[Archived] Next Manager

[JBiz]

That's infinitely preferable to relegation, however it's dressed up. The crowds will plummet next season even if we make an actual managerial appointment......

People can obviously believe as they like, but I'm beginning to think some people are genuinely posting the exact opposite of what we should be aiming for, just to generate some debate. Absolutely baffling. It's as though nobody has learnt a thing in the last 6 years.

NO other football club would take the approach we are taking. Arghhhhhhhhhh! Am I in a parallel universe?

Hold on. Completely writing off Joyce as a dud because you want an experienced manager and a big transfer kitty is the very definition of ignoring the past six years. Wants, needs, expectations- all very different. If you think people are generally happy to be discussing the prospect of man uniteds reserve boss, re read some of the posts.

As for the best man for the job? It's not going to happen in a scenario where we are. Even if it did, this structure malarkey is still too messed up.

Also don't join in with this "if you don't agree, you're a WUM" group on this message board, you're better than that. Every coin has 2 sides, if you want to just post and read constant patting on the back and everyone saying the same thing, start a new thread up.

[JHRover]

Alan Stubbs now odds-on to become the new Rotherham manager.

Notice the speed at which they move after the resignation of a previous manager to appoint a successor.

Meanwhile in Venky land we're heading into week 5 of the search and a week short of 2 months since Paul Lambert told them he was off.

[K-Hod]

Hold on. Completely writing off Joyce as a dud because you want an experienced manager and a big transfer kitty is the very definition of ignoring the past six years. Wants, needs, expectations- all very different. If you think people are generally happy to be discussing the prospect of man uniteds reserve boss, re read some of the posts.

As for the best man for the job? It's not going to happen in a scenario where we are. Even if it did, this structure malarkey is still too messed up.

Also don't join in with this "if you don't agree, you're a WUM" group on this message board, you're better than that. Every coin has 2 sides, if you want to just post and read constant patting on the back and everyone saying the same thing, start a new thread up.

I didn't say that, I was merely pointing out that it's absolutely bat dung mental, especially after all we've been through as a club, to be writing off experienced managers in favour of inexperienced ones. Surely that isn't difficult to grasp? Particularly with our owners' track record of making terrible managerial choices (and terrible choices pertaining to the club in every other way).

People can think what they like, but as Matty said, it's as though people haven't learned at all.

[ABBEY]

That could be some clever work though with putting out such awful names and a couple of unrealistic ones so people then start saying I'd settle for Joyce or Irvine.

Don't these lot employ some kind of PR company ? That's the kind of thing they'd advise as well as posing as fans on social media praising the owners and whooping with delight at moving the FS.

Brian Kidd ... Steve Kean .. Bowyer

[Mattyblue]

Alan Stubbs now odds-on to become the new Rotherham manager.

Notice the speed at which they move after the resignation of a previous manager to appoint a successor.

Meanwhile in Venky land we're heading into week 5 of the search and a week short of 2 months since Paul Lambert told them he was off.

Which has been Venky's all over... apart from the Lambert appointment- Bowyer potted, PL and coaching staff straight in.

That abberation makes no sense whatsoever

[ABBEY]

Hold on. Completely writing off Joyce as a dud because you want an experienced manager and a big transfer kitty is the very definition of ignoring the past six years. Wants, needs, expectations- all very different. If you think people are generally happy to be discussing the prospect of man uniteds reserve boss, re read some of the posts.

As for the best man for the job? It's not going to happen in a scenario where we are. Even if it did, this structure malarkey is still too messed up.

Also don't join in with this "if you don't agree, you're a WUM" group on this message board, you're better than that. Every coin has 2 sides, if you want to just post and read constant patting on the back and everyone saying the same thing, start a new thread up.

Not like you to say opposite .

[PeteJD13]

Alan Stubbs now odds-on to become the new Rotherham manager.

Notice the speed at which they move after the resignation of a previous manager to appoint a successor.

Meanwhile in Venky land we're heading into week 5 of the search and a week short of 2 months since Paul Lambert told them he was off.

