[Archived] Summer Transfer/discussion Thread

[mustard]

Couldn't give a damn where Rhodes goes, but for sure, I wouldn't pay the money Boro would want for him, just to go back to where we were with him.

Sounds like Boro have now worked him out - just as Scotland, rovers and every other decent side have. If Boro could get back anywhere near to what they paid for him, they would be mad to turn it down. He wasn't a regular starter for them in the championship and wouldn't be in the PL.

All in my opinion of course

Eh?

[Dunnfc]

Wonder if he picked up enough in the UAE and fancies a spot of Lancashire instead of some decent money.

Kenwyne Jones.

Graham Jones Stokes

Larvly.

[JHRover]

This had crossed my mind several times and the word 'spite' is uppermost in my thoughts. In fact I think spite has superseded stupid as far as them wretches are concerned.

I think that there is certainly an element of spite in the decisions we have seen over the last few months.

Whoever is making decisions, and I don't believe for one minute that decisions are being made solely by the family any more, appears to be trying to teach us plebs a lesson. That lesson being that they will do what they want to do, and no amount of complaining, moaning, boycotting or shouting and screaming will make the slightest bit of difference to them.

I think that in return for their 'investment' of £15 million a year or whatever it is they really do expect us plebs to be eternally grateful for their support and for us to happily support whatever decisions they make without any question or complaint. So when fans are moaning and groaning repeatedly, despite claiming to have put fortunes into the club, they don't like it.

They like to paint themselves as great benevolent people who in return for paying the bills expect complete and utter obedience from their subjects below. When they don't get that and people continue to criticise them and question them publicly then its team to teach us all a lesson.

I think the Lambert debacle has played a big part in this. It was an experiment that went wrong. They clearly thought appointing a manager who had been promoted in the past would immediately translate into us getting promoted, or going close, with minimal investment. When that didn't transpire and Lambert made his very public demands for serious cash and restructuring at the club, they didn't like it, as they are used to obedient managers who need the job and will put up with whatever hand they get dealt.

So Lambert's behaviour and eventual resignation won't have gone down well. It also served to show the world what life is really like on the inside at Ewood. After 4 years under Kean and Bowyer who both refused to criticise the owners and actually repeatedly praised them for their support, to suddenly have a manager spilling the beans on the shambles behind the scenes will have been most unwelcome for them.

Then to make matters worse the vast majority of the fanbase sided with Lambert. The vast majority of people felt he was the right man for the job, said the right things, and could have done a good job were he backed properly. The blame has therefore landed on Venkys shoulders. They are the reason Lambert walked and they don't like being blamed for that and they don't like the plebs siding with the manager rather than them. They think the plebs should meekly accept whoever they chose to be the manager and not question their level of 'investment' or decision making.

So, to teach us all a lesson for siding with Lambert and questioning them after so much money, they go out and appoint an ex-dingle, that nobody in their right minds would have considered for this club. They treat the fanbase with utter contempt because that is the way they feel - they don't like us, and they don't care if we know it. How dare we question their decisions and their financial contribution.

For what its worth, I think Hanley is going. Its a foregone conclusion. We're now seeing the newspaper stories which usually lead to a departure. We had it repeatedly with Rhodes and now we're on to the next one. Someone has to be sold to pay the bills and fund Owen's squad building, and Hanley is the obvious one with the most financial value. They're probably hawking him around as we speak, hoping a Premier League club express interest as it will soften the blow to season ticket renewers if he goes to the Prem rather than a rival. But if we reach late August and there's no Premier League interest he'll be off to the highest bidder, lets not delude ourselves.

I'm not convinced this is Mrs Desai's view, but more the other people who are making decisions. I don't think she will have ever met Lambert or spoken to him.

[Iceman]

Couldn't give a damn where Rhodes goes, but for sure, I wouldn't pay the money Boro would want for him, just to go back to where we were with him.

Sounds like Boro have now worked him out - just as Scotland, rovers and every other decent side have. If Boro could get back anywhere near to what they paid for him, they would be mad to turn it down. He wasn't a regular starter for them in the championship and wouldn't be in the PL.

