[Archived] Summer Transfer/discussion Thread

[Gav]

I think what we all forget is the coaching thats available at the club, or has been not available more to the point.

How do we expect players to improve with the inexperienced Gary Bowyer as manager and Craig Short as a coach, both men with nothing on there CV's to expect improvement of the players around them.

You could look at Gestede as a success story, but I'm not sure that was down to coaching, Cairney went backwards, Marshall backwards and a very promising Adam Henley has gone backwards more than most.

[tomphil]

Gaz and Shorty just coached standard coaching manual basic stuff I've been told that by an ex player who worked under them. Hence the unimaginative style of play and tactics but like said not really their fault as they'd not much to draw on. Gaz in particular.

Coached and managed the first team the same way as the youth set up. The loons cheapo yes man approach to the club being the major fault there. Was very frustrating to watch though.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Typical Duffy in that game, immense first half when balls flying down the pipe and last ditch tackles in a crowded box. 2nd half he's all over the place with the positional sense of a drunk wasp. Don't blame him for the last ditch tackle though as nothing else he could do there.

Like Hanley he's great in a tight defence but put balls down the side or inside of them on the deck and they can't cope, not unusual for big centre halves though.

To be fair, there was very little cover. In the 1st half, there would have been a midfielder just in front of them and that would have covered the Greizmann run. The French stepped it up in the 2nd half and the gulf in class told. Lets not forget these were players palying for Europe's top clubs against a team which the majority of the team are Championship.

[JHRover]

I think the rapid and almost impressive standard of signings made so far and the appearance given of a club that is going about its business decisively and effectively is all part of the con job. They know the best way of getting fans to warm to/accept/overlook the extremely odd and antagonistic appointment of Owen Coyle is to follow it up with a succession of interesting signings. They aren't that stupid. If we'd be sat here now with no new signings there would be all sorts of trouble, and season ticket sales would be even lower.

We've been compelled to act quickly and get people through the door. Thanks to their running of the club we've ended up with 13 outfield players at the club. No other club has been in such a position, so no other club has had the need to rapidly get bodies through the door before pre-season begins.

Lets not forget that as yet we haven't spent a penny on transfer fees. We've signed 3 free agents, one kid on loan and are apparently close to another kid on loan. This is after selling £20 million of very good quality Championship players in the last 12 months. So I'm holding back on hailing our business as brilliant or ambitious just yet.

I'm impressed with the Graham capture, but I think we've got lucky with him. He had such a good time personally in terms of scoring goals and being loved last season after the Sunderland nightmare that I think he's coming here more with his heart than his head. He knows he likes it here, knows he can do well here and knows he will be loved by the fans here, which is the opposite of everything he's had to put up with over the last 2-3 years. Had he not been here on loan last season we wouldn't have had a chance of getting him here.

The others I will reserve judgment on. Feeney was abysmal last time he was here, and I'm not convinced by reviews of his part in last season's pitiful Bolton team. Hendrie and Byrne might be good uns, we'll just have to wait and see. Stokes has clearly done the business north of the border, lets see if he can do it south.

I still fully expect someone to be sold for multi-millions whilst we continue to shop in the loan and free transfer market.

[tomphil]

I think deep down we know it's a way of how best to cover the potential departures for very little initial outlay and paper over the holes rather than a proper rebuild job. Leaving a squad just enough to at least compete instead of a Blackpool more of a Bolton ..

Some might prefer to believe it's the Rhodes money being reinvested in wages or the Vs have guaranteed more £. I think though this is probably being done after guaranteeing the bank we'll be continuing with the model of the last 12 months and flogging players over the next 3 windows when the correct bids come in.

We were fooled under Lambert and fed another false dawn so this could well go same way

[dingles staying down 4ever]

I think Cheston's only words of the summer that could be believed, is the club will be run on FFP rules. So no fees, low wages and most likely anybody on high wages out the club. It makes you wonder what deal Graham is on

[Neal]

Bunkum.

Dann spent most weeks covering from Hanleys terrible positional sense and our cr@p full backs!

He's had a couple of storming seasons at Palace, winning player of the year and is on the brink of a £15m move to Everton.

Those facts alone prove the point I made earlier, you'd not know a decent center half it was written down and explained to you.

But its history now, we digress

For Rovers he proved he bad he is, at Palace he's proved how good he is... Its that simple Gav.

His attitude stank.

[tomphil]

I think Cheston's only words of the summer that could be believed, is the club will be run on FFP rules. So no fees, low wages and most likely anybody on high wages out the club. It makes you wonder what deal Graham is on

I wonder if they can find a way around it by offering him a set amount over 2 years on a rising scale or something or maybe even a pay off at the end if he doesn't get the 3rd year. Seems odd we'd suddenly offer him the 15/20k pwk he surely still commands all of a sudden.

For Rovers he proved he bad he is, at Palace he's proved how good he is... Its that simple Gav.

His attitude stank.

Agree on the attitude although the ability was always there he just only chose to exercise it once in a while until he knew there was concrete interest in him.