He is crazy if he leaves Hibs and takes that job

[Athlete]

Anyone championing a Warren Joyce or equivalent needs to give there heads a shake we need someone with proven pedigree to keep us in the Championship amongst all the turmoil

Athlete usually has his nose up Mercerman's jacksy. Perhaps he resents someone who actually knows what he's talking about?

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[DavidMailsTightPerm]

He went to Rotherham

He kept them up

Please read my second sentence - he says he wants one final promotion !

[pk1875]

Maybe they are looking at Warnock, who has gone on record saying he only wants 12 more months and they intend bringing in Joyce to work under/with him to take over in 12 months. That would be a logical and thought out plan, given that this is Venky's that definitely wont be the plan.

[tomphil]

Brian Kidd ... Steve Kean .. Bowyer

Funny how it seems the pro Bowyerites who couldn't accept the wheels had fallen off gaz's bandwagon are now almost clamouring on the Joyce one

These people seem to actually think exactly like the owners do yet still can't see that is exactly the same path that's led us to this mess in the first place. I think some spend too much time listening to the likes of those 'Speakman' characters !

[Gav]

Next season is already about nothing more than surviving in the Championship, the best man to help us achieve that goal would be Neil Warnock, but he's probably not daft enough to work with an Indian business consultant controlled by an agency and bonkers owners.

Paul Lambert is a very experienced (Livingston, Wycombe, Colchester, Norwich and Villa) and relatively successful football manager who tried and failed to get anything out of the current crop of players, why? because in the main they're not good enough for the championship.

So why would anyone believe that a Warren Joyce type appointment would be anything other than another absolute disaster for Blackburn Rovers? Why?

[roverstdt]

I don't see Warren Joyce as a terrible appointment considering the names that have been thrown about. If i could choose out of everyone I would be happy with Phil Parkinson but I want a manager with a long term goal. Putting the owners aside for a second the problem i had with Paul Lambert was his constant moaning and his short term vision of just wanting to be a premier league club. For me to survive in the EPL is harder than ever and we need to have an identity which first starts with the manager. I would like to see Warren Joyce as a manager only for the simple reason that he has plenty of youth to work with in the form of David Raya, Connor Mahoney, Lennahan, Henley, Nyambe, Jack Doyle, Dean Rittenberg, Lewis Mansell, WIllem Tomlinson, and finally Rankin-Costello

[Athlete]

I don't see Warren Joyce as a terrible appointment considering the names that have been thrown about. If i could choose out of everyone I would be happy with Phil Parkinson but I want a manager with a long term goal. Putting the owners aside for a second the problem i had with Paul Lambert was his constant moaning and his short term vision of just wanting to be a premier league club. For me to survive in the EPL is harder than ever and we need to have an identity which first starts with the manager. I would like to see Warren Joyce as a manager only for the simple reason that he has plenty of youth to work with in the form of David Raya, Connor Mahoney, Lennahan, Henley, Nyambe, Jack Doyle, Dean Rittenberg, Lewis Mansell, WIllem Tomlinson, and finally Rankin-Costello

EPL we're in the Championship not premiership

[Rover_Shaun]

Warnock wouldn't touch Venky Rovers with a festered chip. Hence we are looking at nomarks like Redfearn, Slade and wannbabes like Joyce

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Funny how it seems the pro Bowyerites who couldn't accept the wheels had fallen off gaz's bandwagon are now almost clamouring on the Joyce one

These people seem to actually think exactly like the owners do yet still can't see that is exactly the same path that's led us to this mess in the first place. I think some spend too much time listening to the likes of those 'Speakman' characters !

It is even stranger that even after we appoint an experienced manager, let him bring in 7 of his own players, and were only marginally better off (in fact as a result of his reign, you could actually claim we are now worse off) some fans are still unwilling to give Bowyer any credit for the job he did in extremely difficult circumstances.

