[Archived] Why Do Venky's Continue To Own Us?

[Norbert Rassragr]

Nah, those Arabs are shallow and would only buy a 'big name' club, or one in a desirable location (PSG). And if Venky's sent an Indian to there for negotiations they'd have their passport confiscated and sent to the building site.

[yoda]

You would think a good salesman sent round Qatar or some other stupid rich oil country would easily be able to sell Rovers, on its rich history and cracking facilities.

China is the place

[Spalding Rover]

Nah, those Arabs are shallow and would only buy a 'big name' club, or one in a desirable location (PSG). And if Venky's sent an Indian to there for negotiations they'd have their passport confiscated and sent to the building site.

God i hope all 3 of them go there personally to try sell Rovers! Love to see them try do a days work!

They should be sending someone to every country trying to do whats best for Rovers.

[tomphil]

Well they were said not long ago to have a cash pile of £400 million in a bank account so surely they ain't burned through that lot yet.

All this face saving stuff is a bit strange because plenty over there will be aware of the mess they continue to make over here so that in itself should be a source of embarrassment. Face saving would surely mean getting things running properly and getting a bit of positive PR now and again.

I wouldn't put it past them to go around boasting of the fact they are underwriting a famous old English football club to the tune of 20 mill per season just to keep it running as an act of their generosity like the temple they feed the poor in, allegedly. Rather than face saving it's just a status booster.

[Norbert Rassragr]

I think Qatar and Abu Dhabi have their share of clubs, Dubai's economy is a castle built on sand, Saudi Arabia are too busy funding IS and beheading women for driving and Bahrain and Oman aren't interested. Some Chinese/Malaysian/Singaporean billionaire might fancy a go after seeing what Leicester have done, but there are better prospects available (Villa, Wolves, West Brom, Derby).

[Spalding Rover]

I think Qatar and Abu Dhabi have their share of clubs, Dubai's economy is a castle built on sand, Saudi Arabia are too busy funding IS and beheading women for driving and Bahrain and Oman aren't interested. Some Chinese/Malaysian/Singaporean billionaire might fancy a go after seeing what Leicester have done, but there are better prospects available (Villa, Wolves, West Brom, Derby).

Yeah that is very true, but surely we would be loads cheaper can't imagine 1 of them teams being cheaper then what venkys paid for blackburn, but then again would a billionaire be bothered if it cost a extra 100m, but I'm pretty sure a decent salesman could sell the club really well, few videos of trophies and celebrations with wood full don't think it would be that hard? coming from double glazing industry i can recommend some really good lying salesman if they want some!

[Blue blood]

Don't buy all this talk about them wanting to 'save face'. No one cares about football in India, let alone second division football.

But culturally its a huge honour shame culture. In some ways the fact we're a football club is irrelevant. It's not the type of business which matters, it's whether they lose face or not, by admitting failure in the project. Selling up etc now would be a huge loss of face to them and an admission of them making a mistake in buying us. They feel they can't allow that to happen.

Very alien to us and massively different culturally. But it's a huge part of the problem facing us.

Being idiotic is the other part along with having no clue how to rectify it. So they won't let go and have no idea of how to fix it.

[tomphil]

We'll likely just be another toy whoever takes over aside from genuine local ownership like the Clampets & North End. Not bothered if it was someone with not much funds as it's all about rebuilding the infrastructure along similar lines to those two rivals.

That will never ever happen under this lot even if they threw money at it. Of course if they did do that and we got lucky and got up again then that would paper over the cracks for a while but sooner or later we'd end up in some similar mess again. These type of people just do not learn from mistakes they just plough on thinking they can do no wrong and leaving others to clear up the mess they continually make.

They must have some real good old business heads running their core businesses because it surely can't be those 3 bird brains.

Get out.

[Stuart]

Is there any out that Venkys have which would not see them lose face?

They won't make a profit. (It's not worth what they paid).

Nobody can afford to take on the debt.

Could they keep on as owners (as they seem to be doing) but bring in a third party close to the club to run it for them - e.g. the RoversTrust and Seneca? Rather than try to buy it off them on the cheap could they become a partner. Accept that they won't have any cash to spend but work towards helping to put us back on a decent footing - able to react more quickly. Maybe over time Venkys could pass more responsibility to them. Maybe if somebody was able to get in touch with Pasha he could help to broker something? Any thoughts Sergei?

