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[Speedie Dived]

Totally agree re Lambert

Why? He had one transfer window, identified a plan to take us forward, made us a better overall team and all in 6 months.

If he had been given what he wanted we would have challenged top 6 this year.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

In many ways Bowyer filled the remit that the owners are looking far - someone to bring players in, improve them, and allow the owners to sell them for a large profit. It's a far cry from what we had under Jack or the Trust, but it's what we have done in the past and seems to be the way the owners want to operate. In those circumstances we need a manager who has experience of working with no money and improving players on the training ground. If only we could find another Gordon Lee!

Is it that different from the days under the Walker Trust ? Yes we are a division lower thanks to our owners - but even in the Premiership we had to buy players for small fees and sell at profit to keep our head above water.

[chor808]

Well bank holiday weekend coming up, which mode are we in now, no rush take our time or we need to make a quick decision?

[Stuart]

Speaking as someone who wouldn't be averse to Joyce being given the job, I think anyone who has watched and followed Under-21 football will have known about him for some time. I well remember watching a game at Altrincham many years ago when Solskjaer was the manager but it was Joyce who was doing all the coaching from the touchline. He's been around a long time and is highly regarded for his coaching ability. Whilst in normal circumstances I think we would all want someone with experience, particularly of the Championship, the fact remains that the owners want to operate in a certain way. Lambert was clearly frustrated by not being allowed to spend the money he thought was required to build a squad capable of challenging for promotion. In that respect nothing has changed.

Whoever gets the job will have to work without money and bring in players who are cheap or who have been released and then improve them. He will have to develop the youngsters that we have in the Under-21's and try to bring them through to the first team. I think someone like Warnock or Davies would become just as frustrated as Lambert, particularly when they are unable to communicate those frustrations to the owners. Bowyer, did a decent job and despite poor results at the start of the season, the performances, particularly in away games, suggested he would have kept us up. In many ways Bowyer filled the remit that the owners are looking far - someone to bring players in, improve them, and allow the owners to sell them for a large profit. It's a far cry from what we had under Jack or the Trust, but it's what we have done in the past and seems to be the way the owners want to operate. In those circumstances we need a manager who has experience of working with no money and improving players on the training ground. If only we could find another Gordon Lee!

The more I read hear about Joyce the more I warm to the idea. But only in the context that we can't / won't get experience (we are back to the Bowyer conundrum before he is even here!).

However, if the limit of the owners is for him to do what he has been doing at United but at a struggling NW Championship club then what would be the point? By default, he would have no ambition.l, and if he harboured any then he would soon become frustrated and disillusioned.

His stock at bringing through youngsters is already high so what does he gain from doing this at Rovers? Is he looking to prove himself as a manger? Possibly. But he will soon be off and any long-term agenda would disappear ahead of he next merry-go-round.

The only thing left is money. Would Rovers offer a better package that United?

[Mani]

from your conversations regarding Joyce , was there any indication that he would be prepared to work with Irvine and Kelly or would he prefer his own people?

No, sorry nothing more really. Should get a bit if it happens though..👍🏽

[punerover]

Bowyer was a sissy(aka too much of a good guy) and Lambert was at the other end of the spectrum. We need a manager with a more balanced approach.

[MCMC1875]

Where's Grooby on the poll?

[Athlete]

Cheers.

Athlete will be along to call you a tit momentarily.

You're that fella..

I've stated whoever gets the gig isn't destined to succeed under this regime or non structure

Whoever gets it will need a lot of luck to keep us alive in the Championship

Just because someone runs the reserves or u21 @ man u doesn't make him any good I bet there'll be posters on here what could make a fist of that job with all the riches and cream of youngsters at Carrington

If Irvine is going to stay imo it'd be better to give him the job

[den]

Garner - get on with it.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/14519706.Simon_Garner_column__The_wait_must_end_____Blackburn_Rovers_need_to_appoint_a_new_manager/?ref=mac

[LDRover]

I think it's safe to say that whoever is appointed will be for the benefit of the owners and not the club.

[den]

Just over a week ago, the LT said the club hoped to have the new man in by today.

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[DE.]

Just over a week ago, the LT said the club hoped to have the new man in by today.

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Finger on the pulse as ever.

[dinglebasher]

Just over a week ago, the LT said the club hoped to have the new man in by today.

??????

It wouldn't surprise me if they'd already appointed someone but just forgot to announce it. Communication isn't exactly their strong point.

[tomphil]

Joyce with Irvine/Kelly sounds a bit like Ince with Tunks and the other fella

Who's leading who ? The boss is supposed to be the leader knowing what he's doing and the rest follow.! It's just not the right platform.

[JHRover]

It seems to me they are further away from appointing a new manager than they ever have been during this 7 week period.

The rumours and links have completely died down. The interview process is supposedly over yet no real idea from anyone who the famous 4 are that Cheston mentioned last week.

A quick glance at the bookies odds suggests other than Warnock and Joyce that nobody is really close, as demonstrated by Owen Coyle suddenly jumping from nowhere to 2nd favourite yesterday just because he left Houston Dynamo.

