[Archived] Summer Transfer/discussion Thread

[JAL]

"English Messi" ffs were have we heard this stuff before- could be a great little player though(and i mean "little" at only 5ft5 according to wiki) city paid 12mill for him from fulham apparently, scored half a dozen for celtic

https://youtu.be/eaKOkGPi1Wk

He must be a dummy if duck egg Coyle rates him or the agents that plague this club do.

If we have the money to spend I'd sell Hanley for £5m...no qualms.

Your on a wind up or just don't like us Rovers which is it Mani ?

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Well, yes you are. We want him, he wants to play for us, we won"t pay him what others are offering and he will go elsewhere while we get someone inferior.

I'd say you are missing quite a bit.

Maybe you're missing the glaringly obvious common sense approach adopted by Graham who is likely to be listening to a number of offers and weighing up the pros and cons of them all. As all players do.

He must be a dummy if duck egg Coyle rates him or the agents that plague this club do.

Your on a wind up or just don't like us Rovers which is it Mani ?

Go and have a lie down you barm pot.

[Dunnfc]

Who can we realistically replace Hanley with. Massive loss for me.

I'd take Adrian Mariappa anyday but more for the rb role was my thoughts.

[Iceman]

Who can we realistically replace Hanley with. Massive loss for me.

I'd take Adrian Mariappa anyday but more for the rb role was my thoughts.

Tyler Blackett

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Tyler Blackett

Apparently he didn't pull up any trees at Celtic last season but does have a bit of Premiership experience and is versatile enough to play at left back or centre half. Not a bad shout.

[neophox]

Jack Grealish, with Coyles obessession for Irish players...

also

think

Duffy could be our new captain coming season....and that means...

watch this space....

[neophox]

Mariappa is a good shout, also wanted by Rangers.

[yeti-dog]

Well, yes you are. We want him, he wants to play for us, we won"t pay him what others are offering and he will go elsewhere while we get someone inferior.

I'd say you are missing quite a bit....

But isn't that the transfer system in microcosm?

Surely we've just done the same to a couple of clubs regarding Stokes?

Still don't see what the point was but thanks for trying to help me out 47er....

[AJW]

We may already have his replacement ... Elliot Ward ... We'll Bring in a freebie or a loan to be third choice , and promote a young kid to be 4th choice ..job done the Venkys way

[LewisF]

Elliot Ward is decent to be honest, I rate him more than Duffy, when Ward was paired with Hanley we passed it out better and more effectively from the back. As a replacement for Duffy - yes, as a replacement for Hanley - no. Anyone see when Ward and Duffy were pared together, against West Ham and hull? Sheesh.

Would've liked to see Killa offered a new contract

[neophox]

Contracted team at the moment:

Steele

Lowe, Hanley, Duffy, Henley

Bennett, Evans, Leninhan, Conway

Marshall

Stokes

Relegation fodder?

[LewisF]

At the moment:

Steele

Lowe Duffy/Ward Hanley Henley

Evans Lenihan

Bennett Marshall Conway

Stokes

Based on possible signings and if we don't sell our best players

Steele

Lowe Duffy/Ward Hanley Hendrie

Evans Lenihan

Bennett Toral Marshall

Stokes/Graham

With Lambert I'd be confident of a top half/playoff pushing finish with that squad given a full preseason, with Coyle God knows

[T J Hooker]

Can tell you've not been on in a while.

been enough to spot crap when i see it thanks, have people actually just forgot what its like to have a good reliable consistent commanding cb?

[K-Hod]

been enough to spot crap when i see it thanks, have people actually just forgot what its like to have a good reliable consistent commanding cb?

Hanley has become exactly that incidentally! Last season he was the best he's ever been in our colours......

[T J Hooker]

not sayimg very much that is it though

[K-Hod]

npt sayimg very much that is it

Nah, but with the position we're in, it means we should be fighting tooth and nail to keep our best players, otherwise, we're just accepting the continual downgrade.

I fully expect the powers that be will snap the hands off of any suitors interested in Hanley, Duffy or Marshall like, but still, it would be nice for them to show at least some ambition.....

[JHRover]

If Hanley was no good then we wouldn't be discussing his possible departure. He wouldn't be a mainstay of his national team. Fact is numerous clubs are clearly interested in his signature because they know he's currently a very good Championship CB and a good age with a good level of experience, and given the right management could easily make the step up to being a half decent Premier League CB.

I've heard various arguments suggesting that selling Cairney was a good idea as 'he wasn't that good' or selling Gestede was a good idea because it would allow Rhodes to flourish more, or selling Rhodes was a good idea because we could do better than him for much less money and allegedly we simply couldn't afford to be paying his wages whilst rivals can apparently dish out whatever they want. Now we're sat here likely to be fighting relegation next season. Meanwhile Rhodes is going into the Premier League, Cairney was one of Fulham's best players last season, and Gestede is likely to be part of a Villa side challenging for promotion next season under Di Matteo.

