[Archived] Summer Transfer/discussion Thread

[Iceman]

I am really struggling with Iceman's idea of playing people in different positions being a bad thing when they are clearly better suited to those positions. There is a big difference to being a makeshift move and a reasoned out change of position that is coached. In this country especially the coaching set up allocates players positions at a very early age and in most cases they stick, how many lads are the same at 17 as they were at 10, it's ridiculous. The dutch have the right idea, everyone starts as a defender and works on a defensive base and if they show attacking prowess they are moved further forward, etc.

Nobody is for one minute saying we should recycle the current squad into different positions, what we are saying is that if someone we already have at our disposal shows an aptitude in another position where they perform better than their current position and/or is likely to be better in that position than any replacement we could realistically bring in then surely that's a good use of our resources?

Nobody is advocating shuffling players for the sake of it but Lowe is wasted in midfield as he isn't up to the required standard, he is as good as if not better than anyone we could realistically bring in. I'd love to have been bringing in a specialist right back like Christie or Sam Byram but that just isn't going to happen.

With regards Marshall, he has had his best games at right back by a long way.

again pal, then why are we so bothered with trying to sign players in their specialist position? Why not just take a current player, and see how he does at Left Back. If he does well, keep him there and we save money. We brought in Hendrie at Left Back, but now looking for a replacement for Spurr. But why not move Henley there, seeing as he did well against Man United.

You are trying to make space for Lowe, because he is rubbish as midfielder (supposedly his preferred position), to try and move him to RB to accommodate him. Marshall should be further up the pitch imo, not be at RB, when he could be influencing the game in a more attacking role.

And as i said, i dont have an issue if during a game, circumstances change either an injury or red card, and we have to shuffle the deck a bit to move players around. But when we start a game, let the players play in their proper position.

[Ribble Rover]

. But why not move Henley there, seeing as he did well against Man United.

Henley doesn't half live off a half decent single performance about 4 years ago......since that one game he's struggled against poor teams in lower divisions and in my opinion is a league 2/conference player....Should have been got shut of years ago.

[tomphil]

Lowe has been more noticeable as a right back because he was often so poor in midfield. His headless chicken routine is curbed at right back but please come on he isn't a good one at all. Maybe he could be better at it if it's made his first position and he's training in it everyday but at the moment his place is on the bench as a utility man.

Henley in his odd bits of form has been the best option at right back after Marshall but he's just so inconsistent. Farm him out on loan or let him go and bring in a proper right back. Build from the back and do it properly or we'll just be going down the Bowyer route again. More unbalance of the starting 11 and more frustration to watch.

[47er]

Henley doesn't half live off a half decent single performance about 4 years ago......Should have been got shut of years ago.

Sounds like Kean!

[Iceman]

Henley doesn't half live off a half decent single performance about 4 years ago......since that one game he's struggled against poor teams in lower divisions and in my opinion is a league 2/conference player....Should have been got shut of years ago.

i was purely making an example on Henley, seeing as he filled in at Left Back and did well, but never got much of a chance there again. In fact, he was moved back to his specialist RB position, and then stuggled and never got a chance again. So why do we keep on with Lowe at RB, yet he cant hold down a position in midfield, supposedly his preferred position. This love in for Lowe needs to stop, he aint a good player, and we are trying to make space for him at all costs it seems

[ABBEY]

Not intentionally, im just not so blinded by misery and bitterness as others that i cant think for myself instead of just following the sheep that believe everything brfc is insidious and doomed to failure.(you asked)

F sake it's only a few weeks ago now that you wanted them gone and never went . Now you dress up as the old hag and lick her cheese infested toe nails!