All in my opinion of course

Sure no problem re your opinion Den, but there is no denying that the lad knows where the back of the net is. Its up to the manager, to find players who will run specific channels and make space for him to run onto. Rhodes should just be up front and we should have players who will give him the chances he needs. All this talk about a striker that needs to track back and defend, and then running out of gas and not being able to score is silly. We need goals, so find other players who will put the work in behind him, and let that striker score goals. We have been brainwashed by this idea, that a striker should be defending from the front, its not his job.

Back in the day, the midfield ran the show, and were the engine of the team to defend from the front, and track back to help out in defence. Now we just have a bunch of soft arse midfielders who dont last 90 mins.

[JBiz]

Sorry JHR, but that level of conspiracy theory is as ridiculous as it gets. As Gav says, bunkum.

There is no way (IMO) that the family are deliberately making decisions like signing an striker with some connection to "the IRA" just to @#/? the fans off.

[JHRover]

Sorry JHR, but that level of conspiracy theory is as ridiculous as it gets. As Gav says, bunkum.

There is no way (IMO) that the family are deliberately making decisions like signing an striker with some connection to "the IRA" just to @#/? the fans off.

I'm not accusing them of signing Stokes to annoy the fans. That is going a bit far with it. There's no doubt that Stokes is very much a Coyle signing and that Venkys have backed the manager in bringing him in.

But I believe the appointment of Coyle, letting a popular manager in Lambert to walk away, and the disgraceful treatment of fans through no communication, late season tickets etc. is part of a reaction to fans' revolting over the last few months. They expect gratitude and obedience from the fans and if they don't get it will 'punish' us.

[Stuart]

Couldn't give a damn where Rhodes goes, but for sure, I wouldn't pay the money Boro would want for him, just to go back to where we were with him.

Sounds like Boro have now worked him out - just as Scotland, rovers and every other decent side have. If Boro could get back anywhere near to what they paid for him, they would be mad to turn it down. He wasn't a regular starter for them in the championship and wouldn't be in the PL.

All in my opinion of course

Don't ever change, den.

[JBiz]

I'm not accusing them of signing Stokes to annoy the fans. That is going a bit far with it. There's no doubt that Stokes is very much a Coyle signing and that Venkys have backed the manager in bringing him in.

But I believe the appointment of Coyle, letting a popular manager in Lambert to walk away, and the disgraceful treatment of fans through no communication, late season tickets etc. is part of a reaction to fans' revolting over the last few months. They expect gratitude and obedience from the fans and if they don't get it will 'punish' us.

Nonsense, they just don't know how to run the bloody club (IMO!).

If they could get past the pride element of admitting they made mistake, that might be a starting point for explaining what's going on, until this communication happens, we are none the wiser.

I can't for the life of me believe that what you're saying is anything but paranoia! Now I can understand the desperation and anguish people feel but its just far fetched!

I also don't think the PL scenario is as simple as it seems.

[gumboots]

You may not believe it but the appointment of Coyle (who nobody seriously thought was in the frame when his name was first mentioned) immediately after the Twitter campaign, lends weight to the theory!

[Speedie Dived]

Do people seriously believe Boro will let Rhodes go?

Yeah, the manager doesn't rate him at all.

[JBiz]

You may not believe it but the appointment of Coyle (who nobody seriously thought was in the frame when his name was first mentioned) immediately after the Twitter campaign, lends weight to the theory!

No weight, just more paranoia

The scenario to me was simple, what manager was going to take a job with no real investment, no space to bring in your own backroom team and most likely a low wage?

Answer - someone who didn't have much to lose! I didn't want Coyle either but to suggest he was picked because someone knew that he'd wind up the fans?

Crazy talk IMO

[JHRover]

Yeah, the manager doesn't rate him at all.

I think Karanka's disgraceful tantrum mid-season when it looked like he might leave the club was partly down to the Rhodes signing. He was getting stick from the fans because he couldnt or wouldnt play Rhodes and Nugent together up front, and he admitted when Rhodes signed that it had been the chairman who had gone out and got him.

So if Karanka's running things it wouldn't be a surprise to see him leave later this summer. Derby or Sheffield Wednesday will be his likely destination. Both clubs who appear to enjoy spending money for the sake of it, often on players they don't need, presumably to show they can do without being embargoed.