So those sales didn't work out at all for the club. We didn't improve after they left. Whatever money was received from their sales has gone into a big black hole and has been of no material benefit to the football club other than helping Venkys to pay the bills and keep the circus rolling for another couple of years.

Selling Hanley and Marshall will be the same story. They will be sold for around £6 million combined. Numerous Rovers fans will attempt to convince themselves and others that we can be better without them or that they aren't that much of a loss or the money will be useful to help Coyle assemble his own squad.

The reality will be that about £5.5 million of that money will never be seen again, the remainder will be used to fund loan signings and signing on/agent fees for free agents. We have another 12 months of struggle, probable relegation, before they look for the next 'asset' to cash in on, only eventually there will be none left, because relying on loan signings means eventually we will reach a stage where the club has no assets of its own and is instead reliant on other clubs' benevolence to squad build.

[Rover_Shaun]

We got to be asking for 5 mil plus for Hanley. Would only sell if we can get a good quality player in to replacement him. Only sell after replacement is in.

we didnt do that with rhodes, jones, gestede, dann, olsson et al. So why expect anything else?

[G Somerset Rover]

we didnt do that with rhodes, jones, gestede, dann, olsson et al. So why expect anything else?

Beggars belief that some can't see the wood for the trees. Downgrade, downgrade, downgrade - that's all that's been on the agenda since they bowled into Town. Why would they suddenly change tact now? If Hanley goes, Ward will step in and a youngster will be promoted OR some donkey like Wheater will be snapped up on a free.

[Parsonblue]

I don't disagree with that JHR, but I suspect both Hanley and Marshall will WANT to leave. They are both at a point in their careers where they need to move on if they have ambitions of playing at a higher level. They are not going to achieve that with the Rovers as mid-table will be the best we can hope for next season but, in all propablity it is likely to be another relegation battle.

[Lancaster Rover]

I'm concerned about the signing of Hendrie, I saw him for Southend and he was poor. Speaking to mates who watch more league 1 than me he wasn't great all year, doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

[eddy11d]

I'm concerned about the signing of Hendrie, I saw him for Southend and he was poor. Speaking to mates who watch more league 1 than me he wasn't great all year, doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

He only played 5 games for them didn't he?

[ABBEY]

A relegation battle brought about the @#/? wits in India... Time to make a stand.

[davulsukur]

He only played 5 games for them didn't he?

Unless it's because of injury, doesn't that just add more weight the argument that he's not very good?

[JHRover]

I don't disagree with that JHR, but I suspect both Hanley and Marshall will WANT to leave. They are both at a point in their careers where they need to move on if they have ambitions of playing at a higher level. They are not going to achieve that with the Rovers as mid-table will be the best we can hope for next season but, in all propablity it is likely to be another relegation battle.

I've no problem with them wanting to play at a higher level (Premier League). That's natural and I'd have no issue whatsoever if either were sold to a Premier League club. I'd have more of an issue if they were sold to a Championship rival, because once again that would speak volumes about this clubs ambition and the people running it. They preach that they want promotion and want to do well, and yet if our best players would want to play for a rival club then it once again shows that that we're going nowhere but down, and says a lot more than the pathetic stunts like a 'promotion pledge'.

There has to be a way of escaping the downward spiral. Usually there are 3 ways of achieving that - new owners, new manager or serious investment. Those are really the only 3 ways of convincing an ambitious player that his future belongs at the club.

My issue is also the fact that none of the money we receive for them will go towards serious squad investment, just like the unprecedented sum of £20 million from our other best players has disappeared. At a serious club with a plan for the future that level of money received from sales would be sensibly reinvested into some quality players.

Every club loses their best players from time to time, but just as important is what happens next and how they are replaced. Lose Hanley for £5 million and reinvest half or more of that into finding a replacement and the damage could be minimal. Follow the same trajectory of trying to replace him with a free agent or loan player and its another step on the road to relegation. I can't help but suspect that rather than the club 'reluctantly' letting them go if they want to leave, that the club are actively attempting to get them sold as more assets to cash in on, and yet they are going to try and con us by leaving it a month or so, in the meantime allowing Coyle to bring in a large number of players, before pushing them through the exit door. I don't mind losing our best players, from time to time, but the policy appears to be deception and a deliberate plan of selling our star player every transfer window.

I wouldn't blame Hanley for seeking to leave. Its 6 years since he made his Premier League debut for the club in that game at Aston Villa on the final day of the season when Sam Allardyce was manager. Just look at what has happened in that 6 years, what an astonishing decline, culminating in him watching the likes of Rhodes, Gestede and Cairney sold off and the club waving the white flag on promotion as a realistic target, and Paul Lambert holding his hands up and declaring the club a lost cause.