[Archived] Summer Transfer/discussion Thread

[JHRover]

Dont we have 3 centre backs already in Hanley, Duffy and Ward. Plus Lenihan can play there plus maybe Coyle will bring through Scott Wharton.

On signings I think we need between 8 to 10 players. 1 right back, 2 left backs, 3/4 strikers, goalscoring midfielder, 3rd choice keeper and maybe 4th centre back if We need one

I believe in having at least two established players for every position, especially in the Championship where injuries, even short term, can easily take someone out of action for 3-4 games. Going into the season with 3 recognised CBs would be a huge gamble, with Ward getting on age wise and Duffy/Hanley racking up the yellow cards. So I think we need another now Kilgallon has gone.

We need 4 forwards, or at the very least 3 strikers and a number 10 option. Assuming Marshall and Lowe remain then we can probably get away without signing a RB, though would need another midfielder if we're using Marshall there every week.

2 LBs

1 CB

1 LM

2 CMs

4 Forwards

1 GK

At the very least. That's IF Coyle is planning on playing Lowe/Marshall at RB and not further up.

[Commondore]

Graham and Stokes would be a good start. Another 2 forwards would then be needed to make us competitive in that department over a full season.

Then we'd need midfielders to replace Williamson, Taylor, Grimes and Gomes from last season. At this stage only Lenighan, Evans and Conway could really 'do a job' for us in this area. So that's at least 4 more needed there.

Then in defence, assuming Marshall, Hanley and Duffy don't leave (unlikely they'll all stay) then we still need 2 left backs, a back up right back (if Lowe is playing there or if Marshall goes), and at least one back up CB after Kilgallon's departure.

Then probably also a 3rd keeper after Eastwood's departure.

So by my reckoning, even IF Graham and Stokes come in, we'd be needing another possibly 11 signings before the start of next season to have a squad with cover in all areas that could compete over 46 games.

I've got to say I'm surprised Kilgallon isn't being kept on. I doubt we'll do better than him as a 3rd CB.

Why should we pay first team wages and possibly even transfer fees for new players who are only expected to replace bit-players like Williamson (10 league games last season, 8 of them as a sub), Taylor (12/6) or Eastwood (0/0)? I've been going on about this before, but the only sustainable way forward for clubs in our position is to exclusively sign players who are expected to go straight into the first team, or at least the 18 men match day squad, and do a job there. The rest of the team should be filled up with youngsters.

[JHRover]

Why should we pay first team wages and possibly even transfer fees for new players who are only expected to replace bit-players like Williamson (10 league games last season, 8 of them as a sub), Taylor (12/6) or Eastwood (0/0)? I've been going on about this before, but the only sustainable way forward for clubs in our position is to exclusively sign players who are expected to go straight into the first team, or at least the 18 men match day squad, and do a job there. The rest of the team should be filled up with youngsters.

We need back up and cover for every position. The longer we leave it the less well prepared we will be for next season. Not signing them to save on wages is a Blackpool style tactic and we'll go the same way as them - going into a season with no squad and getting relegated. Concentrate merely on the first 11 and we'll hit major problems after about 4 games as soon as injuries and bans start to rack up.

Going with youngsters isn't a plan that has worked for anyone in this league recently. We need tried and tested pros who know the league. The time for youngsters is when there's nothing to play for and 2-3 can be transitioned into the team steadily. Not relied upon over a whole season to fill the squad up.

[JAL]

Lets see Gally, Derbyshire, Pilks at Ewood,.... and fire off that third, fourth, ten rate Owen Coyle.

We want our Rovers back !

[DE.]

Anyone remember Radoslav Petrovic? Just left Dynamo Kiev to join Sporting Lisbon.

I felt sorry for him. Thrust into the PL a few years too early, looked like a rabbit in the headlights quite often. Obviously didn't help that Kean was in charge - even our best players played like crap under him, let alone developing ones.

Unlike most who were brought in under the watch of he-who-shall-not-be-named, Petrovic was no chancer. A talented player in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm sure he'll do well for Sporting.

