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[JHRover]

I am warming to the idea of Joyce. The reason being we are a Championship team With a bad bunch of players. In no means do our players deserve a top not manager. The most important part for me is that the manager has the ability to create team spirit and get the players to fight for him. It looks as if Warren Joyce has these attributes.

It might well end in tears, but a 12 month contract to an experienced manager who might not be able to make the players performing seems like a worse idea.

Correct - we are a Championship team with a bad bunch of players. The hope should therefore be to become a Championship team with a good bunch of players, and in my opinion to do that you need a manager that knows the Championship, that knows the transfer market, and can wheel and deal in a short space of time to give us a fighting chance. The new manager needs to be able to drag every single percent of effort and fight from these players, something people like Warnock and Davies are seasoned experts at doing.

Its a completely unnecessary and risky gamble to take with our Championship status, and its being considered for all the wrong reasons. Joyce isn't being considered because they expect him to come in and lead us to promotion or the play-offs. He's being considered because of his record with kids and bringing through youth. He's not being looked upon as a potential manager, but rather a potential development coach to bring through young players and sell them on at a profit. On the pitch results and success are not the priority, so down we go to League One.

Anyone remember the "we can loan players" Desai quote? One of the main benefits of hiring Joyce when comparing him to other choices is this built in affiliation with man united!

It could obviously end in tears, and that's with any manager but I still have to say, from what I've read I think WJ is a better choice than Ainsworth, Hill, Redfearn, Dunny, etc.

If he's working with Irvine and Kelly, I would suggest that they may have had some input into this process!

There's no reason to think he'll be ahead of Hughes, Bruce or any of the other ex-United players/coaches who've gone into management in the queue for their loan players. Besides, if the aim is to develop our own lads to sell at a profit then why bring in United kids that will be of no financial worth to BRFC? Not to mention other clubs would be prepared to pay bigger loan fees and wage percentages as part of any loan than we could.

Whatever advantage Joyce has with his United connections is completely outstripped by the vast advantages to be had of appointing a manager with a network of contacts built up over several years of management across a range of clubs.

So looks like Warnock not coming,not that bothered,looked at his stats and not as good as I thought,good motivator and does well to avoid relegation,but at the end of the day he has said 1 more year,now,he's going to go for one last pay day,and living in Cornwall is a big disadvantage,he admitted he only worked Thursday-Saturday at Rotherham and probably demanded same at Rovers,we need a manager 7 days a week in our current state,one name who has the best championship record is Billy Davies,not the most likeable guy,but a hell of a record at this level,I think it will end up between him and Warren Joyce,well respected in the football world at lower level but still a gamble,but sometimes they work out,as did Aidkins,Mcdemott,Martinez,Rodgers,bit of a lottery picking a manager..

Living in Cornwall and only working Thursday-Saturday at Rotherham didn't do them any harm.

Davies would be my choice. Having been out for so long he's eager to get back and repair his reputation after Forest, and I think this could be last chance saloon for him. If he started falling out with people here then he'd be unemployable in future, so I think he would need to bite his tongue here. Won't happen though, because we all know when sensible, proven managerial candidates voice their interest in the Rovers job they immediately get overlooked for some rookie. How many times has it happened in the last 10 years? Ince, Kean, Berg, Appleton, Bowyer and now this one.

[K-Hod]

I am warming to the idea of Joyce. The reason being we are a Championship team With a bad bunch of players. In no means do our players deserve a top not manager. The most important part for me is that the manager has the ability to create team spirit and get the players to fight for him. It looks as if Warren Joyce has these attributes.

It might well end in tears, but a 12 month contract to an experienced manager who might not be able to make the players performing seems like a worse idea.

If we hire a youth coach rather than an experienced manager, that is far more likely.......

[Tricky]

warnock odds shortening, joyce now drifting, coyle now down to 6s

[JBiz]

Correct - we are a Championship team with a bad bunch of players. The hope should therefore be to become a Championship team with a good bunch of players, and in my opinion to do that you need a manager that knows the Championship, that knows the transfer market, and can wheel and deal in a short space of time to give us a fighting chance. The new manager needs to be able to drag every single percent of effort and fight from these players, something people like Warnock and Davies are seasoned experts at doing.