[bigbrandjohn]

Late push from another old favourite who wants to be closer to family. Pedigree looks consistent with our ambition. http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/36387772

[bluefred]

It is even stranger that even after we appoint an experienced manager, let him bring in 7 of his own players, and were only marginally better off (in fact as a result of his reign, you could actually claim we are now worse off) some fans are still unwilling to give Bowyer any credit for the job he did in extremely difficult circumstances.

bowyer did ok at the start but then it came apparent he was out of his depth .

[dallydally]

Warnock's odds shortened, Joyce's lengthened and Coyle in at 5/1

Please NO!

[ChrisyG]

This will go down in history as the shitest manager search ever conducted.

[ABBEY]

It is even stranger that even after we appoint an experienced manager, let him bring in 7 of his own players, and were only marginally better off (in fact as a result of his reign, you could actually claim we are now worse off) some fans are still unwilling to give Bowyer any credit for the job he did in extremely difficult circumstances.

JHC I despair .

[den]

It is even stranger that even after we appoint an experienced manager, let him bring in 7 of his own players, and were only marginally better off (in fact as a result of his reign, you could actually claim we are now worse off) some fans are still unwilling to give Bowyer any credit for the job he did in extremely difficult circumstances.

IMO, the football we played under Lambert until those three successive games when we had men sent off, followed then by losing two strikers for the rest of the season was better than anything we saw under Bowyer. Bowyer brought in not 7, but nearer 37 of his own players and we were heading downwards at a rate of knots.

[JHRover]

I don't see Warren Joyce as a terrible appointment considering the names that have been thrown about. If i could choose out of everyone I would be happy with Phil Parkinson but I want a manager with a long term goal. Putting the owners aside for a second the problem i had with Paul Lambert was his constant moaning and his short term vision of just wanting to be a premier league club. For me to survive in the EPL is harder than ever and we need to have an identity which first starts with the manager. I would like to see Warren Joyce as a manager only for the simple reason that he has plenty of youth to work with in the form of David Raya, Connor Mahoney, Lennahan, Henley, Nyambe, Jack Doyle, Dean Rittenberg, Lewis Mansell, WIllem Tomlinson, and finally Rankin-Costello

With the exception of Lenighan and Raya and possibly Mahoney and Nyambe at a stretch none of those people are ready for the cut and thrust of 3x a week Championship battles. We need seasoned pros who know who to fight for everything in this league on cold Tuesday nights in Ipswich. We aren't in a position to give kids a chance.

If we had a half decent squad in place then by all means transition 2-3 kids in over the course of a season when the opportunity arises. But were aren't there. We've got 13 contracted outfield players, of which probably 2 or more will be sold in the coming months. That will leave us needing 15 or more new signings. Attempting to avoid that by throwing teenagers into the first team will not only see us relegated, but would possible cause irretrievable damage to their careers.

Its fantasy world stuff. The Championship is a battle ground, not a place for teams of kids to develop in good time.

Henley shouldn't be included in that list. He doesn't count as youth anymore, he's a senior player at the club now and if we weren't so short on numbers he'd be the first I'd be looking to move on elsewhere this summer.

[DE.]

This will go down in history as the shitest manager search ever conducted.

To be fair, it took us over a month to appoint Henning Berg and that was during the campaign. With Holloway allegedly walking out half way through an interview with Shebby/Shelfy that might still go down as the most ridiculous manager search. I think that was the one where Judan Ali was in the frame, too?

[K-Hod]

It is even stranger that even after we appoint an experienced manager, let him bring in 7 of his own players, and were only marginally better off (in fact as a result of his reign, you could actually claim we are now worse off) some fans are still unwilling to give Bowyer any credit for the job he did in extremely difficult circumstances.

You could only claim that if you're impatient and you write managers off without a full pre-season. Don't you think he'd have signed the loanees on permanent deals if he'd been allowed?

Bowyer did a decent job, but when he didn't get a squad promoted containing King, Gestede, Rhodes (with 40 goals between them), Judge and Cairney, then frankly that was totally unacceptable. Why on earth he wouldn't focus on making us better defensively, when he'd got the attack down I'll never know.