No weight, just more paranoia

The scenario to me was simple, what manager was going to take a job with no real investment, no space to bring in your own backroom team and most likely a low wage?

Answer - someone who didn't have much to lose! I didn't want Coyle either but to suggest he was picked because someone knew that he'd wind up the fans?

Crazy talk IMO

Lots of managers. Warnock clearly came close to getting it, or was at least receptive to the idea, both Alex McLeish and Billy Davies wanted a shot at it hence the planted media stories to try and get their names in the running. We can be sure there are a lot more who would have been interested also.

Despite all the problems here the new manager can come in and build his own squad. A great opportunity for a manager who can work to a budget with good contacts to quickly assemble a good side. They've allegedly beaten other Championship clubs to Stokes, so the wage budget must be competitive.

They had people queuing up for this job, yet went for a man who is universally disliked by Rovers fans. Why? I think at least partly its because they (or whoever made the decision) knew that it would wind people up.

[tomphil]

He's grown on me after a dodgy few years. If i was him, I'd probably want out if the only song the fans can think of is mocking the size of my head.

Apparently he quite likes the song and I'd wager it's more about the fact he can see the club going backwards as to why he'd even consider the likes of Fulham.

[bluefred]

I think Rhodes would not want to go back into the championship so soon,

he'd run his contract down .

[dingles staying down 4ever]

I think Karanka's disgraceful tantrum mid-season when it looked like he might leave the club was partly down to the Rhodes signing. He was getting stick from the fans because he couldnt or wouldnt play Rhodes and Nugent together up front, and he admitted when Rhodes signed that it had been the chairman who had gone out and got him.

So if Karanka's running things it wouldn't be a surprise to see him leave later this summer. Derby or Sheffield Wednesday will be his likely destination. Both clubs who appear to enjoy spending money for the sake of it, often on players they don't need, presumably to show they can do without being embargoed.

Lots of managers. Warnock clearly came close to getting it, or was at least receptive to the idea, both Alex McLeish and Billy Davies wanted a shot at it hence the planted media stories to try and get their names in the running. We can be sure there are a lot more who would have been interested also.

Despite all the problems here the new manager can come in and build his own squad. A great opportunity for a manager who can work to a budget with good contacts to quickly assemble a good side. They've allegedly beaten other Championship clubs to Stokes, so the wage budget must be competitive.

They had people queuing up for this job, yet went for a man who is universally disliked by Rovers fans. Why? I think at least partly its because they (or whoever made the decision) knew that it would wind people up.

I can see where you get your theory but here is a genuine question. Not discounting your theory, where does Alan Irvine fit into this. It is said that he sweet talked Rovers about Coyle and vice versa. Is he in your conspiracy theory as well?

[JBiz]

Lots of managers. Warnock clearly came close to getting it, or was at least receptive to the idea, both Alex McLeish and Billy Davies wanted a shot at it hence the planted media stories to try and get their names in the running. We can be sure there are a lot more who would have been interested also.

Despite all the problems here the new manager can come in and build his own squad. A great opportunity for a manager who can work to a budget with good contacts to quickly assemble a good side. They've allegedly beaten other Championship clubs to Stokes, so the wage budget must be competitive.

They had people queuing up for this job, yet went for a man who is universally disliked by Rovers fans. Why? I think at least partly its because they (or whoever made the decision) knew that it would wind people up.

Sorry JHR this is just something I'm never going to agree on.

I can't accept that the club is the level of plaything to them that they'd gladly give up customers at the sake of a bit of fun towards people who are giving them stick.

All this about managers being interested, as much paper and bookie talk than anything else. I think they talked to a few but the cost, staff and investment meant those with anything but nothing to lose wouldn't bother.

I also think it's time the conspiracy stops, no definitive answers can ever be reached when the scenario is so "anti comms"! All it does it serve to breed more hatred, whilst you didn't make the suggestion about stokes - another person using this same idea said as much earlier..

[gumboots]

Not necessarily. He may have brought the name but I think for all sorts of reasons it would generally have been thrown out as a suggestion. It's not just the appt of Coyle, but the timing of the appt that stinks.

[Jock]

Because of the money £££ on stake for promotion the coming season Venkys looks to approve Coyle transfers but a long long way to go...

Are you for real? Do you work for the scum Rao's?

