[Archived] Boycott

[ABBEY]

Of course nobody agrees with the way the club is run at present. But ultimately, I still enjoy watching my club play football and that is what it is all about for me. Look at what Portsmouth endured - far worse than what has happened here - and yet their fans stuck with it and have come through the other side and are able to think about rebuilding. We are not the first club to have shocking owners and we certainly won't be the last. The support may well be down to levels of 8,000 or so, but ultimately it's about the club surviving and retaining as much of it's present infrastructure as possible to ensure the club can rebuild under new owners. And no Abbey, it's not Venky FC it's still Blackburn Rovers F.C. and long may it continue to be.

If you think it's being run bad don't go , stand up to them . Our situation is far worse than Pompey , granted we've not gone through the divisions (Yet)

Love rovers hate Venky FC

Actually, I don't believe we will get to that stage arbitro. I'm not saying there won't be further cut backs, I suspect there will, be we are some way off what happened to Portsmouth. At some point Venky's will look to get out and at the moment the club's infrastructure at Ewood and Brockhall are going to be the main things which might attract a buyer to offer something close to what Venky's may want.

The only thing the venkys require will absolution off her majesty service

Oh, we're not at Pompey level of asset-stripping yet... Hallelujah! I thought we were in trouble for a second.

So true . Fiddlers will fiddle whilst Ewood burns

[tonyoz]

The club had a pre-tax loss of 17.2m last year. Better than the staggering 42.1m loss the year before. How have we managed to survive that? Venkys have given us an interest free loan of 87m!!

Some day, they will walk away..........God knows what happens then but it won't be pretty.

Pure madness.

[Stuart]

Some of the emotional elements of it are Stuart.

Fundamentally different though. Your great-grandad with dementia is still your great-grandad. He didn't become ill on purpose.

I'll leave it there as it's potentially a deeply personal issue.

[Mike E]

Fundamentally different though. Your great-grandad with dementia is still your great-grandad. He didn't become ill on purpose.

I'll leave it there as it's potentially a deeply personal issue.

Blackburn Rovers with crap owners is still Blackburn Rovers.

[ABBEY]

Venky fc

[chaddyrovers]

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[ABBEY]

Your best post ever

[tomphil]

The club had a pre-tax loss of 17.2m last year. Better than the staggering 42.1m loss the year before. How have we managed to survive that? Venkys have given us an interest free loan of 87m!!

Some day, they will walk away..........God knows what happens then but it won't be pretty.

Pure madness.

They've created the losses lets not try and pretend any different it's all down to them and they alone should write that off end of. Either then do one or start afresh and run it properly with a sensible yearly budget.

It's of their making and their associates so why should the club and everyone else suffer, in this world you pay for mistakes/crimes. With the money they are so called worth they could end this madness in ten mins flat with one press of a key.

Half the clubs in this league lose money year on year and need outside funding just to exist and go nowhere, that's the game they got themselves into.

Enough of the veiled praise, oh and why does everyone from Australia seem to make excuses up for them ?

[JHRover]

They've created the losses lets not try and pretend any different it's all down to them and they alone should write that off end of. Either then do one or start afresh and run it properly with a sensible yearly budget.

It's of their making and their associates so why should the club and everyone else suffer, in this world you pay for mistakes/crimes. With the money they are so called worth they could end this madness in ten mins flat with one press of a key.

Half the clubs in this league lose money year on year and need outside funding just to exist and go nowhere, that's the game they got themselves into.

Enough of the veiled praise, oh and why does everyone from Australia seem to make excuses up for them ?

Indeed. Losing money is the name of the game in this division. Football club owners get involved knowing that if you don't get to the Premier League then you're going to lose money. This lot had the enviable position of taking over an established Premier League club on the cheap with everything in place for a sustainable future at the top table - first class infrastructure, facilities, academy, manageable debt, sensible wage bill, capable management team.

Their decisions and theirs alone wrecked all that and put this club into the Championship. Their mismanagement caused the club to waste away the parachute money and accumulate staggering debts and losses. Their decision making has seen us onto our seventh permanent manager in less than 6 years. If they don't understand that their decisions are solely responsible for the mess we're now in then they really are on a different planet.

We're not losing £20 million a year because of anything other than them. As owners of the club they 'signed up' for the responsibility of meeting those obligations.

Its staggering really. These days West Brom are up for sale for £150 million. Five years ago these charlatans bought this club for £20 million. That's the way the Premier League is going. I still struggle to believe that the trust were so desperate to sell when the value of their 'asset' was only going to go up over time, but for Venkys they picked up a good club in a good place for an unbelievably good price, and they made a mess of it. If they didn't want to lose money they should have thought about that before some of the shocking decisions they made and continue to make.