Its a completely unnecessary and risky gamble to take with our Championship status, and its being considered for all the wrong reasons. Joyce isn't being considered because they expect him to come in and lead us to promotion or the play-offs. He's being considered because of his record with kids and bringing through youth. He's not being looked upon as a potential manager, but rather a potential development coach to bring through young players and sell them on at a profit. On the pitch results and success are not the priority, so down we go to League One.

There's no reason to think he'll be ahead of Hughes, Bruce or any of the other ex-United players/coaches who've gone into management in the queue for their loan players. Besides, if the aim is to develop our own lads to sell at a profit then why bring in United kids that will be of no financial worth to BRFC? Not to mention other clubs would be prepared to pay bigger loan fees and wage percentages as part of any loan than we could.

Whatever advantage Joyce has with his United connections is completely outstripped by the vast advantages to be had of appointing a manager with a network of contacts built up over several years of management across a range of clubs.

Like Paul lambert? I think you are missing a huge part of the equation JHR, to win watches you need a good squad and setup. Part of the comes from choosing the right players to sign and if we simply cannot spend money we've got to develop our own for the first team.

How do you sell players? When they get to 21 just stick the sign up or on transfer market? No you get them playing well so ther teams are interested.

If we are in a position like Blackpool, as it keeps being mentioned, short term free loans through affiliations can give us a stronger first team, never mind developing them.

Would every Blackburn rovers fan prefer a huge transfer kitty and another "Mark Hughes"? Course they would.

[Blue Cabbage]

I can't look it's like a bloody car crash, I'm going to try to not look at my phone til I get home.

Although will probably be back on before half 10

[Athlete]

I am warming to the idea of Joyce. The reason being we are a Championship team With a bad bunch of players. In no means do our players deserve a top not manager. The most important part for me is that the manager has the ability to create team spirit and get the players to fight for him. It looks as if Warren Joyce has these attributes.

It might well end in tears, but a 12 month contract to an experienced manager who might not be able to make the players performing seems like a worse idea.

Your sounding just like some of those who are commenting on the LT today

No one I have spoken too wants Joyce we need someone with a track record who can keep us in the Championship not someone who may or may not bring kids through and sell them on at a profit

We're fighting it out with the promoted sides and Rotherham possibly Bristol city for the Drop we need battlers

As appoint Joyce be better giving kinder the job has he knows our own academy kids

No one else think other ex Utd may get the best pick of the Utd crop on loan before Joyce.. Yes managers who've actually played for Utd..

[tugayislegend]

Plenty of praise from Manchester evening news for Joyce....http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-united-coach-warren-joyce-10787378

[tomphil]

Warren Joyce = relegation end of.

Whether he could turn it around and re group after that who knows but would he even get chance, would he even want the chance ? I don't think the owners give a toss now if we went down or not. I'm not saying it's what they want but the model they now have I mind would probably be easier to sustain and far cheaper down another division.

[martonrover]

Adkins favourite for Bolton. He would be better than some of the duds on our list.

[JBiz]

If we hire a youth coach rather than an experienced manager, that is far more likely.......

There is risk in all appointments but if you'd genuinely rather plump for lower league proven managers such as Redfearn, slade, Ainsworth, Parkinson, Dunny etc - then fair enough.

Personally I can see more positives in WJ than nearly all that list. A down side being his lack of senior or league football management but their are several upsides to the scenario too. Ignore for the same "he's no experience" line if you want, but by the same token we'd never have hired Mark Hughes and probably plenty others.

Adkins favourite for Bolton. He would be better than some of the duds on our list.

The ex phsyio who managed Bangor and Scunthorpe before dragging Southampton up the leagues...

I can imagine the Southampton fans had much to say about his arrival!

[Athlete]

There is risk in all appointments but if you'd genuinely rather plump for lower league proven managers such as Redfearn, slade, Ainsworth, Parkinson, Dunny etc - then fair enough.