[Norbert Rassragr]

Yeah that is very true, but surely we would be loads cheaper can't imagine 1 of them teams being cheaper then what venkys paid for blackburn, but then again would a billionaire be bothered if it cost a extra 100m, but I'm pretty sure a decent salesman could sell the club really well, few videos of trophies and celebrations with wood full don't think it would be that hard? coming from double glazing industry i can recommend some really good lying salesman if they want some!

I remember going for that once when I was unemployed. The job description said it was a leaflet distributor for £250 p/w. In fact you'd be the cold caller trying to book an appointment, on which your wages depended on. I left halfway through the 'training' as I couldn't bear the sleazy spivs.

As for our price, I can see the Raos demanding their share of the debt as well as what they paid.

[Spalding Rover]

I remember going for that once when I was unemployed. The job description said it was a leaflet distributor for £250 p/w. In fact you'd be the cold caller trying to book an appointment, on which your wages depended on. I left halfway through the 'training' as I couldn't bear the sleazy spivs.

As for our price, I can see the Raos demanding their share of the debt as well as what they paid.

There is some very disgusting companies out there worst being set up and owned by Indians one of the largest in the country! they charge crazy prices for crap just what i would expect Venkys to do when putting a price on Rovers!

[VinjayV4]

Bit of new info on Pasha who Rishi Sikka (made the fall of Rovers documentary) has been in contact with for a few years. Presumably since the documentary was in the works or completed. Pasha once said he was disgusted because Sikka said Venkys were at fault for the clubs downfall. Considering I've been told Pasha has an active dislike for Anderson (and as Sikka said why would any of them like him...and I know there's no doubt they certainly don't these days) presumably he sees SEM/Kentaro 100% at fault. Or of course he's just an out and out stooge which isn't exactly a rare accusation towards many employees.

[Leonard Venkhater]

Bit of new info on Pasha who Rishi Sikka (made the fall of Rovers documentary) has been in contact with for a few years. Presumably since the documentary was in the works or completed. Pasha once said he was disgusted because Sikka said Venkys were at fault for the clubs downfall. Considering I've been told Pasha has an active dislike for Anderson (and as Sikka said why would any of them like him...and I know there's no doubt they certainly don't these days) presumably he sees SEM/Kentaro 100% at fault. Or of course he's just an out and out stooge which isn't exactly a rare accusation towards many employees.

Well I thought the documentary was all noise and very little substance. I was disappointed....no cutting edge...

[47er]

China is the place

We would be done over yet again! Only answer from fans point of view is a consortium of local businessmen combined with the community------fans, local business sponsers, council etc.

No more spivs.

[VinjayV4]

Well I thought the documentary was all noise and very little substance. I was disappointed....no cutting edge...

Well I wasn't offering a review just naming a Rovers fan who's actually spoken to Pasha. Sikka also said said Pasha makes decisions and sets goals that are unachievable in his opinion. Will do best by Balaji and family which perhaps is an indication of which family member he's closest to. Advisor at best, no footballing knowhow and "another Singh" only quieter.

[tomphil]

I did have thoughts he's probably just a watered down version of Shebby. Whatever he is he'll just be another who shouldn't be anywhere near running our club. They'll bring in their flooking postman next when they get fed up as this adviser. Wonder what fantastic title they've given him ?

[Spalding Rover]

Didn't PL stat last month or two that the club is being run wrong by non football people?

I might be wrong but I'm sure i read it in one of his interviews around same time about story of Myers will come out.

[tomphil]

He said something along those lines I think. Could have been a dig at anyone of a huge number though

[Spalding Rover]

Him and his team was probably the only ones there that new what a football was! Scary times.

[SoldierMo]

Sikka made a tweet today about keeping an eye out for an article that will be interesting regarding the takeover and what followed..anybody else seen this tweet?

[VinjayV4]

No doubt the same matter spoken of by Glen Mullan recently.

Before everyone starts jumping for joy,

Facebook is facebook, twittee is twitter and the truth tends to be a million miles away from the hype.