Now apparently Cheston is on his holidays and Pasha has gone back to India, so if a decision is made who will be presenting the new manager?

Its getting to the point of no return now though. Its June next week. The remnants of our butchered squad are returning for pre-season in around 4 weeks. Whoever gets the job is going to have to hit the ground running very quickly to assess what we've got and what we need and then go out into the transfer market and recruit 15+ players in a matter of a few weeks so that they are here and up to speed for the start of the new season. Quite why anyone thinks a bloke who has spent 8 years looking after United's teenagers is the right man to do that and navigate the minefield of the Championship and Venkys ownership I'm not sure. But good old Blackburn Rovers, always thinking of the bigger picture and prioritising other areas rather than purely football results. Its always been the case for as long as I can remember. Rather than going for the tried and tested safest options lets take unnecessary gambles with the clubs future to try and prove a point that we're 'better' than the tried and tested route and that we can do what no-one else has done for 30 years in recruiting an academy coach to step up to be our permanent manager.

[Neal]

Joyce with Irvine/Kelly sounds a bit like Ince with Tunks and the other fella

Who's leading who ? The boss is supposed to be the leader knowing what he's doing and the rest follow.! It's just not the right platform.

Archie Knox. Guy was well out of touch.

[G Somerset Rover]

Just over a week ago, the LT said the club hoped to have the new man in by today.

??????

Nixon gets more right than the LET at the moment, which says all you need to know.

Shocking negligence by the club though. As I said the other day, young stopper Raya is guaranteed a starting berth up front as things stand by default.

[JHRover]

Speaking as someone who wouldn't be averse to Joyce being given the job, I think anyone who has watched and followed Under-21 football will have known about him for some time. I well remember watching a game at Altrincham many years ago when Solskjaer was the manager but it was Joyce who was doing all the coaching from the touchline. He's been around a long time and is highly regarded for his coaching ability. Whilst in normal circumstances I think we would all want someone with experience, particularly of the Championship, the fact remains that the owners want to operate in a certain way. Lambert was clearly frustrated by not being allowed to spend the money he thought was required to build a squad capable of challenging for promotion. In that respect nothing has changed.

Whoever gets the job will have to work without money and bring in players who are cheap or who have been released and then improve them. He will have to develop the youngsters that we have in the Under-21's and try to bring them through to the first team. I think someone like Warnock or Davies would become just as frustrated as Lambert, particularly when they are unable to communicate those frustrations to the owners. Bowyer, did a decent job and despite poor results at the start of the season, the performances, particularly in away games, suggested he would have kept us up. In many ways Bowyer filled the remit that the owners are looking far - someone to bring players in, improve them, and allow the owners to sell them for a large profit. It's a far cry from what we had under Jack or the Trust, but it's what we have done in the past and seems to be the way the owners want to operate. In those circumstances we need a manager who has experience of working with no money and improving players on the training ground. If only we could find another Gordon Lee!

We need to realise that there is a third way. It isn't the case that if money is tight that immediately means we have to look at unproven managers and youth coaches. There are a lot of managers out there who have good track records who are very keen to get back into work and would embrace working for Blackburn Rovers. Maybe not people like Warnock and Davies, but there are others. Someone like Uwe Rosler would be a good shout, has a track record for playing decent football and has a lot of contacts in Europe and Scandinavia, so if the budget is tight could presumably recruit from there.

I mentioned it yesterday, but isn't it ironic that our 4 biggest academy successes in terms of first team contribution in recent seasons - Jones, Hanley, Lowe and Lenighan - were all given their big breaks by the experienced and tried and tested managers of Sam Allardyce and Paul Lambert. That suggests to me that at least in Rovers case in recent seasons the 'proven' managers have actually contributed more by way of nurturing our young talent than for example Bowyer, who, as good a job as he did, failed to really give anyone from the academy a consistent run in the team.

So this mentality that the only way we're going to develop young talent from the academy is by going out and appointing a youth coach is completely unfounded and false. Of course it could work, but for me it is a completely unnecessary and reckless gamble with the club's future at a pivotal stage in our history. Get this appointment wrong and it is highly likely we will end up in League One. I have no faith with our financial state, ownership, management and fanbase that we would return from League One. I am therefore extremely anxious about losing our Championship status, and want to do whatever it takes to ensure we keep it. As far as I am concerned prioritising youth development over football results will ensure relegation takes place. No other club in this league in recent seasons has successfully developed a conveyor belt of talent whilst succeeding on the pitch. That's why even those clubs in this league with extremely tight resources - Ipswich and Rotherham as examples - have both got clued up chairmen who know the first step to take is to make 'safe' appointments by going for people who know this division or have decent track records as managers.

I agree that Bowyer did fill the supposed remit we have of profiting on player trading whilst maintaining Championship status. Of all those linked he ticks most of the boxes. Ex-Rovers, available, willing to return, proven at this level, excellent returns on his signings. It makes the decision to dispose of him in November all the more baffling. I'd go and pick him up now if it was a choice between him or Joyce/Redfearn/Hill.

