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[JHRover]

Because we are such a shambles on and off the pitch that makes experience even more important though.

If we had a poor squad and no money and fancied developing kids for a profit then I could come round to the idea, providing we had the structure in place to achieve it. We would need an experienced and competent board of directors who could support the manager, a sporting director or director of football who could work with the manager to recruit well on a budget from across the country and Europe.

But because we haven't got any of that, dropping someone with no experience like Joyce into the bear pit of the Championship would almost certainly be a disaster. The structure isn't right for a tried and tested manager, never mind a rookie coach.

Indeed, someone like Warnock would probably struggle with it, and end up leaving because of it, but in the meantime he would stand a decent chance of keeping our heads above water despite the shambles off the field, because he knows the league like the back of his hand, and has know how of working to limited budgets with clueless owners.

[K-Hod]

Chill out mate. It's just opinions...I myself would prefer an experienced man but I can see the merit of an up and coming innovator. The top leagues are littered with assistants / youth team guys who have become top managers.

Real Madrid and Barca are managed by these types of development coaches who have been integrated into management. I'm not saying it's the right way for us but surely it's not that hard to see why some fans might fancy that option?

As Den said though Mani, if we'd gotten rid of Lambert, then brought in an academy director, people would have lost their mind, I can't see for a minute how it's now okay....

As for those clubs, good grief, I think I could get a tune out of their players! Look no further than Avram Grant, he was only a John Terry slip away from being a CL winner!

[tomphil]

Chill out mate. It's just opinions...I myself would prefer an experienced man but I can see the merit of an up and coming innovator. The top leagues are littered with assistants / youth team guys who have become top managers.

Real Madrid and Barca are managed by these types of development coaches who have been integrated into management. I'm not saying it's the right way for us but surely it's not that hard to see why some fans might fancy that option?

If we'd stayed sat in the middle of the division last season with GB and Rhodes had been sold and he'd signed another couple of crap frees then I think this kind of appointment would have been better received and more justified.

Right now it's a crazy too big a gamble.

[yoda]

surprised we've not gone for a manager of a womens team

Cheri Lunghi

[JHRover]

Chill out mate. It's just opinions...I myself would prefer an experienced man but I can see the merit of an up and coming innovator. The top leagues are littered with assistants / youth team guys who have become top managers.

Real Madrid and Barca are managed by these types of development coaches who have been integrated into management. I'm not saying it's the right way for us but surely it's not that hard to see why some fans might fancy that option?

Which club(s) in the top 2 divisions in England in the last 20 years have gone and appointed a youth coach from another club and enjoyed success from it?

From my memory it has never been done before. Sometimes coaches 'make the step up' like Bowyer did here, but he knew the club inside out and 'fell into' the job as caretaker in difficult times. What we're considering doing is almost unheard of, and there's no example of it working in the past.

[pick32]

Getting to the point were I'm not bothered who comes in just aslong as someone does and we can assemble a squad.

[47er]

Getting to the point were I'm not bothered who comes in just aslong as someone does and we can assemble a squad.

You're where they want you.

[JBiz]

As Den said though Mani, if we'd gotten rid of Lambert, then brought in an academy director, people would have lost their mind, I can't see for a minute how it's now okay....

As for those clubs, good grief, I think I could get a tune out of their players! Look no further than Avram Grant, he was only a John Terry slip away from being a CL winner!

I don't think any rovers fan would argue that the interview process is probably a joke, the structure is set up to fail and the fans are sick to death of it all.

But it's not hard to see a difference in;

1. Sack manager promote youth coach.

2. Sack manager, interview plenty and give job to chosen candidate (also youth coach)

[yoda]

I don't think any rovers fan would argue that the interview process is probably a joke, the structure is set up to fail and the fans are sick to death of it all.

But it's not hard to see a difference in;

1. Sack manager promote youth coach.

2. Sack manager, interview plenty and give job to chosen candidate (also youth coach)

End result the same, lowered standard, relegation

[Mani]

As Den said though Mani, if we'd gotten rid of Lambert, then brought in an academy director, people would have lost their mind, I can't see for a minute how it's now okay....

As for those clubs, good grief, I think I could get a tune out of their players! Look no further than Avram Grant, he was only a John Terry slip away from being a CL winner!

Ok, first of all we don't have a clue as to why PL walked. There's a lot of speculation but really, no one knows. Perhaps it was money? Perhaps he changed his mind? Perhaps his constant public bleating really @#/? them off and they decided to dig their heals in and drive him out? Who knows....

Secondly, I really don't think they care less who they upset and had they wanted to employ Kinder, would've done so.

Thirdly, re your point about top clubs...wow! Haha So Pako Ayestrian was an easy job following Neville at Valencia? No mate. Appointing coaches as manager is now en vogue. Like I say, I personally would choose an experienced guy. But which experienced manager would work for them long term? The only ones who've lasted are the ones making their name and willing to wait and wait for a decision!