Personally I can see more positives in WJ than nearly all that list. A down side being his lack of senior or league football management but their are several upsides to the scenario too. Ignore for the same "he's no experience" line if you want, but by the same token we'd never have hired Mark Hughes and probably plenty others.

Mark Hughes was already involved in the international set up not a u21 academy

[perthblue02]

There is risk in all appointments but if you'd genuinely rather plump for lower league proven managers such as Redfearn, slade, Ainsworth, Parkinson, Dunny etc - then fair enough.

Personally I can see more positives in WJ than nearly all that list. A down side being his lack of senior or league football management but their are several upsides to the scenario too. Ignore for the same "he's no experience" line if you want, but by the same token we'd never have hired Mark Hughes and probably plenty others.

You mean the Mark Hughes who turned round a very poor Welsh national team before joining Rovers ?

I do get your points though of appointing Joyce. If an outside chance of not be relegated from the Championship and three or four years down the line possibly churning out first teamers or assets to sell on is the aim of the plan, but you have really got to factor in which way the wind is blowing at Venky's HQ on a certain day for any long term plan like this to bare fruit.

With somebody experienced in the Championships working with him for a couple of years I would say it's not a bad shout, if that is the long term plan.

[JBiz]

Warren Joyce = relegation end of.

Whether he could turn it around and re group after that who knows but would he even get chance, would he even want the chance ? I don't think the owners give a toss now if we went down or not. I'm not saying it's what they want but the model they now have I mind would probably be easier to sustain and far cheaper down another division.

You could say the same about any other managers in the poll bar one or two that never even looked realistic choices under the lunes.

[LDRover]

I have heard from a credible source that Joyce will make his decision based on what Mourinho's plans at United are.

[glen9mullan]

Regarding Joyce , its plain obvious that any manager appointed will need a miracle to be able to work under the current regime and bring success.

His record with young players though is not something Venkys should be pinning their hopes on.

He is at Manchester United who can attract the creme da la creme in terms of youngsters, you cannot be anything but successul managing the young players at teams like united, city, chelsea, barcelona, real madrid etc.

Its kind of swapping a ferarri for a ford and expecting the ford to keep up.

Joyce does not have the experience in highlighting seasoned professionals nor does he have adequate experience to manage transfers or budgets.

This is not NASCAR where we should be appointing the hot rookie.

Respect is a big thing in this manager search ,potential players will look at the managers cv which if they are worth their salt will be a major point in their decision making process. For every Mark Hughes , there is 10 Brian Kidd's.

The Raos dont give a flying hoot what the supporters think, if we say left, they will turn right.

I do think a visit to india from a group of supporters /interested parties needs to happen sooner than later,

If the mountain wont come to man, then the man must go to the mountain

[Athlete]

I have heard from a credible source that Joyce will make his decision based on what Mourinho's plans at United are.

Hopefully he'll stay there and somehow we can get a manager not a coach in.

But again whoever comes in is really up against it

[Waggy76]

Like Paul lambert? I think you are missing a huge part of the equation JHR, to win watches you need a good squad and setup. Part of the comes from choosing the right players to sign and if we simply cannot spend money we've got to develop our own for the first team.

How do you sell players? When they get to 21 just stick the sign up or on transfer market? No you get them playing well so ther teams are interested.

If we are in a position like Blackpool, as it keeps being mentioned, short term free loans through affiliations can give us a stronger first team, never mind developing them.

Would every Blackburn rovers fan prefer a huge transfer kitty and another "Mark Hughes"? Course they would.

No , I would prefer the Venkys buggered off !

[JBiz]

A couple of years managing a National team ? You mean he had success against the Faroe Islands or similar once every three months?

Give me a break, if that's acceptable experience over 25 years of being involved in one of the most successful clubs!

If this was a John Williams choice, it would be greeted like a "master stroke".

[K-Hod]

There is risk in all appointments but if you'd genuinely rather plump for lower league proven managers such as Redfearn, slade, Ainsworth, Parkinson, Dunny etc - then fair enough.

