if anyone ask if you know Glen Mullan, tell em he has emigrated to the another planet :-(

We have never heard of a Glen Mullan before

[Paul]

I'm very much in agreement with Parsonblue on this though I will participate in a legal protest at Ewood. I won't go near anything with the potential to get arrested.

With regard to the footballing authorities I think one thing is clear, money is at the root of this in every aspect. We do not know much of what has been shown to the FA, FL etc. and whether or not it shows FA/FL regulations have been broken or illegal activity has taken place.

The PL is a multi-billion £ industry. The individuals and companies alleged to be involved may have power, influence and tentacles which spread throughout the game. Rovers are no longer a PL club and we have dropped off the radar, our relegation was possibly a relief in some quarters. None of the parties involved will want a sniff in the media to suggest anything is or has been "wrong" in the PL. If no regulations have been broken, no laws breached, and we are simply talking of morality no one will care.

Everything is interconnected. There is too much money involved and with too much money comes excessive power and influence and the potential for corruption.

The harsh reality is it will take a Sepp Blatter type exposure from journalists who see the PL as the target to take us further in the UK.

To my mind the very best opportunity and most effective target is the family and their businesses in India.