[tomphil]

Archie Knox. Guy was well out of touch.

That was him, at least Irvine & Kelly aren't lower league dinosaurs like them two suddenly in charge of experienced Prem players and internationals I suppose. Drop and give me twenty !!!

However my point stands on the leadership thing and who the players will end up taking more notice of.

[JHRover]

Archie Knox. Guy was well out of touch.

Not to forget Ray Mathias and Nigel Winterburn....

[tomphil]

We need to realise that there is a third way. It isn't the case that if money is tight that immediately means we have to look at unproven managers and youth coaches. There are a lot of managers out there who have good track records who are very keen to get back into work and would embrace working for Blackburn Rovers. Maybe not people like Warnock and Davies, but there are others. Someone like Uwe Rosler would be a good shout, has a track record for playing decent football and has a lot of contacts in Europe and Scandinavia, so if the budget is tight could presumably recruit from there.

I mentioned it yesterday, but isn't it ironic that our 4 biggest academy successes in terms of first team contribution in recent seasons - Jones, Hanley, Lowe and Lenighan - were all given their big breaks by the experienced and tried and tested managers of Sam Allardyce and Paul Lambert. That suggests to me that at least in Rovers case in recent seasons the 'proven' managers have actually contributed more by way of nurturing our young talent than for example Bowyer, who, as good a job as he did, failed to really give anyone from the academy a consistent run in the team.

So this mentality that the only way we're going to develop young talent from the academy is by going out and appointing a youth coach is completely unfounded and false. Of course it could work, but for me it is a completely unnecessary and reckless gamble with the club's future at a pivotal stage in our history. Get this appointment wrong and it is highly likely we will end up in League One. I have no faith with our financial state, ownership, management and fanbase that we would return from League One. I am therefore extremely anxious about losing our Championship status, and want to do whatever it takes to ensure we keep it. As far as I am concerned prioritising youth development over football results will ensure relegation takes place. No other club in this league in recent seasons has successfully developed a conveyor belt of talent whilst succeeding on the pitch. That's why even those clubs in this league with extremely tight resources - Ipswich and Rotherham as examples - have both got clued up chairmen who know the first step to take is to make 'safe' appointments by going for people who know this division or have decent track records as managers.

I agree that Bowyer did fill the supposed remit we have of profiting on player trading whilst maintaining Championship status. Of all those linked he ticks most of the boxes. Ex-Rovers, available, willing to return, proven at this level, excellent returns on his signings. It makes the decision to dispose of him in November all the more baffling. I'd go and pick him up now if it was a choice between him or Joyce/Redfearn/Hill.

I would think as regards the youth thing you need the very best guys coaching the youth and the very best guy overseeing the recruitment of that youth. Maybe a director of football type with a good budget soley for the youth set up and their recruitment.

Then you have an experienced first team manager doing his job of getting results on matchday and maybe a coach under him who can link the two together. You'd then have to have that manager under the remit that something like one or two youngsters per season have to be promoted to being in the first team squad. Also the last 5 matches of every season if there is nothing to play for then youth must get a chance.

Sounds easy I know but surely it's workable if the first team is good enough to be competitive in it's division.

[Parsonblue]

I don't disagree with much of what you say JHR. I agree that Bowyer is exactly the perfect fit for what the owners now seem to be looking for. Indeed, his sacking and then the subsequent way they treated Lambert is baffling to say the least. Developing youth whilst enjoying success on the pitch is almost impossible - I think the late 1950s/early 1960s was the last time the Rovers managed it for a few short seasons. However, I'm not convinced that is what the owners actually want. They seem to have settled for Championship football and anything outside a the bottom three finish will be regarded as success. If the object is to try to make the club self sufficient - which seems to be the aim, and a pretty futile one - then it will be history repeating itself - develop a few players, hopefully one stands out from the rest and then sell him - Simon Barker, Kevin Hird, John Bailey being examples from the late 70s/early 80s. You are right that no other club is thinking like this, but then, no other club is run like ours. The fact that the one remaining director - in charge of everything - decides to take a holiday at the most crucial point of year in terms of work to be done off the field tells you all you need to know about the club's admin and ambition. I don't think an established manager will take this job - hopefully I'm wrong - but of the names that have been mentioned, outside of the likes of Warnock and Davies, then Joyce seems more appealing with every name that's dredged up.

[Leonard Venkhater]

I think it's safe to say that whoever is appointed will be for the benefit of the owners and not the club.

benefit of the agent?

[LDRover]

benefit of the agent?

I did specify "owners" Len. 😉

[perthblue02]

It wouldn't surprise me if they'd already appointed someone but just forgot to announce it. Communication isn't exactly their strong point.

We would like to comment on reports in the press that we are conducting a managers search, this is not true as we have been watching the cricket and the club accountant is on holiday , therefore we are pleased to announce Owen Coyle as first team coach. We must reiterate our commitment to the Agents and their familys and hope we can preserve the legacy of our glorious reign at Blackburn Rivers Social Club