[Neal]

Petrovic played the pass of the season whilst he was here. Anyone who didn't perform under Kean can be misjudged.

[Amo]

I remember Petrovic playing a world-class pass over the top for Olsson.

Think he was a tidy player, but joined us at the wrong time.

[chaddyrovers]

I believe in having at least two established players for every position, especially in the Championship where injuries, even short term, can easily take someone out of action for 3-4 games. Going into the season with 3 recognised CBs would be a huge gamble, with Ward getting on age wise and Duffy/Hanley racking up the yellow cards. So I think we need another now Kilgallon has gone.

We need 4 forwards, or at the very least 3 strikers and a number 10 option. Assuming Marshall and Lowe remain then we can probably get away without signing a RB, though would need another midfielder if we're using Marshall there every week.

2 LBs

1 CB

1 LM

2 CMs

4 Forwards

1 GK

At the very least. That's IF Coyle is planning on playing Lowe/Marshall at RB and not further up.

I would use Lowe at right back. But move Marshall further forward. So I would like another in. We have 4 wingers plus Mahoney who I would like to see play more personally.

We need to add centre midfield as IMO we have 2 good centre midfielders in Evans and Lenihan.

Apkan needs to go. Ok player but we need better.

Guthrie is goodish but far too injured prone for me. Time to leave.

I would like to see a midfield playmaker and hard tackling midfielder in.

On strikers, we need a target man type, pacey type, skillful type and number 10 type.

I would like to see Mahoney, Tomlinson and Wharton part of the 1st team squad this coming season

[JAL]

I felt sorry for him. Thrust into the PL a few years too early, looked like a rabbit in the headlights quite often. Obviously didn't help that Kean was in charge - even our best players played like crap under him, let alone developing ones.

Unlike most who were brought in under the watch of he-who-shall-not-be-named, Petrovic was no chancer. A talented player in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm sure he'll do well for Sporting.

Petrovic had the hallmarks of one of the scousers players..... a big lumbering, overrated, overpaid donkey... like Goulon, Kiota etc.,

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I presume Feeney and Graham are the two players we have wrapped up.

If so, Graham is an excellent signing and Feeney is an ok signing.

I would say Feeney would have ok as a squad player - if we didn't already have plenty of wingers (most of who I rater higher than Feeney)

[DE.]

Petrovic had the hallmarks of one of the scousers players..... a big lumbering, overrated, overpaid donkey... like Goulon, Kiota etc.,

Can't think of any less appropriate comparisons tbh.

[patrickvalery]

Why should we pay first team wages and possibly even transfer fees for new players who are only expected to replace bit-players like Williamson (10 league games last season, 8 of them as a sub), Taylor (12/6) or Eastwood (0/0)? I've been going on about this before, but the only sustainable way forward for clubs in our position is to exclusively sign players who are expected to go straight into the first team, or at least the 18 men match day squad, and do a job there. The rest of the team should be filled up with youngsters.

Well we don't have to necessarily. There are good ones about who can be brought for little money. But the key is finding them. And what's more is every club is trying to do the same thing.

What's important and what makes a good side, is having competition for places. I don't care how much they cost. But what's essential is whoever has the shirt knows if they don't perform then someone is waiting to take their place. It doesn't matter if you're 16 or 36. You should know your place isn't a given. It's good to have players like Lowe and Marshall who can cover different positions. But ideally that should be a last resort.

[ABBEY]

I presume Feeney and Graham are the two players we have wrapped up.

If so, Graham is an excellent signing and Feeney is an ok signing.

FEENY OK SIGNING? WOW WE REALLY HAVE A VENKY LOW.

[DE.]

Feeney is an OK signing if we expect to play in League One next season. Otherwise very far from what is needed.

[PeteJD13]

Stokes would at least give us options he mainly played on the left for sellick

[Commondore]

Things are of course also depending on what system Coyle wants to use. No need for four out-and-out strikers if he only plans on starting one, four central midfielders isn't enough if he plans on starting three, etc.

[dallydally]

Dont we have 3 centre backs already in Hanley, Duffy and Ward. Plus Lenihan can play there plus maybe Coyle will bring through Scott Wharton.

