[Archived] Summer Transfer/discussion Thread

[T J Hooker]

Left footer as well isnt he?

[K-Hod]

Left footer as well isnt he?

Yep, he's one of the righteous!

[Lancaster Rover]

Yep, he's one of the righteous!

Do you get a blue badge for being a lefty?

[J*B]

Is there any real nasty central midfielders out there?

[K-Hod]

Do you get a blue badge for being a lefty?

Nope

[AJW]

Is there any real nasty central midfielders out there?

Frimpong

[Lancaster Rover]

Is there any real nasty central midfielders out there?

What's Michael Brown up to these days?

Frimpong

He said nasty not rubbish.

[AJW]

i honestly believe that "type" of midfielder is becoming obsolete in the modern game as we head towards a non contact sport , you just cannot rap people on the ankles any more to let them know you are about , as 2 fouls these days is a yellow card 3 fouls is a red, even the nasty ones arn't really nasty .. think about it , i would love to see what would the likes of Souness , Vinny Jones , Roy Keane et al would have done with Joey Barton

[J*B]

Lee Cattermole would be brilliant. Unfortunately he's 28 and not 31 - if he was older we would have a chance at signing him.

[Iceman]

Just because a player started off in one position it doesn't mean they can't convert to being equally as good or better in another. Gareth Bale, Phillip Lahm ring any bells.

Jason Lowe isn't good enough to be a central midfielder at this level, rather than chuck him on the scrap heap it would be economically more prudent to invest in him becoming a right back where he has shown he has the ability to do very well. Much like Brett Emerton, who had the best period of his career after being moved to right back. I would argue that Lowe's best games for Rovers have all been at right back.

As for playing out of position, the days are gone where players positions are static, barring possibly centre half, even then they can be asked to do a job at full back or holding midfield from time to time.

In that case, why do we ask to sign a LB, when maybe we can just ask Conway to fill in there? Actually, why worry about things like that, when we can just use your theory about how to patch things up. That's a patched up thing to do.

If a player cant hold down a place in his own position (Lowe), then why should another player (Henley) not be given an opportunity in another position?

Why should we take a talented player like Marshall, and move him to RB, just to say accommodate a player like Feeney or Bennett? If Bennett or Feeney wants in, then they will have to fight it out for the right to play.

In a worst case scenario, where a player has been sent off, or got injured and we have no replacements, then you can shuffle a few players to accommodate the system or re work the strategy. However, in no way should we feel pity on any player, by trying to play him out of position. Its utter madness, and pointless to sign players based on his position of strength or a position we need filling.

Is there any real nasty central midfielders out there?

Axel Witsel

[J*B]

Axel Witsel

If only we had a 50m warchest...

[Iceman]

If only we had a 50m warchest...

Once upon a time we were going to sign him. Back in Hughes days

[Lancaster Rover]

In that case, why do we ask to sign a LB, when maybe we can just ask Conway to fill in there? Actually, why worry about things like that, when we can just use your theory about how to patch things up. That's a patched up thing to do.

If a player cant hold down a place in his own position (Lowe), then why should another player (Henley) not be given an opportunity in another position?

Why should we take a talented player like Marshall, and move him to RB, just to say accommodate a player like Feeney or Bennett? If Bennett or Feeney wants in, then they will have to fight it out for the right to play.

In a worst case scenario, where a player has been sent off, or got injured and we have no replacements, then you can shuffle a few players to accommodate the system or re work the strategy. However, in no way should we feel pity on any player, by trying to play him out of position. Its utter madness, and pointless to sign players based on his position of strength or a position we need filling.

Axel Witsel

You've kind of missed my point there and run away with yourself.

Lowe is good at right back. He could develop into a really good right back. He wont develop into a good midfielder. Lowe could potentially be as good as any right back we would be able to afford in this league. I'd love for Rovers to buy a specialist right back like Cyrus Christie but that's cloud cuckoo land talk.

Conway isn't a good left back nor will he ever be, christ I'm not even sure he's a good left winger.

Henley has shown no signs of being good anywhere on the pitch, let alone right back. If he has then I have no problems giving him a go somewhere else. Comparing Henley and Lowe is nonsensical, Lowe has shown he is good at right back and could comfortably move position. Henley as far as I am aware hasn't shown anything, anywhere.

Marshall was performing poorly in the 10 role and on the wing. He offered to fill in at right back, turned out he was quite good, he asked to continue to play there whilst we were short. I see no problem. You've kind of revised history there, Marshall was playing at RB well before the arrival of Bennett and certainly Feeney. Hell, Feeney hasn't even kicked a ball in anger yet this spell.

Being so rigid as to say players can't potentially move position seems an odd way of looking at the game. Chris Sutton was as good at centre half as he was at centre forward at Norwich.

