[Archived] Summer Transfer/discussion Thread

[T J Hooker]

  On 28/06/2016 at 14:32, J*B said:

Lee Cattermole would be brilliant. Unfortunately he's 28 and not 31 - if he was older we would have a chance at signing him.

According to the bits and bobs ive read about him Byrne as well as being technically very good is also supposed to be a bit of a nasty terrier in the scholes mould.(but we've heard stuff like that before)

  On 28/06/2016 at 19:12, Tom said:

We all have massively different views on players I wouldn't pay Taylor any wage but I would have offered a new deal to Simeon Jackson, a player most people don't rate at all and would look to sign Tony Watt if it was affordable.

Spurr I would have kept around on a pay as you play or cheap one year deal, similar with Killgallon.

I only saw jackson a couple of times as a sub, but he definitely seemed a decent player to have in the squad

[dallydally]

  On 28/06/2016 at 19:51, T J Hooker said:

According to the bits and bobs ive read about him Byrne as well as being technically very good is also supposed to be a bit of a nasty terrier in the scholes mould.(but we've heard stuff like that before)

I only saw jackson a couple of times as a sub, but he definitely seemed a decent player to have in the squad

Jackson? All heat and no light

[davulsukur]

Seems to have died down a bit with regards to transfer rumours.

[dallydally]

  On 28/06/2016 at 20:27, davulsukur said:

Seems to have died down a bit with regards to transfer rumours.

Just thinking the same thing!

We are nowhere near the size or quality of squad we need; let's hope there are other irons in the fire

[TBTF]

  On 28/06/2016 at 19:51, T J Hooker said:

According to the bits and bobs ive read about him Byrne as well as being technically very good is also supposed to be a bit of a nasty terrier in the scholes mould.(but we've heard stuff like that before)

I only saw jackson a couple of times as a sub, but he definitely seemed a decent player to have in the squad

do me a favour! you would be the first to complain that we had zero goal threat. If that's where we are then it really is time to give up.

I would rather Coyle tries to freshen things up and energise things a bit than go with players we all know aint up to it. Jackson and Kilgallon would still command pretty decent wages I suggest and one has minimal goal threat and the other looked like his legs had gone last year. Same with Taylor, -simply not good enough.

I would much rather we spend what we have on some pace and freshness than rock up again this season to see the same old faces again. Thank god we had so many out of contract is my view

[chaddyrovers]

  On 28/06/2016 at 20:27, davulsukur said:

Seems to have died down a bit with regards to transfer rumours.

Probably talking to clubs at this stage but waiting to hear back..

Still around 5 signings to go yet IMO.

IMO, we dont need a right back if we are going Marshall, Henley and Lowe there.

Need 2 striker, left back, attacking mid, 4th centre back(tho that might be Brown tho)

[T J Hooker]

  On 28/06/2016 at 20:33, dallydally said:

Just thinking the same thing!

We are nowhere near the size or quality of squad we need; let's hope there are other irons in the fire

After the last 5 years of mostly dross signings I'm more than happy to go for quality over quantity, Byrne should be announced sooner or later, wes browns knockng around, looking good to me tbh, so far i think its been the best transfer winsow we've had since we got relegated.

Also from watching the video of the players in training hanley and Marshall really didn't look like two players that are expecting to be leaving anytime soon.

Id love us to sign a bloody beast of a goaly though, Steele is just back up goaly material and rayas not ready.

[savage90]

We should be busier than we are. Marshall and Lowe are midfielders and Lowe is one who has very little impact. Settling for makeshift players in any position costs you at this level too.

We need additions all over, including a new #1 goalkeeper.

[T J Hooker]

I disagree, i think you're being impatient and unrealistic, its not like we have serious(or maybe any) money to spend, the pool of players we're fishing in is pretty shallow and taking that into acount should think ourselves lucky with the quality of players that we've so far managed to bring in.

I can see us bringing in maybe another 3-5 players one way or another before the window shuts.

[Stuart]

  On 28/06/2016 at 21:24, savage90 said:

We should be busier than we are. Marshall and Lowe are midfielders and Lowe is one who has very little impact. Settling for makeshift players in any position costs you at this level too.

We need additions all over, including a new #1 goalkeeper.

We need an entire new squad and Lambert knew it. Bowyer spent the last of the parachute money and the cupboard is now bare.

Coyle is picking up where Bowyer left off picking up freebies and loans. Presumably they thought Lambert would put up with their @#/?, but he actually had some integrity and professional pride and valued that more than the Venkys coin.

If Coyle can build a promotion challenging team with no money then he will have earned any respect he gets.

[T J Hooker]

I, saint lambert.

You dont really know what went and neither do i, but i think if he had anything about him he'd have just got his head down and made the best of what he had until a better job opportunity came his way, but he just doesn't seem to have the bottle for a real challenge, clubs hardly seem to be eager to appoint him especially now that hes been a failure in his past two jobs.

[patrickvalery]

I think we need to be wary of pinning too much hope on Byrne. He's just a kid and take him out of the picture and we're still left with a dour midfield. No guarantees with him no matter how good he may eventually be. For that reason I'd like to see us looking at extra options. Possibly and probably over a keeper. Although that's a tough call.

