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[tomphil]

That describes the whole football industry, it isn't something unique to Rovers.

It's better than agents installing coaches who've never met before I suppose. More concern to me is the complete contrast in styles of the teams turned out by these two. If they can marry it together then all well and good although they are still working largely with very average championship players.

[Bucksrover]

Lambert came in purely to win hearts and minds..........and sell Rhodes. Job done the c-unt fecked off.

Coyle will sell Hanley & Duffy ... and then feck off

2 and a half year deal seems excessive just to do that.

[oldjamfan1]

Lambert came in purely to win hearts and minds..........and sell Rhodes. Job done the c-unt fecked off.

Coyle will sell Hanley & Duffy ... and then feck off

Really?

Then explain why Gary Bowyer wasn't allowed to sell Rhodes when he wanted to (twice!)?

Lambert was not brought in expressly to sell Rhodes, that is possibly the most nonsensical of all the conspiracy theories.

And I'm not defending anybody here, owners or either of the managers, before anybody reads that into it.

[AllRoverAsia]

2 and a half year deal seems excessive just to do that.

a walk-away clause in his contract blaming us the fans..........not fact only IMO

Really?

Then explain why Gary Bowyer wasn't allowed to sell Rhodes when he wanted to (twice!)?

Lambert was not brought in expressly to sell Rhodes, that is possibly the most nonsensical of all the conspiracy theories.

And I'm not defending anybody here, owners or either of the managers, before anybody reads that into it.

Bowyer never got near the price Bling wanted.

Lambert did and was a tool IMO

[tomphil]

2 and a half year deal seems excessive just to do that.

The fact they had a clause in it and he didn't hang around for a big pay off adds weight to it. I think that was the plan In Pune all along although I doubt PL was complicit to it, he was under the impression he'd get the cash to spend and was unhappy he didn't I think that was plain to see.

These lot are con artists.

[oldjamfan1]

It's better than agents installing coaches who've never met before I suppose. More concern to me is the complete contrast in styles of the teams turned out by these two. If they can marry it together then all well and good although they are still working largely with very average championship players.

Yeah, fair points, but if you think about some of the great managerial double acts, they were often opposites (Clough/Taylor; Shankly/Paisley, even Dalglish/Harford) so as long as the sports science guy doesn't get dumped I'm not overly concerned about the contrast, because it might just work. Spot on about player quality though, which is why a motivator might be part of what we do need.

(I'm desperately trying to scrape some positives out of this dire situation....)

a walk-away clause in his contract blaming us the fans..........not fact only IMO

Bowyer never got near the price Bling wanted.

Lambert did and was a tool IMO

Nonsense. Hull.

[AllRoverAsia]

Yeah, fair points, but if you think about some of the great managerial double acts, they were often opposites (Clough/Taylor; Shankly/Paisley, even Dalglish/Harford) so as long as the sports science guy doesn't get dumped I'm not overly concerned about the contrast, because it might just work. Spot on about player quality though, which is why a motivator might be part of what we do need.

(I'm desperately trying to scrape some positives out of this dire situation....)

Nonsense. Hull.

and the terms of the Hull offer were exactly what? Vs dont do hire purchase

[47er]

Like the brexiteers, someone should ask what the club will look like after either administration - or liquidation. No one knows is the answer.

To answer Booth's question as best I can, when a business cannot carry on trading anymore, an administrator is appointed. The first task is to try to sell the business as a going concern, so the administrator runs it while simultaneously seeking expressions of interest from prospective buyers.

He/she also has to negotiate with creditors to see what they are prepared to take in lieu of full payment of what they are owed.Very often a major creditor is the Inland Revenue who notoriously play hardball.

If no agreement can be reached with creditors or no-one comes forward to buy the business then the scenario moves from administration to liquidation which is what has happened with BHS but did not with Rangers.

The administrator attempts to sell whatever can raise any money, it's a fire sale, subject, of course, to any covenants that might have been placed on any elements eg Brockhall.A stadium might be sold to developers for a variety of purposes eg housing, offices, hotel. This might be our salvation in one sense because Ewood is not attractive from those points of view (unlike Highbury!)so, in that case, we would have to hope that Ewood would be sold at a bargain price to some one who intended to continue to utilise it as a stadium.