I don't think you can say our recruitment policy is built around playing payers in the wrong position. Taking a long term view and moving a player to a position you think better suits them is totally different. Many players get pigeonholed in a position in youth football that doesn't necessarily suit them as their career develops, again I refer to Gareth Bale.

[Ricky]

Once upon a time we were going to sign him. Back in Hughes days

Kean days not Hughes days

[Mike E]

You've kind of missed my point there and run away with yourself.

Lowe is good at right back. He could develop into a really good right back. He wont develop into a good midfielder. Lowe could potentially be as good as any right back we would be able to afford in this league. I'd love for Rovers to buy a specialist right back like Cyrus Christie but that's cloud cuckoo land talk.

Conway isn't a good left back nor will he ever be, christ I'm not even sure he's a good left winger.

Henley has shown no signs of being good anywhere on the pitch, let alone right back. If he has then I have no problems giving him a go somewhere else. Comparing Henley and Lowe is nonsensical, Lowe has shown he is good at right back and could comfortably move position. Henley as far as I am aware hasn't shown anything, anywhere.

Marshall was performing poorly in the 10 role and on the wing. He offered to fill in at right back, turned out he was quite good, he asked to continue to play there whilst we were short. I see no problem. You've kind of revised history there, Marshall was playing at RB well before the arrival of Bennett and certainly Feeney. Hell, Feeney hasn't even kicked a ball in anger yet this spell.

Being so rigid as to say players can't potentially move position seems an odd way of looking at the game. Chris Sutton was as good at centre half as he was at centre forward at Norwich.

I don't think you can say our recruitment policy is built around playing payers in the wrong position. Taking a long term view and moving a player to a position you think better suits them is totally different. Many players get pigeonholed in a position in youth football that doesn't necessarily suit them as their career develops, again I refer to Gareth Bale.

Henley was actually very good at LB vs Liverpool and Man Utd under Kean (plus is usually listed as competent at lb on Football Manager). Perhaps there could be something there?

[Iceman]

Kean days not Hughes days

Well that explains it lol

[Salgado Is Still A Hero]

Henley was actually very good at LB vs Liverpool and Man Utd under Kean (plus is usually listed as competent at lb on Football Manager). Perhaps there could be something there?

It's just different with young players. They can drastically lose form to the point of being completely unrecognisable. Look at what happened to Jake Kean. If you think they are worth perservering with then you send them on loan down the leagues to cut their teeth.

[Give 'Em the Axe]

That's right! Remember it was gonna be Witsel, Papisse Cisse, Piatti...! Mad times...

[tomphil]

It's just different with young players. They can drastically lose form to the point of being completely unrecognisable. Look at what happened to Jake Kean. If you think they are worth perservering with then you send them on loan down the leagues to cut their teeth.

Which is exactly what Henley needed to toughen him up and make him realise how fortunate he was to have the contract he had at Rovers instead of thinking he was big time.

Still needs a season being buffeted about week in week out in league one if you ask me. Give him the chance to show the discipline and rebuild himself then come back and fight for his place.

[AJW]

i think both Henley and Raya , should go out on loan to league 2 teams , it will certainly toughen them up , it will give them the games they need , and IF they excel in that company it will bring on the confidence levels

[Stuart]

Spurr on a pay as you play 1 year deal wouldn't be the worst - a 3 year deal never in a million years

A team that outperformed Rovers last season disagrees. Presumably they got a deal on wages.

It's a funny old game.

[Tom]

A team that outperformed Rovers last season disagrees. Presumably they got a deal on wages.

It's a funny old game.

The chances are the majority would be up in arms if we signed him for 3 years especially when you consider he's missed a full season through injury recently.

A bit disingenuous for me to presume they got a deal on wages to make it seem worse from our point of view; we have enough solid stuff to beat our club up with.

[Stuart]

The chances are the majority would be up in arms if we signed him for 3 years especially when you consider he's missed a full season through injury recently.

A bit disingenuous for me to presume they got a deal on wages to make it seem worse from our point of view; we have enough solid stuff to beat our club up with.

Strange one then Tom: comparable wages to what Rovers were offering but for a year longer than Rovers were offering?

Are they such a bad judge of players compared to Coyle? Do they have deeper pockets? Bigger gamblers?

As things stand Preston are a superior team to Rovers and we are playing catch up.

Clearly I have no idea about players given that I would have kept Taylor and Spurr from last season's departures. Coyle was the only player offered a new deal and Coyle prefers Feeney to Taylor. I wouldn't mind so much if Rovers managers lived and died by their decisions on this kind of thing but he'll be able to laugh it off and carry on even if he gets it wrong.

[Tom]

We all have massively different views on players I wouldn't pay Taylor any wage but I would have offered a new deal to Simeon Jackson, a player most people don't rate at all and would look to sign Tony Watt if it was affordable.

Spurr I would have kept around on a pay as you play or cheap one year deal, similar with Killgallon.

[Stuart]

I think we may regret letting Kilgallon go.