A little knowledge is dangerous as they say!!!!!!!

I saw it all circulating facebook yesterday where a tale has been put together, spiced up, spiced up some more and now spiced up to levels where I wouldnt be surprised if any pending story is actually pulled.

One day rovers fans will learn to stop sensationalising things .

All i will say on the matter is what I said a couple of weeks back that some additional information has come to light which is being investigated by a member of the press. Given the sudden rumour mill, it would not surprise me if Lawyers are now all over this to prevent it seeing the the light of day.

Talk of dossiers being released is a total fabrication unless the Action Group are releasing it , which Im certain they are not.

Talk of criminal proceedings is also very wide of the mark and libel too.

I suggest people leave this alone and whatever story comes out they then discuss without inventing a mountain of theories which may just prevent another initiative being exstinguished by its own supporters

[Blue blood]

Is there any out that Venkys have which would not see them lose face?

They won't make a profit. (It's not worth what they paid).

Nobody can afford to take on the debt.

Could they keep on as owners (as they seem to be doing) but bring in a third party close to the club to run it for them - e.g. the RoversTrust and Seneca? Rather than try to buy it off them on the cheap could they become a partner. Accept that they won't have any cash to spend but work towards helping to put us back on a decent footing - able to react more quickly. Maybe over time Venkys could pass more responsibility to them. Maybe if somebody was able to get in touch with Pasha he could help to broker something? Any thoughts Sergei?

That's the right question to ask Imo but it's so hard to do. As you say though nothing short of promotion AND staying there a few years would make us viable to sell.

I like your suggestion of someone else running it but again am not sure that wouldn't be losing face as it highlights they need help. Also any 3rd party involvement would do things very differently, again showing them up.

Of course in football having experts like a ceo and manager in place calling the shots is the norm but that's not their way and previous bad advice will further put them off it. But again their mix of stupidity and pride won't allow this to happen.

(appreciate I'm not sergi but thought it was a good post warrentinf a response.)

[Stuart]

That's the right question to ask Imo but it's so hard to do. As you say though nothing short of promotion AND staying there a few years would make us viable to sell.

I like your suggestion of someone else running it but again am not sure that wouldn't be losing face as it highlights they need help. Also any 3rd party involvement would do things very differently, again showing them up.

Of course in football having experts like a ceo and manager in place calling the shots is the norm but that's not their way and previous bad advice will further put them off it. But again their mix of stupidity and pride won't allow this to happen.

(appreciate I'm not sergi but thought it was a good post warrentinf a response.)

Something that Lambert himself has said more than once this past few days.

As they have proven themselves incapable, or unreachable, if they don't accept help at some point then we are doomed to repeat the past mistakes over and over, as we fall lower and lower. At best.

[MCMC1875]

They shared cucumber butties with Queenie after paying for the emulsion for Blackburn Cathedral.

[Blue blood]

Something that Lambert himself has said more than once this past few days.

As they have proven themselves incapable, or unreachable, if they don't accept help at some point then we are doomed to repeat the past mistakes over and over, as we fall lower and lower. At best.

I agree it needs to happen. They are utterly clueless at best and since they're incapable logic dictates the rescue of our club has to be external input into Venkys. And it needs to happen in a way that stops them losing face - as in it needs to be there idea (or at least they think it was.)

Problem is their lack of knowledge of the industry,and their pathetic need to be handled so gently, means that even when approved help comes in (such as that Hunt bloke or Lambert) as soon as they tell them a few home truths Venkys get the hump. Not surprising as all remedial action shows how badly they've screwed up and is not good for their honour. In some ways even getting in the help is pointless as they won't like or listen to what they say.

What i struggle to understand is why that is/how you're able to get them to agree things. Shabby, Kean and JA managed it, so it is possible. Or perhaps they are now so burned by those experiences that they won't take advice from anyone. But someone must have guided them to get in an experienced chap like Lambert, I can't imagine it's there idea after 5+ years of doing the reverse, which suggests they're not totally closed to help. Yet then they go back on that plan within months like a bizarre form of bi-polar.

i think I need to give it a rest and conclude trying to understand Venkys is impossible!