When all that can be sold has been sold, the money is distributed among the creditors who often get a derisory payoff eg a penny in the pound. And that is the critical point for anyone wanting to start a "Phoenix Club". It starts completely debt-free, the creditors have been paid off and the new club has no legal links to the old one. The debts have disappeared, to the detriment of those owed money it has to be said.

That is why the company name must be changed because it is an entirely new entity. Eg Rangers FC!

Not an expert in this area and have done my best so if we have posters who are more familiar with this stuff----post away!

[dingles staying down 4ever]

and the terms of the Hull offer were exactly what? Vs dont do hire purchase

Odd....because Boro offered more straight cash in the summer under Bowyer than they took when Rhodes finally moved.

Lambert walked because the money wasn't there simple.

Coyle will run with no money, he'll operate on free transfers and loans, pick up his wage and when we are bottom at Christmas walk away with the added bonus of 2 and a half years salary for 6 months work. Nice work if you can get it.

[oldjamfan1]

and the terms of the Hull offer were exactly what? Vs dont do hire purchase

You are twisting the Rhodes transfer to suit a very strange conspiracy theory, when there is more than enough tangible evidence for us to focus our anger on.

Rhodes could have been sold for more money - or at the very least a similar amount - than what he eventually went for while Bowyer was here, they didn't need to go to the expense of paying GB off and hiring Lambert and his team to sell Rhodes. That is just pure fantasy I'm afraid, without a single shred of evidence to support it - quite the reverse actually!

[gumboots]

Really?

Absolutely astonishing! Unfortunately I believe we are likely relegation candidates next season so I don't expect to be able to hold you to your bold protestations.

That's why I can say it with confidence

[oldjamfan1]

To answer Booth's question as best I can, when a business cannot carry on trading anymore, an administrator is appointed. The first task is to try to sell the business as a going concern, so the administrator runs it while simultaneously seeking expressions of interest from prospective buyers.

He/she also has to negotiate with creditors to see what they are prepared to take in lieu of full payment of what they are owed.Very often a major creditor is the Inland Revenue who notoriously play hardball.

If no agreement can be reached with creditors or no-one comes forward to buy the business then the scenario moves from administration to liquidation which is what has happened with BHS but did not with Rangers.

The administrator attempts to sell whatever can raise any money, it's a fire sale, subject, of course, to any covenants that might have been placed on any elements eg Brockhall.A stadium might be sold to developers for a variety of purposes eg housing, offices, hotel. This might be our salvation in one sense because Ewood is not attractive from those points of view (unlike Highbury!)so, in that case, we would have to hope that Ewood would be sold at a bargain price to some one who intended to continue to utilise it as a stadium.

When all that can be sold has been sold, the money is distributed among the creditors who often get a derisory payoff eg a penny in the pound. And that is the critical point for anyone wanting to start a "Phoenix Club". It starts completely debt-free, the creditors have been paid off and the new club has no legal links to the old one. The debts have disappeared, to the detriment of those owed money it has to be said.

That is why the company name must be changed because it is an entirely new entity. Eg Rangers FC!

Not an expert in this area and have done my best so if we have posters who are more familiar with this stuff----post away!

Thanks 47er, but the bit I've highlighted is where I start to get confused, because I was under the impression that Rangers HAD gone from administration to liquidation, hence the name change?? Other football clubs have been in administration but not had to change their name but Rangers did have to change theirs.

[Gav]

Thanks 47er, but the bit I've highlighted is where I start to get confused, because I was under the impression that Rangers HAD gone from administration to liquidation, hence the name change?? Other football clubs have been in administration but not had to change their name but Rangers did have to change theirs.

Rangers is a new business, they went into liquidation, thats the worse case scenario as I see it, although many will say going out of business is worse, it obviously is, but we all know that will never happen. Rangers have dropped the Glasgow, kept the assets, history, Trophy cabinet etc etc and are now on their way back in a big way.

