[Archived] Next Manager

[davulsukur]

anyone else coming around with the idea of Joyce becoming manager?

only cos this is taking so fkin long and wanna be put out of misery.

Not even a little bit.

Coming round to the idea that this time next year, we will be in League 1 isn't really something i can get on board with.

[JBiz]

The Hughes who'd played for Rovers and knew the inner fabric of the club and players.

Sherwood, McKinley, Wilcox instead then?

Missing point tomphil, if it's unlikely we'll hire the calibre necessary or back the one we had with funds, I'm suggesting WJ might be make some modicum of sense.

[Athlete]

Paul Lambert did very well and given a reasonable transfer pot, would have been very successful next season imo. Especially with a full pre-season to settle in the newbies and get the squad competitively fit.

All this warming to Joyce and getting excited about him shows how little we expect these days and how far our standards are falling.

Promotion is just a dream now and we are left hoping to stay in the Championship for another year.

Promotion doesn't look like it's even been on the agenda and I'm now wondering if the championship even is..

[JHRover]

Nigel Adkins had spent 3-4 years working wonders at Scunthorpe (2 promotions to the Championship) before he got the Southampton job when they were in LEAGUE ONE.

It would be like us dropping to the bottom of League One then going out and appointing Phil Parkinson or the like. It would be a sensible appointment for us if we were in that position.

He wasn't some unheard of youth coach that suddenly got dropped into managing Southampton and it worked out well.

Plus Southampton had a proper, ambitious, clued up Chairman running their club who was qualified to lead a managerial search and appoint a manager. Are the people leading our 'search' qualified and ambitious?

[tomphil]

You could say the same about any other managers in the poll bar one or two that never even looked realistic choices under the lunes.

As Den mentioned the other day then why not Kinder ?

Most of us would be having kittens with that one so just because this guy works for Man U it's automatically a decent choice ? Not even considering what he has at his disposal there compared to the wreck that awaits him here. Or the fact he'll be trying to get the respect of some established players here who know this division better than him ?

Yes they are all gambles but I'm just saying at this moment in time with all the cut backs and threadbare nature of the squad etc we need re-establishing again first. Look how we were set to struggle last season under GB who'd previously stabilised things.

[47er]

A couple of years managing a National team ? You mean he had success against the Faroe Islands or similar once every three months?

Give me a break, if that's acceptable experience over 25 years of being involved in one of the most successful clubs!

If this was a John Williams choice, it would be greeted like a "master stroke".

Hughes was a born leader, with massive experience on the field at the highest levels, year after year after year.

Promoted with us, won the League Cup with us.

Never had the slightest doubt he was the man for us.

Whereas,Joyce is a gamble.

[perthblue02]

A couple of years managing a National team ? You mean he had success against the Faroe Islands or similar once every three months?

Give me a break, if that's acceptable experience over 25 years of being involved in one of the most successful clubs!

If this was a John Williams choice, it would be greeted like a "master stroke".

Hughes was with the Welsh national team as manager for 5 years,

Who has been involved with one of the most successful clubs for 25 years? Joyce has been at United since 2008

[ABBEY]

Find the right thread for that comment and reply to the correct posts because I don't see what that has to do with anything.

We would all probably want that but why quote me for sake of reminding us all?

Congrats on becoming a moderater ... I didn't know

[tomphil]

Paul Lambert did very well and given a reasonable transfer pot, would have been very successful next season imo. Especially with a full pre-season to settle in the newbies and get the squad competitively fit.

All this warming to Joyce and getting excited about him shows how little we expect these days and how far our standards are falling.

Promotion is just a dream now and we are left hoping to stay in the Championship for another year.

Yep for the first time since Allardyce we'd have had a squad going into a season well drilled in a style of play, as fit as they'd ever been and motivated with an actual target goal in mind.

That in itself would have made a difference even before some more signings !

[JBiz]

Much hypothetical discussion remember because if had an actual chairman at Ewood, this would've been a different scenario.

JHR - you are comparing us to teams who are run well. We cannot simply change overnight, and despite discussion on wanting to change ownership- the manager show is still going to be discussed!

There are many examples up and down the league that point to success or failure of the examples in the poll, but we all know that it comes down to much more than just one appointment.

If the scenario really is as bleak as;

1. We are skint

2. We are short of players

3. We need to utilise academy better for first team

Then to me WJ makes sense.

Do you think I'd argue with anyone who said " the best way to get out this league is invest in a manager who knows the league and invest in the right players"?

Not at all. I'm looking at our scenario, and however bleak it is, I still think WJ is a better appointment than many of those lower league examples in the poll.

Do I think Kinder should be a better shout TP? No because he's already got a job at Ewood and according to a few, seems to be doing well.

[K-Hod]

I'm trying to keep a lid on this, but people happy settling for Joyce really need to give their head a wobble. As others have said, what makes him more qualified than Kinder, our own academy director? Warnock, Davies, Adkins- experienced men at this level are what we need and should be looking at, not academy directors and lower league failures/inexperienced rookies.

Don't drop your standards to fall in line with those idiots in India FFS! We need a manager (amongst many other things), who's managed in this division before. Like we had before, until our stupid owners effectively forced him out by going silent and not backing him.

[G Somerset Rover]

I have heard from a credible source that Joyce will make his decision based on what Mourinho's plans at United are.

This is exactly what I predicted would happen the other day. I can see this dragging on for weeks yet, and he'll likely turn us down in about a month's time leaving the clueless one's back to square one.

[Mani]

I have heard from a credible source that Joyce will make his decision based on what Mourinho's plans at United are.

How credible? Because from what I heard and wrote on here on Tuesday, Joyce has committed to Rovers following a 3hr interview and is waiting to see if they'll give him what he wants in terms of finance and control. And I'm as sure as I can be regarding that...if you get me?