#venkysout

[Ribble Rover]

i was purely making an example on Henley, seeing as he filled in at Left Back and did well, but never got much of a chance there again. In fact, he was moved back to his specialist RB position, and then stuggled and never got a chance again. So why do we keep on with Lowe at RB, yet he cant hold down a position in midfield, supposedly his preferred position. This love in for Lowe needs to stop, he aint a good player, and we are trying to make space for him at all costs it seems

He's had more chances than the average youth player/new pro....The day I saw him outplayed and bullied by Nathan Delfonso at Bloomfield Park 2 or 3 seasons ago was the day that his rovers future was over. He's had umpteen chances since then and always looks like he's missing something. Lower league player at best.(oops, hold on)

[Iceman]

He's had more chances than the average youth player/new pro....The day I saw him outplayed and bullied by Nathan Delfonso at Bloomfield Park 2 or 3 seasons ago was the day that his rovers future was over. He's had umpteen chances since then and always looks like he's missing something. Lower league player at best.(oops, hold on)

Are you referring to Lowe or Henley here Ribble? Lol

[T J Hooker]

Why do you only see things in extremes abby, real drama queen mentality.

[tomphil]

Are you referring to Lowe or Henley here Ribble? Lol

Definitely applies to both but we are set to go around in circles with Lowe again now for about the fourth time. What's the betting Coyley sees him as his no 1 midfielder

[Commondore]

Colin Hendry was a striker. Bentley was a central midfielder. Steven Reid was a left midfielder.

Elsewhere, Kenny Burns was a striker. Bale was a left back. Ivanovic was a centre back. Hargreaves was a winger. MascheraNo was a midfielder.

Players can always adapt to new positions. As it is, Marshall has actually played very well at right back and I reckon it's his best position!

It very well might be, but with our current squad he's still wasted there. Marshall is our second most likely player to get a goal or an assist; he needs to play closer to the opposition's goal.

[FGS5635]

Although Marshall is clearly better at right back, we do lack creativity in forward positions. With this in mind and our clear lack of funds, it easier and cheaper to find a new right back than a new good creative attacking player.

So sign a new right back and get Marshall forward

[Neal]

I think players can learn new positions, Kimmich has turned into a right back for Germany in Euro 2016, Schweinsteiger became a centre mid from being a winger... The right sort of players can be adaptable but there's a lot of variables for it to work... How intelegent and open to learning they are, what sort of position the club are to afford them to learn in the first team etc...

[J*B]

Heard Marshall has rejected talks on a new contract. Must make sense to sell him now rather than let him go for free in 12 months.

[savage90]

Elite players have adapted in the past through natural ability, yes. That is not our situation.

If you want to finish 14th and give leads away, play Ben Marshall or Jason Lowe at right back and spend the season trying to make your mind up on Adam Henley. Alternatively get shopping.

If this is the best we can do, it is a further disservice from our seemingly penniless owners.

VENKY'S OUT!

[oldjamfan1]

Colin Hendry was a striker. Bentley was a central midfielder. Steven Reid was a left midfielder.

Elsewhere, Kenny Burns was a striker. Bale was a left back. Ivanovic was a centre back. Hargreaves was a winger. MascheraNo was a midfielder.

Players can always adapt to new positions. As it is, Marshall has actually played very well at right back and I reckon it's his best position!

Some good examples there. Another one was Liverpool's Ray Kennedy. How anyone had the foresight to see that he would be such a gifted midfield player after his Arsenal appearances as a burly centre forward is beyond me.

[The Rover of Finland]

Wayne Rooney became an awful striker. No he is awful centre midfielder. Jose must be wondering how to get rid of.

[DanielMB]

5 minute warning

[perthblue02]

Jack Byrne announced

https://twitter.com/Rovers/status/748116403618746368

[BlooBoy]

Jack Byrne ..well i never ..

[The Rover of Finland]

Now all the rumours are confirmed. Next is Hanley out I guess.

[davulsukur]

Jack Byrne announced

https://twitter.com/Rovers/status/748116403618746368

At least we are signing loan players from Premier League clubs these days.

[savage90]

Keep them coming!

[47er]

Nearer home,Fred Pickering was a full-back and Newton was a centre-half (as we called them then).Duggie was a winger and McEvoy was a mid-fielder. And that's in one team! Think Mike England started as a wing-half as well.

[G Somerset Rover]

City fans seem to rave about him so quietly confident about this lad. That being said, the Championship is completely different to any league he's played in before, so it will be interesting to see how he does.

As Davul says, at least we're taking advantage of the top clubs' youth talent for a change.