[Stuart]

  On 28/06/2016 at 21:40, T J Hooker said:

I, saint lambert.

You dont really know what went and neither do i, but i think if he had anything about him he'd have just got his head down and made the best of what he had until a better job opportunity came his way, but he just doesn't seem to have the bottle for a real challenge, clubs hardly seem to be eager to appoint him especially now that hes been a failure in his past two jobs.

Is this a spoof account?

The alternative is to ignore the facts and blindly believe that Venkys are doing their best for this club.

[T J Hooker]

Yes its a spoof account so just ignore it and go to bed.

[K-Hod]

  On 28/06/2016 at 21:40, T J Hooker said:

I, saint lambert.

You dont really know what went and neither do i, but i think if he had anything about him he'd have just got his head down and made the best of what he had until a better job opportunity came his way, but he just doesn't seem to have the bottle for a real challenge, clubs hardly seem to be eager to appoint him especially now that hes been a failure in his past two jobs.

Are you just playing devil's advocate now?

[Iceman]

  On 28/06/2016 at 21:24, savage90 said:

We should be busier than we are. Marshall and Lowe are midfielders and Lowe is one who has very little impact. Settling for makeshift players in any position costs you at this level too.

We need additions all over, including a new #1 goalkeeper.

as i said as well re makeshift players. Spot on

[T J Hooker]

Not intentionally, im just not so blinded by misery and bitterness as others that i cant think for myself instead of just following the sheep that believe everything brfc is insidious and doomed to failure.(you asked)

[Mike E]

  On 29/06/2016 at 07:15, Iceman said:

as i said as well re makeshift players. Spot on

Colin Hendry was a striker. Bentley was a central midfielder. Steven Reid was a left midfielder.

Elsewhere, Kenny Burns was a striker. Bale was a left back. Ivanovic was a centre back. Hargreaves was a winger. MascheraNo was a midfielder.

Players can always adapt to new positions. As it is, Marshall has actually played very well at right back and I reckon it's his best position!

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

  On 29/06/2016 at 07:51, Mike E said:

Colin Hendry was a striker. Bentley was a central midfielder. Steven Reid was a left midfielder.

Elsewhere, Kenny Burns was a striker. Bale was a left back. Ivanovic was a centre back. Hargreaves was a winger. MascheraNo was a midfielder.

Players can always adapt to new positions. As it is, Marshall has actually played very well at right back and I reckon it's his best position!

Without a shadow of a doubt Marshall has played his best and most consistent football from right back. Of all the players we could sell, I am amazed that he is only mentioned with the likes of Sheff Weds etc - IMO Premiership clubs are daft not to consider buying him.

[Lancaster Rover]

I am really struggling with Iceman's idea of playing people in different positions being a bad thing when they are clearly better suited to those positions. There is a big difference to being a makeshift move and a reasoned out change of position that is coached. In this country especially the coaching set up allocates players positions at a very early age and in most cases they stick, how many lads are the same at 17 as they were at 10, it's ridiculous. The dutch have the right idea, everyone starts as a defender and works on a defensive base and if they show attacking prowess they are moved further forward, etc.

Nobody is for one minute saying we should recycle the current squad into different positions, what we are saying is that if someone we already have at our disposal shows an aptitude in another position where they perform better than their current position and/or is likely to be better in that position than any replacement we could realistically bring in then surely that's a good use of our resources?

Nobody is advocating shuffling players for the sake of it but Lowe is wasted in midfield as he isn't up to the required standard, he is as good as if not better than anyone we could realistically bring in. I'd love to have been bringing in a specialist right back like Christie or Sam Byram but that just isn't going to happen.

With regards Marshall, he has had his best games at right back by a long way.

[T J Hooker]

  On 29/06/2016 at 07:51, Mike E said:

Colin Hendry was a striker. Bentley was a central midfielder. Steven Reid was a left midfielder.

Elsewhere, Kenny Burns was a striker. Bale was a left back. Ivanovic was a centre back. Hargreaves was a winger. MascheraNo was a midfielder.

Players can always adapt to new positions. As it is, Marshall has actually played very well at right back and I reckon it's his best position!

Chris brown was a striker

[Lancaster Rover]

He'd have made a better centre half

[BlooBoy]

I think people starting to get carried away with this playing players in different positions malarky.

Yes there has been some players who have adapted to different positions in their careers ..usually very good footballers.

Im all for players filling in in emergencies but id prefer players playing in their positions they re used to.

Remember Bowyer ? shoe horning players into his teams ,players out of position all over the place ? I remember it didnt go down too well with a lot of fans ..

[Lancaster Rover]

I agree this discussion has escalated and getting taking out of context.

Nobody as far as I can see is advocating moving players for the sake of it, however in the case of Jason Lowe he is a better full back than a midfielder and could play there comfortably for us, I honestly believe he could be one of the better full backs in the league in time.

[FGS5635]

Marshall and Lowe would be even better at wing back. Our strength is centre back we 3 good ones and maybe a 4th with brown. We have centre mids that struggle in a 4 man midfield and on paper we have a decent strike pairing.

Its crying out for wing backs and 3 at the back