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[Tom]

Living in Hull and being an ex Hull City ST holder (under duress from my Father) I am one of the few people who have witnessed Joyce's management. He was unbelievable for Hull City as a player and player manager, taking over from Mark Hateley with the club well adrift at the bottom of division 3. With Joyce at the helm they miraculously avoided relegation against all odds. This season is remembered as the 'great escape' in these parts and from this lowest ebb in the clubs history, they have barely looked back since. I was really excited to hear he was linked with the rovers job as he is a legend in these parts. He created an amazing camaraderie and combined it with tactical nous. He has managed a club in dire straits before and is not just a coach! He has always done well in his career as player, manager, and youth coach. He is hard working and honest. I think he is worth a punt!

Thanks for this it's nice to hear a different viewpoint with a reason behind it.

Logic says Warnock should be the man but it's clear we don't use logic so out of all the gambles and desperadoes I think there's a chance he could be decent. Good managers all develop somewhere first so you never know.

[RevidgeBlue]

Warnock is my first choice but that bird seems to have flown.

Didn't realise Warwick only did a 3/4 day week at Rotherham. No doubt connected to his wife being very ill.

In those circumstances you'd have to have a Warnock/Joyce duo with Warnock sticking his head round the dressing room door at 2.30 Saturday to fire them up etc

[BigBeard]

Oh man .. I got me a newbie stalker[/quote

Didn't realise I be made so welcome on this site .... Why don't we meet up at the boycott shouldn't be hard to spot you

[47er]

Tom, it's a gamble as you say. It's always a gamble under these spivs because the chief criterion is "cheap",the second is "keep your trap shut".

If Joyce turns out star youngsters who will benefit? Not us.

[tomphil]

Well whoever it is it needs to be done tomorrow. They need to stop dithering now and bite the bullet and just do it. They'll know who they are appointing in India, they'll have laid their bets ages ago.

You've had your fun Venkys and agents, you've saved a few quid on wages and let go a load of 10k pwk'ers, you'll make your money on your bet slips so just get the @#/? on with it and put us all out of our misery!

Or rather start another set of new misery

[47er]

Didn't realise Warwick only did a 3/4 day week at Rotherham. No doubt connected to his wife being very ill.

In those circumstances you'd have to have a Warnock/Joyce duo with Warnock sticking his head round the dressing room door at 2.30 Saturday to fire them up etc

Kenny went missing most of the week. Warnock did the job at Rotherham whatever his hours.

It's a results business which is why full time Bowyer didn't cut it.

[Dunnfc]

Ah yes, the Bowyer fanboy who was calling for Lambert's head after a few months.

That would suit you down to the ground, wouldn't it?

Same record win percentage wise roughly wasn't it must be done to a 1%?

Didn't think Lambert was up to much, he could have done better. His football was beyond dire, tactics questionnable and drew only negativity to the club. Other than Norwich the bloke hasn't done much has he? For an ex midfielder his sides prouduced the least in terms of control, creativity and possesion during games.

In the terms of Gaz better the devil you know.... looking at the names linked wouldn't you?

[47er]

All your comments above apply to Bowyer. As for results, 3 wins out of 16 league games=relegation.

You can't argue that stat away.

Beginning to think you are on a wind-up. You must know there is zero chance of a Bowyer return.

[RevidgeBlue]

Kenny went missing most of the week. Warnock did the job at Rotherham whatever his hours.

It's a results business which is why full time Bowyer didn't cut it.

I was about to post that apparently Kenny's style was a bit like that at times. The best one for doing that though was reportedly Jack Charlton. The players apparently didn't see him from one week to the next but if it works why knock it?

Just for clarification, I've never advocated the return of Bowyer as manager and never would no matter how bad the other names mentioned. As far as I'm concerned he had his chance and didn't prove good enough.

[oldjamfan1]

though personally I found him to be such a dour boring man I couldn't even bare to listen to him during the periods that we where doing ok and was relieved to see him go tbh, i prefer managers that have charisma and natural aura of authority about them(souness, dalglish, allardyce, hughes all strong charasmatic personality types) i think managers like that breath confidence into those around them.

Kenny Dalglish and Mark Hughes have many fantastic qualities. Charisma is not one of them!

[deryck guyler's spoon]

I was about to post that apparently Kenny's style was a bit like that at times. The best one for doing that though was reportedly Jack Charlton. The players apparently didn't see him from one week to the next but if it works why knock it?

Likewise Martin O'Neill and the one and only Brian Clough.

[JHRover]

I think we should have another poll:

'How many of the 14 voters who WANT Warren Joyce to be the next manager of Blackburn Rovers Football Club had heard of the bloke on Sunday afternoon?'

and

'Out of those who had heard of him, how many knew what job he currently did or anything about his coaching experience?'

I think I'm going to give up. I really do. 8% of voters WANT Joyce to be our next manager. I really don't know what to say from here on in. After everything we've been through over the last 5 years with unqualified or underqualified people occupying the dugout at Ewood Park and yet people still embrace the idea of another nonentity youth coach rolling into town. I think its nearly time to give up and emigrate.