Personally I can see more positives in WJ than nearly all that list. A down side being his lack of senior or league football management but their are several upsides to the scenario too. Ignore for the same "he's no experience" line if you want, but by the same token we'd never have hired Mark Hughes and probably plenty others.

The ex phsyio who managed Bangor and Scunthorpe before dragging Southampton up the leagues...

I can imagine the Southampton fans had much to say about his arrival!

I really wouldn't mate, but those along with Joyce on the face of it would be poor appointments.

Warnock, Davies and Adkins- THAT is who we should be looking at. Not lower league desperados.

[tomphil]

The Hughes who'd played for Rovers and knew the inner fabric of the club and players.

[JHRover]

Like Paul lambert? I think you are missing a huge part of the equation JHR, to win watches you need a good squad and setup. Part of the comes from choosing the right players to sign and if we simply cannot spend money we've got to develop our own for the first team.

How do you sell players? When they get to 21 just stick the sign up or on transfer market? No you get them playing well so ther teams are interested.

If we are in a position like Blackpool, as it keeps being mentioned, short term free loans through affiliations can give us a stronger first team, never mind developing them.

Would every Blackburn rovers fan prefer a huge transfer kitty and another "Mark Hughes"? Course they would.

Can you tell me which other Championship club in the last few years, particularly those with a limited budget and poor support staff, have taken the decision to appoint a youth coach to be manager with a view to promoting youth and developing some fanciful production line of youngsters whilst ensuring survival in this league on a limited budget?

I'm not aware of any club that has even attempted what we are considering, never mind made a success of it, certainly not in today's world.

If Joyce gets it then we'll have done it twice in 3 years.

Bolton had no money, yet recognised the need for experience and went and got Neil Lennon. Rotherham have no money, yet recognised the need for experience and got Neil Warnock, and wanted to keep him for another 12 months before he turned them down (their chairman had no issue with him only working Thursday to Saturday or only doing 12 months). Ipswich have no money and recognised the need for experience and appointed Mick McCarthy. Even nutty Leeds have appointed credible experienced managers like Rosler and Evans. Blackpool, crisis club all day long, had Riga and Clark in their relegation season. No romantic notions of producing lots of promising kids there.

When was the last time an Under 21 coach moved clubs to become permanent full time manager at a Championship club? Its almost unheard of. Because its so unusual and bizarre doesn't mean its some well thought out strategy that nobody else has discovered yet. It means the lunatics running this club still have no idea how important the position of manager is and how important know how and experience is in this league.

[JBiz]

No , I would prefer the Venkys buggered off !

Find the right thread for that comment and reply to the correct posts because I don't see what that has to do with anything.

We would all probably want that but why quote me for sake of reminding us all?

[47er]

Like Paul lambert? I think you are missing a huge part of the equation JHR, to win watches you need a good squad and setup. Part of the comes from choosing the right players to sign and if we simply cannot spend money we've got to develop our own for the first team.

How do you sell players? When they get to 21 just stick the sign up or on transfer market? No you get them playing well so ther teams are interested.

If we are in a position like Blackpool, as it keeps being mentioned, short term free loans through affiliations can give us a stronger first team, never mind developing them.

Would every Blackburn rovers fan prefer a huge transfer kitty and another "Mark Hughes"? Course they would.

Paul Lambert did very well and given a reasonable transfer pot, would have been very successful next season imo. Especially with a full pre-season to settle in the newbies and get the squad competitively fit.

All this warming to Joyce and getting excited about him shows how little we expect these days and how far our standards are falling.

Promotion is just a dream now and we are left hoping to stay in the Championship for another year.

[JHRover]

A couple of years managing a National team ? You mean he had success against the Faroe Islands or similar once every three months?

Give me a break, if that's acceptable experience over 25 years of being involved in one of the most successful clubs!

If this was a John Williams choice, it would be greeted like a "master stroke".

It wouldn't be a John Williams choice.

[dallydally]

Joyce either wants the job or he doesn't! Waiting for Mourinho suggests he isn't that keen