[JBiz]

End result the same, lowered standard, relegation

Fair suggestion, but I'd call Gary Bowyer a success in the circumstances he found himself in and he was by definition a development coach promoted to manager.

[JHRover]

Ok, first of all we don't have a clue as to why PL walked. There's a lot of speculation but really, no one knows. Perhaps it was money? Perhaps he changed his mind? Perhaps his constant public bleating really @#/? them off and they decided to dig their heals in and drive him out? Who knows....

Secondly, I really don't think they care less who they upset and had they wanted to employ Kinder, would've done so.

Thirdly, re your point about top clubs...wow! Haha So Pako Ayestrian was an easy job following Neville at Valencia? No mate. Appointing coaches as manager is now en vogue. Like I say, I personally would choose an experienced guy. But which experienced manager would work for them long term? The only ones who've lasted are the ones making their name and willing to wait and wait for a decision!

We don't need long term. We need short term - this summer and next season - the reassess our situation next summer. If Warnock could navigate this ship through the choppy waters ahead this summer and get us to dry land over the course of next season then we could take stock and go again a year from now.

'Long term' just gives the illusion of some sort of plan or structure at the club whilst a cheap yes man occupies the dug out drawing a good salary whilst presiding over more decline and probable relegation.

[yoda]

Fair suggestion, but I'd call Gary Bowyer a success in the circumstances he found himself in and he was by definition a development coach promoted to manager.

Yep, great squad we have

[K-Hod]

Ok, first of all we don't have a clue as to why PL walked. There's a lot of speculation but really, no one knows. Perhaps it was money? Perhaps he changed his mind? Perhaps his constant public bleating really @#/? them off and they decided to dig their heals in and drive him out? Who knows....

Secondly, I really don't think they care less who they upset and had they wanted to employ Kinder, would've done so.

Thirdly, re your point about top clubs...wow! Haha So Pako Ayestrian was an easy job following Neville at Valencia? No mate. Appointing coaches as manager is now en vogue. Like I say, I personally would choose an experienced guy. But which experienced manager would work for them long term? The only ones who've lasted are the ones making their name and willing to wait and wait for a decision!

Lambert probably bleated in public out of desperation to make some sort of contact with his bosses. (This isn't aimed at you, but it really grinds my gears that people have tried to portray Lambert as the villain in this whole saga). Which other football clubs in the world treat their staff this way? They are ignorant, pig-headed, arrogant cretins of the highest order.

It doesn't mean we shouldn't try and find an experience manager instead though! I don't care about the norm, about what other clubs do, I care about Rovers and what our plans are. The reason I am not taking (potentially) another inexperienced appointment so well is because of our owners and our complete lack of board structure and their running of the club on the cheap.

[Athlete]

How credible? Because from what I heard and wrote on here on Tuesday, Joyce has committed to Rovers following a 3hr interview and is waiting to see if they'll give him what he wants in terms of finance and control. And I'm as sure as I can be regarding that...if you get me?

Hopefully as per usual your wrong.. But law of averages says you'll get something right

[JHRover]

Fair suggestion, but I'd call Gary Bowyer a success in the circumstances he found himself in and he was by definition a development coach promoted to manager.

Bowyer was Rovers through and through having been at the club for 10 years prior. He ended up in the job almost by accident after the shambles of Berg and Appleton and proved he could handle the job by steering us to safety as caretaker. He therefore earned a shot at it the following season and did an impressive job rebuilding the club.

Joyce isn't already at Rovers, he has no connection to Rovers in any form, we aren't in the position now that we were when Bowyer rescued us, he's a completely unnecessary gamble when there are dozens of more suitable and qualified options available who would work here as they need a job.

The other ironic point being that Bowyer was a youth coach by trade and yet in 2.5 years brought through no youth players, yet we're back at this nonsensical plan of using the academy to assemble our squad rather than the transfer market whilst using a youth coach, as though the last one was such a success at utilising the academy!

Lambert brought through Lenighan and saw him develop into a capable Championship player. That's more than Bowyer did from the academy in much less time, yet Lambert arrived as an 'experienced' manager.

How ironic that the biggest success stories of our academy in recent years have been Phil Jones, Grant Hanley, Jason Lowe and Darragh Lenighan, brought into the first team by Sam Allardyce and Paul Lambert, not by 'coaches' like Kean or Bowyer.

[JBiz]

Yep, great squad we have

It would've been worse had GB n the team at the time not signed Marshall, Evans, Steele, Duffy, Spurr, Cairney, Gestede, etc etc from the the little money we received on Dann, Formica, Rochina etc.