[Mani]

Haha it's fine by me guys, I'm big and ugly enough to take the banter on the chin. Plus, I understand how passionate people are. We all want to believe the stuff which fit into our beliefs. I am a Rovers fan who has several ties to football through friends and associates. I only ever pass the info I get from the horses mouth. I don't usually bother with the other stuff as it is usually gossip...

Two bits of info passed on recently both came from the person in question:

Moyes was sounded out by a rep of the club and is / was interested in the post. I'd imagine there were many in this boat and it's fairly obvious that this hasn't been developed by the club or Moyes.

On Tuesday I was told that Warren Joyce had been interviewed by Rovers for 3hrs (on Monday) and was awaiting confirmation on assurances before signing. Again horses mouth and that info broke in the media today and has been corroborated.

You win some, you lose some.

I apologise for the occasional condescending tone on here but in all honesty when you see people trying to pass stuff off as fact or calling you a liar when you actually got the info from Moyes, Joyce or whoever it does begin to grate...

On a lighter note, during one of my recent (last couple of weeks) exchanges with Athlete he was goading me about Moyes and I let slip that he was seething after missing out on the Villa job to an Italian....Di Matteo was 4/1 to get the villa job at that time...wondered if anyone had picked up on it. Don't usually miss much you lot!! Haha

Anyway, if I hear anything decent, I'll post it. Genuinely not for me. I live around this madness anyway. Just think I'd want to know...

Joyce with Irvine and Kelly?

Interesting....never miss much you pal!

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Cheers.

Athlete will be along to call you a tit momentarily.

[Mani]

Cheers.

Athlete will be along to call you a tit momentarily.

Haha can't wait. I'm just hoping for some signs of grammatical improvement from him initially. 😎

[jw_]

I think we should have another poll:

'How many of the 14 voters who WANT Warren Joyce to be the next manager of Blackburn Rovers Football Club had heard of the bloke on Sunday afternoon?'

and

'Out of those who had heard of him, how many knew what job he currently did or anything about his coaching experience?'

I think I'm going to give up. I really do. 8% of voters WANT Joyce to be our next manager. I really don't know what to say from here on in. After everything we've been through over the last 5 years with unqualified or underqualified people occupying the dugout at Ewood Park and yet people still embrace the idea of another nonentity youth coach rolling into town. I think its nearly time to give up and emigrate.

It wont work mate I've been in Oz for donkeys years but still follow Rovers, it's in the blood.

[Stuart]

You know what's more depressing than the thought of another novice? The thought of a novice turning us down.

Why would they receive any assurances (from Venkys), and why would they believe them?

It's looking more and more like Irvine and Kelly every day. If they walked then I think it would be Dunn and/or Johnson.

We are completely dysfunctional and reliant on ignorami - for everything.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Haha it's fine by me guys, I'm big and ugly enough to take the banter on the chin. Plus, I understand how passionate people are. We all want to believe the stuff which fit into our beliefs. I am a Rovers fan who has several ties to football through friends and associates. I only ever pass the info I get from the horses mouth. I don't usually bother with the other stuff as it is usually gossip...

Two bits of info passed on recently both came from the person in question:

Moyes was sounded out by a rep of the club and is / was interested in the post. I'd imagine there were many in this boat and it's fairly obvious that this hasn't been developed by the club or Moyes.

On Tuesday I was told that Warren Joyce had been interviewed by Rovers for 3hrs (on Monday) and was awaiting confirmation on assurances before signing. Again horses mouth and that info broke in the media today and has been corroborated.

You win some, you lose some.

I apologise for the occasional condescending tone on here but in all honesty when you see people trying to pass stuff off as fact or calling you a liar when you actually got the info from Moyes, Joyce or whoever it does begin to grate...

On a lighter note, during one of my recent (last couple of weeks) exchanges with Athlete he was goading me about Moyes and I let slip that he was seething after missing out on the Villa job to an Italian....Di Matteo was 4/1 to get the villa job at that time...wondered if anyone had picked up on it. Don't usually miss much you lot!! Haha

Anyway, if I hear anything decent, I'll post it. Genuinely not for me. I live around this madness anyway. Just think I'd want to know...

Interesting....never miss much you pal!

Any indication that he is after a decent budget to spend on players? Is this the assurance he is after?

[Iceman]

Even Man United have a new manager already

[ABBEY]

Same record win percentage wise roughly wasn't it must be done to a 1%?

Didn't think Lambert was up to much, he could have done better. His football was beyond dire, tactics questionnable and drew only negativity to the club. Other than Norwich the bloke hasn't done much has he? For an ex midfielder his sides prouduced the least in terms of control, creativity and possesion during games.

In the terms of Gaz better the devil you know.... looking at the names linked wouldn't you?

we'd be playing in L1 in august if bowyer had stayed.

[dallydally]

Same record win percentage wise roughly wasn't it must be done to a 1%?

Didn't think Lambert was up to much, he could have done better. His football was beyond dire, tactics questionnable and drew only negativity to the club. Other than Norwich the bloke hasn't done much has he? For an ex midfielder his sides prouduced the least in terms of control, creativity and possesion during games.

