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[JHRover]

Benfica hired Barcelona's translator, he turned out ok.

I actually feel sorry for whoever gets the job, they are on a hiding to nothing. Nothing against Joyce, but he will not be having Turkey at Brockhall if he gets it.

Remember, our owners expect promotion, whoever comes in. Well we could certainly leave the Championship next year though.

Benfica hired Barcelona's assistant who had spent 4 years working with Louis van Gaal and Bobby Robson. Not a youth coach. Besides, Benfica can afford to take those sort of gambles. In their league the worst that will happen is a 3rd or 4th place finish before they find a new manager.

I asked if it had ever happened in the top two Leagues in England, where it is far more competitive and the room for mistakes is much smaller. Looks like nobody else can think of it happening before with success either.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Why would you have a pop at someone with obvious connections who provides some interesting updates on here?

Athlete usually has his nose up Mercerman's jacksy. Perhaps he resents someone who actually knows what he's talking about?

[Speedie Dived]

Benfica hired Barcelona's assistant who had spent 4 years working with Louis van Gaal and Bobby Robson. Not a youth coach. Besides, Benfica can afford to take those sort of gambles. In their league the worst that will happen is a 3rd or 4th place finish before they find a new manager.

I asked if it had ever happened in the top two Leagues in England, where it is far more competitive and the room for mistakes is much smaller. Looks like nobody else can think of it happening before with success either.

It's hasn't ever happened. In the lower leagues it will have done but never in top two divisions. Sad state of affairs but the manager is a side show at our club.

Athlete usually has his nose up Mercerman's jacksy. Perhaps he resents someone who actually knows what he's talking about?

Mercerman has won me some money in the past too, no grumbles from me in his direction either.

[JHRover]

It's all conjecture mate. People accept and believe what they want to. We're all clamouring for an experienced guy..Warnock being most people's top guy but this man has more relegations on his CV than the rest of the list put together! However, we oversee that stat and concentrate on the positive because it suits...

Warren Joyce is REALLY well thought of at United. Literally not a single person Iv spoken to (old players, current players and staff) have a bad word about him. Reckon he's always been destined to be an awesome first team manager. Has turned their youth academy around and is progressive and entertaining. Has also won last 3 U21 league titles or something...but with this guy, we ignore his success. We ignore the fact he is a winner because we believe what we want to....we concentrate on the fact he hasn't got experience...

At United, he's not a youth team coach. He manages everything under the first team. Training programmes, preseason, player contracts, player recruitment, style of play, coaching staff...he's essentially their B Team manager....as were Enrique, Zidane, Ayestrian etc etc

I would personally go for Keith Hill.

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FYI - Its you're not your

Not really comparable.

Warnock's successes and failures are as a manager, and over 35 years he's done a lot more right than he has wrong. He's commonly accepted as one of the best managers around for this league as evidenced by his spectacular performance at Rotherham last season. He's even been linked to Newcastle, Villa and Derby in the last couple of weeks which suggests he is sought after by top Championship clubs and widely considered in football circles as a top choice, even aged 67.

Joyce isn't a manager. Whatever he's 'achieved' at United means nothing as it isn't remotely comparable to managing a Championship club with no money. He's done nothing to even suggest he could be a success here, its just another off the wall and unnecessary gamble that we don't need to take and can't afford to take. It doesn't matter what people at United think of him, because they aren't judging him as a manager but as a development coach.

[Gav]

Are posters actually trying to justify appointing Joyce, a man with less experience than Gary Bowyer?

The dumbing down of the club has been in full swing for 5yrs, the dumbing down of certain sections of fans now seems complete also

Have a word with yourselves FFS

[yoda]

Benfica hired Barcelona's assistant who had spent 4 years working with Louis van Gaal and Bobby Robson. Not a youth coach. Besides, Benfica can afford to take those sort of gambles. In their league the worst that will happen is a 3rd or 4th place finish before they find a new manager.

I asked if it had ever happened in the top two Leagues in England, where it is far more competitive and the room for mistakes is much smaller. Looks like nobody else can think of it happening before with success either.

Maybe the wobbly heads want to be the 1st to do it

legacy and all that

[JBiz]

In reply to Gav, Classic, if you don't agree with my view then you are wrong!

[Kamy100]

Appointing Joyce represents a risk. He could turnout to be brilliant but equally he could be a flop. We just don't know how good or bad he will be.

I would say a club in our position would be looking to mitigate any form of risk. When you have the likes of Warnock interested then you should go and appoint him. He is experienced at this kind of situation and by appointing him you are mitigating the risk of going down to league 1.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I can understand why some people are aghast at the thought of Joyce - for me I would rather take a roll of the dice and see if we can unearth a gem, rather than appoint an experienced manager just to keep us in the division for another year.

I have found another potential manager though - he spent 2 years as u-18 coach, spent two years as an assistant manager - and one season as manager in the Championship (though his team only finished eleventh). I wonder how many would say don't hire him because he lacks the experience of Warnock ?

P.S. assuming that Irvine is retained - we would actually have somebody with Championship and Premiership management experience to help out Joyce.

[J*B]

Nobody else is appointing @#/? Joyce. Why not give it Warnock even for 12 months and tell Joyce its his once Warnock who is experienced has started rebuilding?