5 years of mismanagement from the owners and you'd blame our squad deficiencies on GB. Laughable.

[Mattyblue]

A couple of years managing a National team ? You mean he had success against the Faroe Islands or similar once every three months?

Give me a break, if that's acceptable experience over 25 years of being involved in one of the most successful clubs!

If this was a John Williams choice, it would be greeted like a "master stroke".

Williams did make mistakes- Paul Ince and he held his hands up on that. However, he rectified it swiftly and obviously wouldn't have made such a mistake again.

This lot are going down the unproven manager path time and time again and it isn't working time and time again.

Working in a coaching role at Man Utd for years means bugger all- look at Brian Kidd and that was when we had money to burn. How is the cosseted life at Carrington in any way preparation for the madhouse that is BRFC?

Of course, Joyce could be a 'gem', but any responsible owner would not be going down this path AGAIN with League 1 obviously a possibility, but when did these owners ever care about the best interests of Blackburn Rovers?

[Mani]

Which club(s) in the top 2 divisions in England in the last 20 years have gone and appointed a youth coach from another club and enjoyed success from it?

From my memory it has never been done before. Sometimes coaches 'make the step up' like Bowyer did here, but he knew the club inside out and 'fell into' the job as caretaker in difficult times. What we're considering doing is almost unheard of, and there's no example of it working in the past.

It's all conjecture mate. People accept and believe what they want to. We're all clamouring for an experienced guy..Warnock being most people's top guy but this man has more relegations on his CV than the rest of the list put together! However, we oversee that stat and concentrate on the positive because it suits...

Warren Joyce is REALLY well thought of at United. Literally not a single person Iv spoken to (old players, current players and staff) have a bad word about him. Reckon he's always been destined to be an awesome first team manager. Has turned their youth academy around and is progressive and entertaining. Has also won last 3 U21 league titles or something...but with this guy, we ignore his success. We ignore the fact he is a winner because we believe what we want to....we concentrate on the fact he hasn't got experience...

At United, he's not a youth team coach. He manages everything under the first team. Training programmes, preseason, player contracts, player recruitment, style of play, coaching staff...he's essentially their B Team manager....as were Enrique, Zidane, Ayestrian etc etc

I would personally go for Keith Hill.

Hopefully as per usual your wrong.. But law of averages says you'll get something right

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[Athlete]

I wonder if Joyce Is the new Moyes for Mani

[Speedie Dived]

Which club(s) in the top 2 divisions in England in the last 20 years have gone and appointed a youth coach from another club and enjoyed success from it?

From my memory it has never been done before. Sometimes coaches 'make the step up' like Bowyer did here, but he knew the club inside out and 'fell into' the job as caretaker in difficult times. What we're considering doing is almost unheard of, and there's no example of it working in the past.

Benfica hired Barcelona's translator, he turned out ok.

I actually feel sorry for whoever gets the job, they are on a hiding to nothing. Nothing against Joyce, but he will not be having Turkey at Brockhall if he gets it.

Remember, our owners expect promotion, whoever comes in. Well we could certainly leave the Championship next year though.

[yoda]

It would've been worse had GB n the team at the time not signed Marshall, Evans, Steele, Duffy, Spurr, Cairney, Gestede, etc etc from the the little money we received on Dann, Formica, Rochina etc.

5 years of mismanagement from the owners and you'd blame our squad deficiencies on GB. Laughable.

No No, I blame the owners 100%, who ever they are

GB is another one who took the peices of eight and disappeared at the end of the day though.

[Speedie Dived]

Hopefully as per usual your wrong.. But law of averages says you'll get something right

Why would you have a pop at someone with obvious connections who provides some interesting updates on here?

Do you want to read a list of betting odds?

[AllRoverAsia]

Spot on. Nobody should be remotely happy with the appointment of Joyce. It's a huge gamble we are ill-prepared to take as a club.

Yes, sometimes gambles do pay off, but we are in no position to be giving the job to a bloke who last managed in the 4th division in 1999. His record with United's u21 squad is largely meaningless as firstly he will be working with significantly less talented players here, and secondly being a manager is totally different to being an u21 coach. Just ask Gary Bowyer.

We have a depleted squad, a boardroom essentially consisting of one accountant, no money, no support from the owners beyond paying the bills and a sharply declining, disillusioned fanbase.

If Joyce genuinely wanted to become a successful manager, he'd avoid this job like the plague. Taking it would prove him to be just another in a long line of chancers that have taken advantage of our club's dilapidated modern state.

If Moaninho gives him a job he'll stay at OT...........if not then show at Ewood ......... he'll maybe have a mortgage to pay...IMO

[yoda]

Why would you have a pop at someone with obvious connections who provides some interesting updates on here?

Do you want to read a list of betting odds?

Can I have a Chaddy on the answer to that one ?