In the terms of Gaz better the devil you know.... looking at the names linked wouldn't you?

Totally agree re Lambert

[Blue Cabbage]

Let's see how Lambert stacks up against the next (none) manager then shall we?

It wasn't a glittering career he had here let's be honest but it was always about summer for him, shame he didn't have the opportunity to put it into practice.

I, personally, appreciated his outbursts in the media directed at the V's, even if it did sign his own warrant.

We'll be yearning for him before Christmas.

I dread to think who'll be in charge for the first game and what 11 we put out

[Parsonblue]

I think we should have another poll:

'How many of the 14 voters who WANT Warren Joyce to be the next manager of Blackburn Rovers Football Club had heard of the bloke on Sunday afternoon?'

and

'Out of those who had heard of him, how many knew what job he currently did or anything about his coaching experience?'

I think I'm going to give up. I really do. 8% of voters WANT Joyce to be our next manager. I really don't know what to say from here on in. After everything we've been through over the last 5 years with unqualified or underqualified people occupying the dugout at Ewood Park and yet people still embrace the idea of another nonentity youth coach rolling into town. I think its nearly time to give up and emigrate.

Speaking as someone who wouldn't be averse to Joyce being given the job, I think anyone who has watched and followed Under-21 football will have known about him for some time. I well remember watching a game at Altrincham many years ago when Solskjaer was the manager but it was Joyce who was doing all the coaching from the touchline. He's been around a long time and is highly regarded for his coaching ability. Whilst in normal circumstances I think we would all want someone with experience, particularly of the Championship, the fact remains that the owners want to operate in a certain way. Lambert was clearly frustrated by not being allowed to spend the money he thought was required to build a squad capable of challenging for promotion. In that respect nothing has changed.

Whoever gets the job will have to work without money and bring in players who are cheap or who have been released and then improve them. He will have to develop the youngsters that we have in the Under-21's and try to bring them through to the first team. I think someone like Warnock or Davies would become just as frustrated as Lambert, particularly when they are unable to communicate those frustrations to the owners. Bowyer, did a decent job and despite poor results at the start of the season, the performances, particularly in away games, suggested he would have kept us up. In many ways Bowyer filled the remit that the owners are looking far - someone to bring players in, improve them, and allow the owners to sell them for a large profit. It's a far cry from what we had under Jack or the Trust, but it's what we have done in the past and seems to be the way the owners want to operate. In those circumstances we need a manager who has experience of working with no money and improving players on the training ground. If only we could find another Gordon Lee!

[Mani]

Any indication that he is after a decent budget to spend on players? Is this the assurance he is after?

No mate. Didn't get that info. Got the feeling it was more assurances around control of the whole club in terms of football. As said before, he would look to build every part of the club in terms of football not business.

Not beyond the realms of possibility because Gaz had the same agreement. The budget is the budget.

we'd be playing in L1 in august if bowyer had stayed.

Impossible to compare Gaz and Lambert. Gaz had no money for 18 months and his squad deteriorated because of this. They sacked him and came out of FFP and then gave Lambert an opportunity to bring in who he wanted...in truth his signings were generally poor and we weren't a million miles from relegation.

FYI - Lennon had same / similar restrictions to Gaz for 6 months and they were gone by Christmas. I'm not saying that Gaz hadn't run his course. But looking at it all contextually he did a very good job. I'm not sure that throwing millions at Lambert would've guaranteed anything.

[AJW]

Haha it's fine by me guys, I'm big and ugly enough to take the banter on the chin. Plus, I understand how passionate people are. We all want to believe the stuff which fit into our beliefs. I am a Rovers fan who has several ties to football through friends and associates. I only ever pass the info I get from the horses mouth. I don't usually bother with the other stuff as it is usually gossip...

Two bits of info passed on recently both came from the person in question:

Moyes was sounded out by a rep of the club and is / was interested in the post. I'd imagine there were many in this boat and it's fairly obvious that this hasn't been developed by the club or Moyes.

On Tuesday I was told that Warren Joyce had been interviewed by Rovers for 3hrs (on Monday) and was awaiting confirmation on assurances before signing. Again horses mouth and that info broke in the media today and has been corroborated.

You win some, you lose some.

I apologise for the occasional condescending tone on here but in all honesty when you see people trying to pass stuff off as fact or calling you a liar when you actually got the info from Moyes, Joyce or whoever it does begin to grate...

On a lighter note, during one of my recent (last couple of weeks) exchanges with Athlete he was goading me about Moyes and I let slip that he was seething after missing out on the Villa job to an Italian....Di Matteo was 4/1 to get the villa job at that time...wondered if anyone had picked up on it. Don't usually miss much you lot!! Haha

Anyway, if I hear anything decent, I'll post it. Genuinely not for me. I live around this madness anyway. Just think I'd want to know...

Interesting....never miss much you pal!

from your conversations regarding Joyce , was there any indication that he would be prepared to work with Irvine and Kelly or would he prefer his own people?