On signings I think we need between 8 to 10 players. 1 right back, 2 left backs, 3/4 strikers, goalscoring midfielder, 3rd choice keeper and maybe 4th centre back if We need one

Our wish list and reality are going have a chasm between them! Where do you think the money is coming from for 8 to 10 players?

Whilst I don't disagree with your "list" of requirements if we get such a number goodness knows what the quality will be like

[rovers11]

FEENY OK SIGNING? WOW WE REALLY HAVE A VENKY LOW.

In the context of where we are as a club right now, it is an ok signing.

Do I like where we are as a club right now? Of course not. But that's a bigger issue.

[Mercer]

Dont we have 3 centre backs already in Hanley, Duffy and Ward. Plus Lenihan can play there plus maybe Coyle will bring through Scott Wharton.

On signings I think we need between 8 to 10 players. 1 right back, 2 left backs, 3/4 strikers, goalscoring midfielder, 3rd choice keeper and maybe 4th centre back if We need one

IMV, there will be no more than 6 new players, assuming no sales.

However, I think there will be at least 2 departures.

I think Coyle will already be tearing his hair out - I very much doubt getting anyone in is going to prove easy. Coyle has been in situ for 10 days now and reports suggest he's working close to 24/7 yet we haven't announced a single signing. I think it's ominous and actions, or inactions, speak far louder than words.

[dallydally]

IMV, there will be no more than 6 new players, assuming no sales.

However, I think there will be at least 2 departures.

I think Coyle will already be tearing his hair out - I very much doubt getting anyone in is going to prove easy. Coyle has been in situ for 10 days now and reports suggest he's working close to 24/7 yet we haven't announced a single signing. I think it's ominous and actions, or inactions, speak far louder than words.

A bald Owen - not a pretty sight. Its bad enough with hair!

[McClarky]

Anthony Stokes domestic record in Scottish Football

Starts - 214

Sub Apps - 39

Goals - 124

Assists - 73

First goal - 49

Pen Goal - 6

#SPFL

Stokes had a brilliant run at Falkirk way back then went to England and did very little over 2-3 years. Did well at Hibs but never fully established himself at Shelec. I saw him just after he moved back to Hibs in Jan and he looked overweight and slow but he was superb in their cup final win. Good goal scorer but a bit lazy, I might even describe him as poor man's Jordan Rhodes.

[perthblue02]

IMV, there will be no more than 6 new players, assuming no sales.

However, I think there will be at least 2 departures.

I think Coyle will already be tearing his hair out - I very much doubt getting anyone in is going to prove easy. Coyle has been in situ for 10 days now and reports suggest he's working close to 24/7 yet we haven't announced a single signing. I think it's ominous and actions, or inactions, speak far louder than words.

Probably keeps forgetting who he has spoke to, it's a bugger that amnesia

Mr Coyle with have got the (inset random name) agency for you on the phone following up on yesterdays conversation

( random name) agency ? never heard of them don't know who they are

[Hasta]

In the context of where we are as a club right now, it is an ok signing.

Do I like where we are as a club right now? Of course not. But that's a bigger issue.

But it's not even an ok signing at this moment in time. That's how bad a signing it would be.

We've seen first hand how much of a non event he was at Ewood.

He's then hardly stood out over 2 seasons in a team that has regressed quicker than us and finished marooned bottom last year.

He won't be coming for nothing and it takes a very, very limited scouting network and an unimaginitive manager to think there aren't better options available in the lower leagues.

He was loaned to us and then Bolton whilst at Millwall !! They gladly released him at the end of that season when they only just avoided relegation.

To quote Mr Mourinho, this lad is a specialist in failure.

[Pedro]

Anyone remember Radoslav Petrovic? Just left Dynamo Kiev to join Sporting Lisbon.

Like Kalanic, very good potential but we failed him.

[ABBEY]

In the context of where we are as a club right now, it is an ok signing.

Do I like where we are as a club right now? Of course not. But that's a bigger issue.

He's @#/? not an OK signing .. STOP taking a Venky rogering.. Do remind how ok he was last time