[Tricky]

surprised we've not gone for a manager of a womens team

[JBiz]

Hughes was with the Welsh national team as manager for 5 years,

Who has been involved with one of the most successful clubs for 25 years? Joyce has been at United since 2008

Had myself down as older than I thought. 2000 is 15 years ago not 25

[Iceman]

Joyce, urgh!

[den]

As Den mentioned the other day then why not Kinder ?

Most of us would be having kittens with that one so just because this guy works for Man U it's automatically a decent choice ? Not even considering what he has at his disposal there compared to the wreck that awaits him here. Or the fact he'll be trying to get the respect of some established players here who know this division better than him ?

Yes they are all gambles but I'm just saying at this moment in time with all the cut backs and threadbare nature of the squad etc we need re-establishing again first. Look how we were set to struggle last season under GB who'd previously stabilised things.

If Venkys had sacked Lambert and immediately brought in Eric Kinder, there would have been an outcry on here. The site would have gone into overdrive. But because the names now leaked to the fans is so disappointing, all of a sudden Warren Joyce becomes attractive. He might bring the kids through - well so might Kinder. Anything else on his CV that's attractive? Can't see anything.

What kind of muddled thinking is that?

[G Somerset Rover]

How credible? Because from what I heard and wrote on here on Tuesday, Joyce has committed to Rovers following a 3hr interview and is waiting to see if they'll give him what he wants in terms of finance and control. And I'm as sure as I can be regarding that...if you get me?

He'd be a fool to at least not listen to what Jose had to say. If Jose were to say "come and be my Assistant and so long as I keep my job then you'll be boss when I bugger off in 2-3 years" then of course he'd stay.

[JBiz]

I'm trying to keep a lid on this, but people happy settling for Joyce really need to give their head a wobble. As others have said, what makes him more qualified than Kinder, our own academy director? Warnock, Davies, Adkins- experienced men at this level are what we need and should be looking at, not academy directors and lower league failures/inexperienced rookies.

Don't drop your standards to fall in line with those idiots in India FFS! We need a manager (amongst many other things), who's managed in this division before. Like we had before, until our stupid owners effectively forced him out by going silent and not backing him.

Dear me Kenny! Oblivious to the situation and ignorant of context

Nobody is saying WJ is the man! Just look at the poll ffs! It's littered with absolute rubbish. From a selection it's one id predict will do somewhat better but realistically I'd want none of them at all!

[tomphil]

How credible? Because from what I heard and wrote on here on Tuesday, Joyce has committed to Rovers following a 3hr interview and is waiting to see if they'll give him what he wants in terms of finance and control. And I'm as sure as I can be regarding that...if you get me?

Hope he gets it down in writing then because any words from them are as trustworthy as the british weather.

[DE.]

I'm trying to keep a lid on this, but people happy settling for Joyce really need to give their head a wobble. As others have said, what makes him more qualified than Kinder, our own academy director?

Don't drop your standards to fall in line with those idiots in India FFS! We need a manager (amongst many other things), who's managed in this division before. Like we had before, until our stupid owners effectively forced him out by going silent and not backing him.

Spot on. Nobody should be remotely happy with the appointment of Joyce. It's a huge gamble we are ill-prepared to take as a club.

Yes, sometimes gambles do pay off, but we are in no position to be giving the job to a bloke who last managed in the 4th division in 1999. His record with United's u21 squad is largely meaningless as firstly he will be working with significantly less talented players here, and secondly being a manager is totally different to being an u21 coach. Just ask Gary Bowyer.

We have a depleted squad, a boardroom essentially consisting of one accountant, no money, no support from the owners beyond paying the bills and a sharply declining, disillusioned fanbase.

If Joyce genuinely wanted to become a successful manager, he'd avoid this job like the plague. Taking it would prove him to be just another in a long line of chancers that have taken advantage of our club's dilapidated modern state.

[K-Hod]

Dear me Kenny! Oblivious to the situation and ignorant of context

Nobody is saying WJ is the man! Just look at the poll ffs! It's littered with absolute rubbish. From a selection it's one id predict will do somewhat better but realistically I'd want none of them at all!

Nah pal, you're just waffling again!

[Mani]

I'm trying to keep a lid on this, but people happy settling for Joyce really need to give their head a wobble. As others have said, what makes him more qualified than Kinder, our own academy director? Warnock, Davies, Adkins- experienced men at this level are what we need and should be looking at, not academy directors and lower league failures/inexperienced rookies.

Don't drop your standards to fall in line with those idiots in India FFS! We need a manager (amongst many other things), who's managed in this division before. Like we had before, until our stupid owners effectively forced him out by going silent and not backing him.

Chill out mate. It's just opinions...I myself would prefer an experienced man but I can see the merit of an up and coming innovator. The top leagues are littered with assistants / youth team guys who have become top managers.

Real Madrid and Barca are managed by these types of development coaches who have been integrated into management. I'm not saying it's the right way for us but surely it's not that hard to see why some fans might fancy that option?

[tomphil]

If Venkys had sacked Lambert and immediately brought in Eric Kinder, there would have been an outcry on here. The site would have gone into overdrive. But because the names now leaked to the fans is so disappointing, all of a sudden Warren Joyce becomes attractive. He might bring the kids through - well so might Kinder. Anything else on his CV that's attractive? Can't see anything.

What kind of muddled thinking is that?

That could be some clever work though with putting out such awful names and a couple of unrealistic ones so people then start saying I'd settle for Joyce or Irvine.

Don't these lot employ some kind of PR company ? That's the kind of thing they'd advise as well as posing as fans on social media praising the owners and whooping with delight at moving the FS.

[Mani]

Hope he gets it down in writing then because any words from them are as trustworthy as the british weather.

Agreed.