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Appointing Joyce represents a risk. He could turnout to be brilliant but equally he could be a flop. We just don't know how good or bad he will be.

I would say a club in our position would be looking to mitigate any form of risk. When you have the likes of Warnock interested then you should go and appoint him. He is experienced at this kind of situation and by appointing him you are mitigating the risk of going down to league 1.

So - we stay in the Championship for another year, debts increase even more and crowds plummet due to Warnock's style of play + the owners.

[JBiz]

Nobody else is appointing @#/? Joyce. Why not give it Warnock even for 12 months and tell Joyce its his once Warnock who is experienced has started rebuilding?

That was initially toms suggestion and made sense to me, warnock as a form of DOf!

[Gav]

In reply to Gav, Classic, if you don't agree with my view then you are wrong!

I wasn't replying to you? it was a general comment

I tend to ignore most of your posts these days because they're designed to attract attention rather than add to any debate.

Just my opinion of course.....

[K-Hod]

In reply to Gav, Classic, if you don't agree with my view then you are wrong!

He is right though.....

[BigUts]

So - we stay in the Championship for another year, debts increase even more and crowds plummet due to Warnock's style of play + the owners.

So - we get relegated by appointing a no-mark, debts increase EVEN more due to lower amount of funding from both sponsors, league standing and TV income, and crowds plummet due to being beaten all the time and falling in to League One.

There is no magic cure - but priority #1 must surely be staying in the division? Especially given the current situation the squad finds itself in?!

[Mattyblue]

So - we stay in the Championship for another year, debts increase even more and crowds plummet due to Warnock's style of play + the owners.

Style of play? Please don't tell me that people STILL haven't learnt post Allardyce?

[K-Hod]

So - we stay in the Championship for another year, debts increase even more and crowds plummet due to Warnock's style of play + the owners.

That's infinitely preferable to relegation, however it's dressed up. The crowds will plummet next season even if we make an actual managerial appointment......

People can obviously believe as they like, but I'm beginning to think some people are genuinely posting the exact opposite of what we should be aiming for, just to generate some debate. Absolutely baffling. It's as though nobody has learnt a thing in the last 6 years.

NO other football club would take the approach we are taking. Arghhhhhhhhhh! Am I in a parallel universe?

[JHRover]

I can understand why some people are aghast at the thought of Joyce - for me I would rather take a roll of the dice and see if we can unearth a gem, rather than appoint an experienced manager just to keep us in the division for another year.

I have found another potential manager though - he spent 2 years as u-18 coach, spent two years as an assistant manager - and one season as manager in the Championship (though his team only finished eleventh). I wonder how many would say don't hire him because he lacks the experience of Warnock ?

P.S. assuming that Irvine is retained - we would actually have somebody with Championship and Premiership management experience to help out Joyce.

So you'd rather gamble our Championship status (and our long term future as a club) in the hope of unearthing a gem (under this setup), rather than play it safe and give us the best chance of survival?

If Joyce had managed a Championship side recently and finished 11th then it might be a different story.

Irvine would be a more sensible appointment as manager with Joyce assisting him.

[J*B]

[DE.]

I would guess most of the people championing Joyce's appoint, or saying he's preferable to the likes of Warnock, were also firm supporters of the likes of Kean and Bowyer, long past when either of them deserved the benefit of the doubt. If they haven't learnt by now what appointing inexperience entails then they never will.

[Gav]

People can obviously believe as they like, but I'm beginning to think some people are genuinely posting the exact opposite of what we should be aiming for, just to generate some debate.

Have you only just grasped that K-Hod

Come on pal, keep up

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

That's infinitely preferable to relegation, however it's dressed up. The crowds will plummet next season even if we make an actual managerial appointment......

People can obviously believe as they like, but I'm beginning to think some people are genuinely posting the exact opposite of what we should be aiming for, just to generate some debate. Absolutely baffling. It's as though nobody has learnt a thing in the last 6 years.

NO other football club would take the approach we are taking. Arghhhhhhhhhh! Am I in a parallel universe?

I think you must be in a parallel universe if you think Warnock would come to Rovers if there is no money to spend.

All this "Warnock would keep us up" rubbish - he wants a further promotion on his CV before he retires - IF we have no money why would he come to Rovers ?

Also, as Mani pointed out - he also has a number of relegations on his CV - so he wouldn't be guaranteed to keep us up anyway.

Possibly I am biased - as I still have fond memories of possibly one of our best managers of the modern era - who came to us with absolutely no management experience, but nearly took us from the third division to the first division in two seasons.

As for posting the exact opposite - if you said we were appointing an experienced manager (like Lambert) and giving him a decent transfer budget - I would probably have a different view point.

[rishtonrover]

in my time of watching rovers the best manager we have had,was appointed with no experience what so ever,in fact was a player manager, Howard Kendall

[Gav]

I think you must be in a parallel universe if you think Warnock would come to Rovers if there is no money to spend.

All this "Warnock would keep us up" rubbish - he wants a further promotion on his CV before he retires - IF we have no money why would he come to Rovers ?

Also, as Mani pointed out - he also has a number of relegations on his CV - so he wouldn't be guaranteed to keep us up anyway.

He went to Rotherham

He kept them up

[otto man]

oooh You are awful

But I like you!