We have buyers, investors waiting in the wings, the myth that we need Venkys has been put to bed, what we need is #venkysouts and stop making excuses.

Does anyone think Coyle would be anywhere near this club if say Seneca or a Thai consortium ran the show? I just hope when this appointment goes t1ts up fans will say enough is enough, but I'm not holding my breath.

But we are where we are, I'm hoping for promotion under Coyle, but expecting relegation.

[47er]

Yes, I haven't put that well. What I was meaning was that Rangers found new owners willing to take it over lock, stock and barrel and BHS haven't.

I assumed that this occurred at the liquidation stage, hence the need for a name change. Apologies.

[perthblue02]

The wikipedia entry on Rangers troubles seems to pretty spot on (through sources) regarding what happened and the purchase of their history etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administration_and_liquidation_of_The_Rangers_Football_Club_Plc

[Bucksrover]

Lancashire telegraph saying Coyle wants to keep spurr

Poor start. Spurr has been too slow for a while now.

[oldjamfan1]

Lancashire telegraph saying Coyle wants to keep spurr

Poor start. Spurr has been too slow for a while now.

As a first choice full back I would agree that Spurr wouldn't inspire.

However, as a squad man - as long as he wasn't earning silly money I'd be happy to keep him as he can also play centre half and gives us a long throw option if we need it late in games.

I do also think he improved under Lambert for a while (then seemed to go backwards again)

[AggyBlue]

As a first choice full back I would agree that Spurr wouldn't inspire.

Spurr for spare then

[booth]

Not sure if anyone's posted this. Apologies if so.

5 minutes on Colin Murray's TalkShite show today about the appointment of Coyle. It focuses a bit too much on the Burnley connection for laughs, but some good digs on national radio about the inadequacies of Venky's. Fair play to Murray for highlighting, gone up in my estimation. Culminates in him saying the decision to appoint Coyle is "absolutely crazy".

It's the 11.30-12.00 section. 20 mins in.

http://talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1464944400#

Colin Murray "Lunacy"

Bob Mills "It's like they've gone out of their way isn't it..."

Perry Groves "It makes the Aston Villa Alex McLeish appointment look like it was made to placate and appease the Aston Villa fans."

Three none Rovers fans there who can't believe the stupidity/arrogance/inciting nature of the appointment.

"It's a river you don't cross."

"It's one of the most self destructive decisions of modern day football."

This needs saving for posterity.

Notably they say Coyle is a nice bloke, but one who is not at the peak of his career and must be pinching himself that he's got such a good gig.

[arbitro]

I emailed Cheston and got an out of office reply back. He is away until Monday so assuming it was two weeks holiday his last working day was May 20th. Does anybody have any indication when Coyle officially left Memphis?

[oldjamfan1]

I emailed Cheston and got an out of office reply back. He is away until Monday so assuming it was two weeks holiday his last working day was May 20th. Does anybody have any indication when Coyle officially left Memphis?

Sorry Tony yes, I meant to say earlier I had also got an out of office reply, but I don't expect him to respond, to be honest.

Coyle left Houston on 25th May (that is when it was announced anyway).

However, with technology etc Cheston could still have been involved in the recruitment after that date, despite being on his jollies.

[BlueMonday]

Spurr for spare then

A Spurr of the moment decision?

[Jock]

FKW is just another lying ba5tard. Wonder if he'll go down the biblical route again and deny it three times?

[Bucksrover]

A Spurr of the moment decision?

Maybe...but Coyle won't earn his Spurrs as rovers manager with signings like that

[arbitro]

Sorry Tony yes, I meant to say earlier I had also got an out of office reply, but I don't expect him to respond, to be honest.

Coyle left Houston on 25th May (that is when it was announced anyway).

However, with technology etc Cheston could still have been involved in the recruitment after that date, despite being on his jollies.

Thanks Andy. I will let you know if I get a response. I still have suspicions about the whole process given the timelines and comments from Cheston in a recent interview where he outlined the job spec. If they stuck to that Coyle would be nowhere near.