[oldjamfan1]

Fundamentally different though. Your great-grandad with dementia is still your great-grandad. He didn't become ill on purpose.

I'll leave it there as it's potentially a deeply personal issue.

He isn't directly comparing the illness of dementia with Rovers though Stuart, is he? There are elements of the analogy that explain very well for me why it is difficult to simply stop going to the Rovers. There is an emotional attachment. And I speak as someone who helped to nurse his late mother-in-law through many horrible years of Alzheimer's Disease.

[Exiled in Toronto]

To me, looking in from the outside, the hurting them financially justification is cobblers - it really is a drop in the ocean to them financially. They make more money in ten seconds than any one fan's annual contribution.

The empty stadium hope is spurious - there's already 5,000 season tickets sold a month before kick-off. There are no means by which an empty stadium can be achieved. We've had a reputation for crap home gates my entire life, that's all anyone will see when our gates keep declining.

The issue of boycotting or not comes down to a simple issue: do you want to reject the regime in all its forms, or are you willing to put up with it hoping that things will eventually improve? I've known Arbitro since we were 5 and I know how difficult a decision it was and is for him to boycott, but I 100% agree with his stance: boycott on principle means 100% boycott - a total rejection of the regime and all it stands for, none of this away game fun day out bo11ocks.

Either way it's a personal decision and not one to preach about to those who take the other route.

[Parsonblue]

Venky fc

No such club last time I looked at the membership of the Football League.

[savage90]

There's a nice yellow and black scarf here for £7.20

A few thousand of these would stand out!

http://www.footballflags.co.uk/knitted-team-scarf-two-tone-140cm-20cm.html

Venky's out!

[tomphil]

He isn't directly comparing the illness of dementia with Rovers though Stuart, is he? There are elements of the analogy that explain very well for me why it is difficult to simply stop going to the Rovers. There is an emotional attachment. And I speak as someone who helped to nurse his late mother-in-law through many horrible years of Alzheimer's Disease.

I did with my old man 24/7 for 7 months and it was beyond horrendous. I wish I could forget about about Rovers and the way it's been wrecked and those responsible but I can't. I certainly won't be shamed into going by another gravy train riding jumped up clueless twerp of a yes man though.

[ABBEY]

To me, looking in from the outside, the hurting them financially justification is cobblers - it really is a drop in the ocean to them financially. They make more money in ten seconds than any one fan's annual contribution.

The empty stadium hope is spurious - there's already 5,000 season tickets sold a month before kick-off. There are no means by which an empty stadium can be achieved. We've had a reputation for crap home gates my entire life, that's all anyone will see when our gates keep declining.

The issue of boycotting or not comes down to a simple issue: do you want to reject the regime in all its forms, or are you willing to put up with it hoping that things will eventually improve? I've known Arbitro since we were 5 and I know how difficult a decision it was and is for him to boycott, but I 100% agree with his stance: boycott on principle means 100% boycott - a total rejection of the regime and all it stands for, none of this away game fun day out bo11ocks.

Either way it's a personal decision and not one to preach about to those who take the other route.

not often I agree with you but this is 100% spot on.

[ABBEY]

No such club last time I looked at the membership of the Football League.

**sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh***

[A cup of beans]

Actually, I don't believe we will get to that stage arbitro. I'm not saying there won't be further cut backs, I suspect there will, be we are some way off what happened to Portsmouth. At some point Venky's will look to get out and at the moment the club's infrastructure at Ewood and Brockhall are going to be the main things which might attract a buyer to offer something close to what Venky's may want.

I'll ask, in all respect, where does your optimism and excitement come from ? Recent history has shown we have zero ambition and zero chance of promotion.

You're loyal to the core, and I hate to do you down. I'm just baffled at your acceptance and optimism, where there is no sign of any.

I'd expect it of someone like, Chaddy. I struggle to understand your views.

Not renewing is painful to me, and ,believe me, I'd love there to be something to convince me to return.

[ABBEY]

What he said

[Parsonblue]

I'll ask, in all respect, where does your optimism and excitement come from ? Recent history has shown we have zero ambition and zero chance of promotion.

You're loyal to the core, and I hate to do you down. I'm just baffled at your acceptance and optimism, where there is no sign of any.

I'd expect it of someone like, Chaddy. I struggle to understand your views.