Could say the same about Hanley though and the contrast in his efforts last season compared to the 1 before.

[Stuart]

The fact we are even looking at Wes Brown suggests that Hanley and/or Duffy are off. Ward and A.N.Other at the back.

Also have to wonder if we have some kind of corporate sponsorship deal in the offing with Graham & Brown. If Wes doesn't make it, the more expensive Scott is in waiting. Chris hasn't signed anywhere else yet either.

[Neal]

Wind it in will you, only one coming across as four letter swear word is you, Dann was and is a good centre half, personal and stupid slurs don't hide that, @#?.

Sorry who are you to tell me wind it in? Have we ever conversed before because i cant recall? If you disagree debate it, dont come across as mister mod and get personal else you can "wind it in"... @#/? Moron.

[Pedro]

Dann and Hanley were equally poor. Both flapped about, slippied around and had a clanger in them most games - luckily, sometimes we got away with them. Both have clearly improved.

Regardless, neither are a patch on Berg & Short, Nelsen & Samba, Hendry, Henchoz or Jones.

[chaddyrovers]

I dont agree with that cos Wes Brown is coming in for a trial that Duffy and Hanley are leaving.

Clubs will be interested of course but they pay the asking price or not.

[Pedro]

I dont agree with that cos Wes Brown is coming in for a trial that Duffy and Hanley are leaving.

Clubs will be interested of course but they pay the asking price or not.

I see him as cover for Kilgallon. If Hanley or Duffy leaves(and it would be for a good amount), we'll buy someone else.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

I dont agree with that cos Wes Brown is coming in for a trial that Duffy and Hanley are leaving.

Clubs will be interested of course but they pay the asking price or not.

Agree not leaving but allows the club to hawk them to any bidders

[the original david brent]

Wes Brown is an interesting one. He has 23 caps for England and has never played outside of the premier league.

On the other hand he only played 6 times last season, and bar a single season, has never made more than 20 odd appearances in a season.

[Gav]

I see him as cover for Kilgallon. If Hanley or Duffy leaves(and it would be for a good amount), we'll buy someone else.

You think that ant money brought in for Hanley or Duffy will go to the manager Pedro

Nothing wrong with having Brown here for training, thats a sensible approach.

[4000Holes]

Dann and Hanley were equally poor. Both flapped about, slippied around and had a clanger in them most games - luckily, sometimes we got away with them. Both have clearly improved.

Regardless, neither are a patch on Berg & Short, Nelsen & Samba, Hendry, Henchoz or Jones.

Felt a little bit sorry for Dann when he was with us. We had awful defensive cover from full backs when playing 4,4,2 which resulted in Dann being pulled out of position to cover. Just my oppinion of course.

[donnermeat]

I think he did spend a lot of time covering his team mates to his credit, but he also spent a hell of a lot of time with his feet firmly planted to the floor when crosses and corners came in.

[chaddyrovers]

I see him as cover for Kilgallon. If Hanley or Duffy leaves(and it would be for a good amount), we'll buy someone else.

agreed.

[Pedro]

You think that ant money brought in for Hanley or Duffy will go to the manager Pedro

Nothing wrong with having Brown here for training, thats a sensible approach.

Some of it will yes.

But hey, I'm just someone who goes against the grain of total doom and gloom and thought we'd be able to afford the wages for Danny Graham 😉.

Felt a little bit sorry for Dann when he was with us. We had awful defensive cover from full backs when playing 4,4,2 which resulted in Dann being pulled out of position to cover. Just my oppinion of course.

We were an awful side, with an awful manager and in an awful situation. I'm prepared to forgive him for poor form.

He looked much more assured after relegation and he deserves the credit he is getting for Palace.

[Iceman]

So its one signing a week. Keeps fans happy for a week, instead of announcing all at once. Clever stuff hey

[BigUts]

Bunkum.

Dann spent most weeks covering from Hanleys terrible positional sense and our cr@p full backs!

He's had a couple of storming seasons at Palace, winning player of the year and is on the brink of a £15m move to Everton.

Those facts alone prove the point I made earlier, you'd not know a decent center half it was written down and explained to you.

But its history now, we digress

Agreed. I also remember Bolton away.

Awful, awful game when Wheater beat him to two headers from corners in the space of about 5 minutes. Could easily have been 4 as he was beaten time and again from a succession of corners.

He's ridden the crest of a wave at Palace. Fair play, but he's plop!

[Baz]

Dann was poor at Rovers, for a number of reasons. Neither he or Hanley are the dominant aerially. His full backs where poor, and almost more importantly, our midfield didn't have a tackle in them,

Happy for him he's changed things around.

Wes Brown? Too injury prone for me, we need a bit of competition, he can't provide that from the treatment room.

[Speedie Dived]

Anything decent and cash in for Duffy. Has absolutely nothing between his ears and will always make mistakes and breaks down the majority of our attacking free kicks/corners.

[davulsukur]

Not convinced a 36 year old Wes Brown could have much to offer even us.