[Archived] Grant Hanley

[Jock]

If the expenditure has out weighed the Income by £20 million per year, then yes over 5 years £100 million. Look closely at the transfers out though compared to the transfers in. I think you will find we have brought a lot more in and I for the life in me, cant see where £100 Million has been needed to be pumped in. Something does not add up.

Fees for agents is probably massive. Strange that~

[1arC]

Fees for agents is probably massive. Strange that~

Fees for agents are very hight and eyebrows must be raised. Thinks of these transfers though and where did this money go?

Phil Jones

Fees for agents is probably massive. Strange that~

Yes very strange and raises a few eyebrows. Think of these transfers though and ask yourself, where did this money go?

Phil Jones £17M

Chris Samba £12M

Rudy Gested £ 6M

Junior Hoilet £ 4M

Gael Givet £ 4M

Total for just those 5 players £43 Million. Does this really all add up?

[MrT]

It does when you factor in all the players like 15k per week Myles (Hamperman) Anderson, 15k Bruno Ribero lol Vuckevic, Petrovic. Bradley whore, Murphy, Best, Etuhu the portugeezers etc etc etc

Also all the NDAs all the AGENTS FEES 💷 All the pay offs, and management changes, all this is where the major losses will be, then factor in loss of revenue streams vs operating costs and your looking at a financial nightmare and a need for very deep pockets.

All of which may I add has been done by or facilitated by Venkys, their name is over the door, they are responsible for the financial mismagement of the club, simple as.

[1arC]

There has been around £150 Million come into BRFC (Venky's) coffers in the last 5 years. This is mainly in the form of player Sales, premier league prize/parachute payments, advertising and gate receipts. We are over £100 Million in debt, so have we really spent over £250 Million? Do the sums, I don't honestly think we have!

[JBiz]

Add the wage bill alone for the same 6 seasons.

Quote from rover Canada;

2010: turnover £57.8M, wages £47.4M (PL)

2011: turnover £57.6M, wages £49.9M (PL)

2012: turnover £54.2M, wages £50.0M (PL)

2013: turnover £26.4M, wages £36.6M (Championship)

2014: turnover £30.4M, wages £34.5M (Championship)

2015: turnover £22.4M, wages £26.9M (Championship)

[AggyBlue]

There has been around £150 Million come into BRFC (Venky's) coffers in the last 5 years. This is mainly in the form of player Sales, premier league prize/parachute payments, advertising and gate receipts. We are over £100 Million in debt, so have we really spent over £250 Million? Do the sums, I don't honestly think we have!

What's the Fraud Squads number?

[ABBEY]

Add the wage bill alone for the same 6 seasons.

Quote from rover Canada;

2010: turnover £57.8M, wages £47.4M (PL)

2011: turnover £57.6M, wages £49.9M (PL)

2012: turnover £54.2M, wages £50.0M (PL)

2013: turnover £26.4M, wages £36.6M (Championship)

2014: turnover £30.4M, wages £34.5M (Championship)

2015: turnover £22.4M, wages £26.9M (Championship)

you know these are the truth and the whole truthand nothing but the truth ?

[1arC]

I have done a bit more research on this and from what I can gather from Google, the premier league money for the two seasons since Venky's came in plus the parachute funds are below. I guess you could argue that the Walker trust got some of the prize money for season 2010/11 I honestly don't know. Add to that a conservative £90 million on player sales and also the debt to Venky's and the Bank of India and this is a staggering £332 Million Plus. It is out there for anyone to check, but I challenge anyone to tell me that something strange is going on with our accounts!

Premier League Prize Money 2010/11 £42,107

Premier League Prize Money 2011/12 £40,317

Parachute Money 2012/13 £15,575

Parachute Money 2013/14 £19,300

Parachute Money 2014/15 £10.131

Parachute Money 2015/16 £10,131

Total Prize/ Parachute Funds £137,561

Player Sales Circa over 5 years £90,000

Venky's Fuds Plus BOI £105,000

Grand Total £332,561

[1arC]

Add the wage bill alone for the same 6 seasons.

Quote from rover Canada;

2010: turnover £57.8M, wages £47.4M (PL)

2011: turnover £57.6M, wages £49.9M (PL)

2012: turnover £54.2M, wages £50.0M (PL)

2013: turnover £26.4M, wages £36.6M (Championship)

2014: turnover £30.4M, wages £34.5M (Championship)

2015: turnover £22.4M, wages £26.9M (Championship)

Wages for players is one thing, but wages for Mr J Anderson, Mr B Rao, Mrs A Desai and so on, not on your Nelly. We all know something stinks and these figures need challenging.

[dallydally]

Thought this thread was about Grant Hanley? Anyway - on the basis that it is - I think an offer of £1.5M is a complete insult

Has to be worth at least £7.5M given Cairney's fee

[Leonard Venkhater]

Thought this thread was about Grant Hanley? Anyway - on the basis that it is - I think an offer of £1.5M is a complete insult

Has to be worth at least £7.5M given Cairney's fee

All about the context, which is inescapable...

[ABBEY]

Thought this thread was about Grant Hanley? Anyway - on the basis that it is - I think an offer of £1.5M is a complete insult

Has to be worth at least £7.5M given Cairney's fee

7.5? nearly choked me stella

[RoverCanada]

Wages for players is one thing, but wages for Mr J Anderson, Mr B Rao, Mrs A Desai and so on, not on your Nelly. We all know something stinks and these figures need challenging.

'Other expenses' (along with 'exceptional items' when players are bought out) can be dug out from the accounts if you have the time. They add up.