Not renewing is painful to me, and ,believe me, I'd love there to be something to convince me to return.

Bottom line is that I have supported the club since being a little lad and now I'm in my sixties. Blackburn Rovers has been a huge part of my life and I won't walk away. I fully respect the views of those who think differently, but I go to games with friends and we still enjoy the football and the social side of things. There are tough times ahead, of course there are, but I was brought up to believe that you stick with things through the difficult times and heaven knows we have had some tough times in the past. I know that isn't a view that is held by everyone but it's the view I hold and that's why I will continue attending. With or without Venky's the club's survival is the only thing that interests me. I have no problem with Coyle being an ex-Burnley manager, heaven knows I've cheered on enough ex-Burnley players who have joined the Rovers in the past and whilst I have my doubts about him - based on what happened after leaving the Turf - I'm happy to give him a chance and support him in the same way I did all managers except one. I don't expect to see the club challenging at the top end of the table, but it won't be the first time that I have gone into a season knowing that staying in the division would be an achievement. I'm hoping to see the further development of younger players in the Under-21's this season and that is a plus point.

[roverandout]

So u have basically accepted things as they are now which means you are condoning venkys ownership

[onlyonejackwalker]

Bottom line is that I have supported the club since being a little lad and now I'm in my sixties. Blackburn Rovers has been a huge part of my life and I won't walk away. I fully respect the views of those who think differently, but I go to games with friends and we still enjoy the football and the social side of things. There are tough times ahead, of course there are, but I was brought up to believe that you stick with things through the difficult times and heaven knows we have had some tough times in the past. I know that isn't a view that is held by everyone but it's the view I hold and that's why I will continue attending. With or without Venky's the club's survival is the only thing that interests me. I have no problem with Coyle being an ex-Burnley manager, heaven knows I've cheered on enough ex-Burnley players who have joined the Rovers in the past and whilst I have my doubts about him - based on what happened after leaving the Turf - I'm happy to give him a chance and support him in the same way I did all managers except one. I don't expect to see the club challenging at the top end of the table, but it won't be the first time that I have gone into a season knowing that staying in the division would be an achievement. I'm hoping to see the further development of younger players in the Under-21's this season and that is a plus point.

Glad your posting more regularly again PB.

Wish I could share your enthusiasm but unfortunately I have not enjoyed attending the Rovers since Allardyce was potted.

[gumboots]

Bottom line is that I have supported the club since being a little lad and now I'm in my sixties. Blackburn Rovers has been a huge part of my life and I won't walk away. I fully respect the views of those who think differently, but I go to games with friends and we still enjoy the football and the social side of things. There are tough times ahead, of course there are, but I was brought up to believe that you stick with things through the difficult times and heaven knows we have had some tough times in the past. I know that isn't a view that is held by everyone but it's the view I hold and that's why I will continue attending. With or without Venky's the club's survival is the only thing that interests me. I have no problem with Coyle being an ex-Burnley manager, heaven knows I've cheered on enough ex-Burnley players who have joined the Rovers in the past and whilst I have my doubts about him - based on what happened after leaving the Turf - I'm happy to give him a chance and support him in the same way I did all managers except one. I don't expect to see the club challenging at the top end of the table, but it won't be the first time that I have gone into a season knowing that staying in the division would be an achievement. I'm hoping to see the further development of younger players in the Under-21's this season and that is a plus point.

I dont think they will be in the u21s though.they will be pushed into the first team whether they are ready or not as we are short of players, destroying confidence and possibly damaging physically

[Mike E]

-Edited out this bit as it's irrelevant without the post hidden earlier-

As for my analogy, I even originally said 'it's not quite the same', and assumed it was clear I was referring to emotional attachment over logic. Clearly not...

[Stuart]

Blackburn Rovers with crap owners is still Blackburn Rovers.

Perhaps but you would no longer visit them and expect to get the same experience that you used to get. It would be out of duty or a sense of love. With dementia there is no hope of recovery, it's degenerative but with Rovers there is a potential way back but it requires removal of Venkys.

It's more like visiting a relative who is hooked on drugs and won't help themselves, and want to bring you down with them. People have different levels of patience but ultimately when the love disappears, the sense of duty does too.

[oldjamfan1]

It's more like visiting a relative who is hooked on drugs and won't help themselves, and want to bring you down with them. People have different levels of patience but ultimately when the love disappears, the sense of duty does too.

That's a good analogy too Stuart. And the point is Mike was explaining that his love (for the club, not the owners) hasn't disappeared completely, which makes it difficult to just walk away.