[tomphil]

No weight, just more paranoia

The scenario to me was simple, what manager was going to take a job with no real investment, no space to bring in your own backroom team and most likely a low wage?

Answer - someone who didn't have much to lose! I didn't want Coyle either but to suggest he was picked because someone knew that he'd wind up the fans?

Crazy talk IMO

No weight to the old 'they just don't know how to run the club' theories either pal.

They know exactly how to go about it they just refuse for whatever reasons which leads us down the theory routes. The truth will probably be somewhere in the middle - part clueless & stubborn, part stitched up and a nice dose of dodgyness right in the middle of it all.

[JBiz]

Not necessarily. He may have brought the name but I think for all sorts of reasons it would generally have been thrown out as a suggestion. It's not just the appt of Coyle, but the timing of the appt that stinks.

We had no manager? We hired one? Id call that normal timing.

No weight to the old 'they just don't know how to run the club' theories either pal.

They know exactly how to go about it they just refuse for whatever reasons which leads us down the theory routes. The truth will probably be somewhere in the middle - part clueless & stubborn, part stitched up and a nice dose of dodgyness right in the middle of it all.

Certainly! Hence why I mentioned pride earlier. The idea that ons of them has done this deliberately to @#/? off fans though?

[T J Hooker]

Hanley rumours picking up pace now so at least we can look forward to a few more freebies after the next asset gets cashed.

Seems like Hanleys Agents are working overdrive to get him a move, personally id snatch up any offer over 2.5m(never mind 5m!) Hes been the one consistant presence in our starting line up through the last 5 years of crap performances and results wath an obscene amount of games just thrown away through shear stupidity, No they aren't all his mistakes but as captain and the key man in our back line its his duty to keep things organised and focused.

[tomphil]

Not sure on the @#/? them off theory BUT there is definitely an air of like it or lump it we'll do what we want. Although that has been the case from the off really I suppose it's just that they don't seem to even attempt to dress it up anymore. I'd say that's because they don't care a jot and have now left it to their advisors and their & our finance man to run it.

The instructions probably being just make it pay for itself whatever you have to do and don't bother us unless we bother you !

[oldjamfan1]

Seems like Hanleys Agents are working overdrive to get him a move, personally id snatch up any offer over 2.5m(never mind 5m!) Hes been the one consistant presence in our starting line up through the last 5 years of crap performances and results wath an obscene amount of games just thrown away through shear stupidity, No they aren't all his mistakes but as captain and the key man in our back line its his duty to keep things organised and focused.

Harsh.

He's been a constant in Scotland's team for a while now and they've done okay haven't they?........

.......Haven't they?

[T J Hooker]

Looked a very bad break...with age probably struggle at this level now I suspect.

His days of playing right back at this level are probably gone(although he may still offer adequate short term cover) but I think he could still do a good job at cb, he played a dozen games on loan at sheff united at the end of last season, cant see him getting a sniff at boro in the prem, would definitely be good player to swell our ranks if we can get a good deal(loan or transfer) Was it possibly Coyle that signed him for Bolton?

Harsh.

He's been a constant in Scotland's team for a while now and they've done okay haven't they?........

.......Haven't they?

have they? id say NI and ROI have done better with less players and less quality players at their disposal.

[tomphil]

Seems like Hanleys Agents are working overdrive to get him a move, personally id snatch up any offer over 2.5m(never mind 5m!) Hes been the one consistant presence in our starting line up through the last 5 years of crap performances and results wath an obscene amount of games just thrown away through shear stupidity, No they aren't all his mistakes but as captain and the key man in our back line its his duty to keep things organised and focused.

I'd be looking for a decent whack for him he might be our last big asset for a while and he could follow the Scott Dann route so we'd at least need some good add ons. Big Grant will be paying a lot of this seasons bills if he goes.

As always the main problem is the replacement, I've seen Baptist mentioned but that has to be a joke. I like Baps but at his age and after injury he's no way a replacement now for Hanley. A decent manager should be able to replace him given a million + or the offer of a decent wage to a free.

Rumours of Wheater who I mentioned I thought was ok a while back..... to play alongside Hanley. Replacing Grant with someone like him on a long contract and big wage just opens up the conspiracy box again.