May not answer all questions, but recommended (lengthy...) reading regarding Rovers finances (or at least how they're presented in the accounts) up to 2013/14: http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/blackburn-rovers-burning-down-house.html

A few charts in there are highly recommended for anyone who hasn't grasped out ****ed teams can be once parachute payments run out. Championship clubs lose money, and it really doesn't matter that much (financially!) if we have 8,000 at Ewood or 20,000 relative to those who are getting parachute payments (which are now even higher with the new PL deal)

[Stuart]

There has been around £150 Million come into BRFC (Venky's) coffers in the last 5 years. This is mainly in the form of player Sales, premier league prize/parachute payments, advertising and gate receipts. We are over £100 Million in debt, so have we really spent over £250 Million? Do the sums, I don't honestly think we have!

This was exactly the point I made a couple of weeks ago. However you look at the wages and pay-offs, it doesn't add up.

It would seem that we (under VLL) are in debt on purpose. Tax reasons?

[McClarky]

When a club is in the state we're in other clubs will cone in with cheeky bids. Remember when Leeds went all their players left on the cheap.

[1arC]

This was exactly the point I made a couple of weeks ago. However you look at the wages and pay-offs, it doesn't add up.

It would seem that we (under VLL) are in debt on purpose. Tax reasons?

It would be interesting to find out (and I am sure it could be done under the freedom of information act), what wages are being taken by the owners and hangers on? We all know the wages of good footballers are high, but how high are the wages of bad owners/directors? Wages and agents fee for the likes of Best, Murphy, Orr, Myles, Etuhu and others, were paid, but given the value for money, we had, who really made on these? The question and answer session set up, mentioned on another thread, could perhaps lead to these questions being asked. The chances of real answers being given of course, is another matter.

[Leonard Venkhater]

This was exactly the point I made a couple of weeks ago. However you look at the wages and pay-offs, it doesn't add up.

It would seem that we (under VLL) are in debt on purpose. Tax reasons?

Deliberate..... One day it will all come out in the wash..definitely more Magdalene than Haydock!

[JAL]

There has been around £150 Million come into BRFC (Venky's) coffers in the last 5 years. This is mainly in the form of player Sales, premier league prize/parachute payments, advertising and gate receipts. We are over £100 Million in debt, so have we really spent over £250 Million? Do the sums, I don't honestly think we have!

How many footballers have come and gone loanees included in that period for a once stable club like Rovers.

Each movement would have a fee attached either in or out.

There should be a list of agents attached to each player to then begin to build the picture which no seems to be prepared to do.

[tomphil]

It would be interesting to find out (and I am sure it could be done under the freedom of information act), what wages are being taken by the owners and hangers on? We all know the wages of good footballers are high, but how high are the wages of bad owners/directors? Wages and agents fee for the likes of Best, Murphy, Orr, Myles, Etuhu and others, were paid, but given the value for money, we had, who really made on these? The question and answer session set up, mentioned on another thread, could perhaps lead to these questions being asked. The chances of real answers being given of course, is another matter.

Money has been bled out by various means for sure and I mean besides the agents fees etc. I mean nowhere in the big corporate world do you ever get directors bleeding their own LTD companies do you ?

But in the sunflower and fairy dust world of a lot of Rovers fans what you actually get is generous foreign rich people prepared to constantly pour their families wealth right down the plughole of an English football club for no apparent reason !

Yeah right !

[Athlete]

Money has been bled out by various means for sure and I mean besides the agents fees etc. I mean nowhere in the big corporate world do you ever get directors bleeding their own LTD companies do you ?

But in the sunflower and fairy dust world of a lot of Rovers fans what you actually get is generous foreign rich people prepared to constantly pour their families wealth right down the plughole of an English football club for no apparent reason !

Yeah right !

And that is what a lot of half witted Rovers fans don't seem to grasp

[Amo]

How does Lambert, Irvine & Kelly factor into this grand conspiracy?

I'm not for one second ruling out shady goings on or that we're a hotbed for agents looking to make a quick buck, but some people think Kentaro/SEM are acting as shadow owners, while others believe 'they' want the club to quietly sink into oblivion to cover up all the foul play. If that were the case, they could've left Bowyer in charge, or hired another puppet to do their bidding, instead of binning the entire backroom staff and bringing in an ambitious new management team. What was the point of that?

I don't see some master plan at work here. What I see is a series of haphazard, ill-advised decisions taken by absentee owners who defer to whichever member of their inner-circle has their ear that week.

[JAL]

How does Lambert, Irvine & Kelly factor into this grand conspiracy?

I'm not for one second ruling out shady goings on or that we're a hotbed for agents looking to make a quick buck, but some people think Kentaro/SEM are acting as shadow owners, while others believe 'they' want the club to quietly sink into oblivion to cover up all the foul play. If that were the case, they could've left Bowyer in charge, or hired another puppet to do their bidding, instead of binning the entire backroom staff and bringing in an ambitious new management team. What was the point of that?

I don't see some master plan at work here. What I see is a series of haphazard, ill-advised decisions taken by absentee owners who defer to whichever member of their inner-circle has their ear that week.

Who's the adviors ....the agents ?

[Jock]

Extra security, bodyguard for King Rat.

[McClarky]

Someone just told me Old Big Ed is off to Newcastle. Came from a mate of his apparently, according to MCMC.

[1arC]

Money has been bled out by various means for sure and I mean besides the agents fees etc. I mean nowhere in the big corporate world do you ever get directors bleeding their own LTD companies do you ?

But in the sunflower and fairy dust world of a lot of Rovers fans what you actually get is generous foreign rich people prepared to constantly pour their families wealth right down the plughole of an English football club for no apparent reason !

Yeah right !

No that just couldn't happen.

http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/fraud_protection/asset_misappropriation

And that is what a lot of half witted Rovers fans don't seem to grasp

I think he was being ironic!