[Archived] Championship 2016/17 Season

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Teams need 50 points over the full season, give or take, to be sure.

Even ignoring the current league position, if we still need 40 with almost half our games played then we are in real trouble.

Self-denial is one thing, trying to convince everyone else that they shouldn't worry is another thing entirely.

Yep, A work mate once gave me this advice -," You can try and fool everybody else but never try to fool yourself."

The bottom line is we're a poor team with two or three good 'uns. This lot are just trying to drag in any cash they can. When the good ' uns get sold that'll be it.

[Parsonblue]

And after that PB?

We sell anyone who can command a fee and try to cobble a team together at the last minute, consisting of freebies, oldies and loanees.

And then we start all over again. Ambition? To avoid relegation again! Soul destroying.

Dog Day Afternoon with these owners.

From what I hear - only second hand - it sounds as if the owners are determined to stay. Indeed, I don't think relegation would persuade them to leave. Thus it's up to the manager to work within incredibly tight boundaries to build a team that is capable of staying in the Championship. At the moment Championship survival is the name of the game - and looking at the table it's the same for about half the teams in the League. Nobody said it would be easy, indeed I suspect the next few years are going to be even more testing but at the moment we are surviving at this level - just.

[tomphil]

But if the team and manager have enough about them to stay up by the skin of our teeth this season and next whilst letting Lenihen, Nyambe and eventually Wharton develop into 4 million pound players ready for the next cull in 2 or 3 windows time the V's & partners will be over the moon.

That's all it's about now, if you thought the plan was build a side with these guys and compliment it with experience and some bright loans to go for promotion you'd say fair enough but it isn't the plan at all. The plan is a big round of sales every 4th or 5th window to service debt to run the club whilst investors get their 'divis'.

[47er]

From what I hear - only second hand - it sounds as if the owners are determined to stay. Indeed, I don't think relegation would persuade them to leave. Thus it's up to the manager to work within incredibly tight boundaries to build a team that is capable of staying in the Championship. At the moment Championship survival is the name of the game - and looking at the table it's the same for about half the teams in the League. Nobody said it would be easy, indeed I suspect the next few years are going to be even more testing but at the moment we are surviving at this level - just.

Just like you say we are simply in a down cycle just like the 70s and 80s, now you say we are in the same predicament as half the League!

No inevitable cycle,just self-inflicted wound after self-inflicted wound. Venkys are entirely in a class of their own.

[ABBEY]

From what I hear - only second hand - it sounds as if the owners are determined to stay. Indeed, I don't think relegation would persuade them to leave. Thus it's up to the manager to work within incredibly tight boundaries to build a team that is capable of staying in the Championship. At the moment Championship survival is the name of the game - and looking at the table it's the same for about half the teams in the League. Nobody said it would be easy, indeed I suspect the next few years are going to be even more testing but at the moment we are surviving at this level - just.

My boycott continues then along with thousands more .. let's hope if they stay that we cost them do much money they end up as beggars on baga beach .

[Stuart]

So Rovers continues to run, not for enjoyment, pride, or a sense of community for the fans, but to keep feeding the leeches stuck to our back.

No wonder crowds are falling.

The end game must surely be to make sure that a football is no longer viable so that any remaining covenant expire?

We can't even have a sense of attending to spite Venkys because that is just prolonging the pain by feeding the problem.

[tomphil]

So Rovers continues to run, not for enjoyment, pride, or a sense of community for the fans, but to keep feeding the leeches stuck to our back.

No wonder crowds are falling.

The end game must surely be to make sure that a football is no longer viable so that any remaining covenant expire?

We can't even have a sense of attending to spite Venkys because that is just prolonging the pain by feeding the problem.

That's what owning a franchise is all about

[Stuart]

That's what owning a franchise is all about

But we aren't a franchise. Football clubs are unique.

Venkys don't get this.

[tomphil]

They get it alright but they are just determined to do it that way despite the spectacular continuing failure of doing it that way. We all know there is something hidden at the core of it all, probably something only the FBI could root out.

They'll slip up one day though.

[47er]

But if the team and manager have enough about them to stay up by the skin of our teeth this season and next whilst letting Lenihen, Nyambe and eventually Wharton develop into 4 million pound players ready for the next cull in 2 or 3 windows time the V's & partners will be over the moon.

That's all it's about now, if you thought the plan was build a side with these guys and compliment it with experience and some bright loans to go for promotion you'd say fair enough but it isn't the plan at all. The plan is a big round of sales every 4th or 5th window to service debt to run the club whilst investors get their 'divis'.

Exactly my point! How can anyone take pride in how a young player develops when you know he isn't being developed for us? The quicker Lenihan and others develop the sooner they'll be running around wearing another club"s shirt, all in a futile attempt to get Venkys their money back or somebody's.

There is no point to it.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

But if the team and manager have enough about them to stay up by the skin of our teeth this season and next whilst letting Lenihen, Nyambe and eventually Wharton develop into 4 million pound players ready for the next cull in 2 or 3 windows time the V's & partners will be over the moon.

That's all it's about now, if you thought the plan was build a side with these guys and compliment it with experience and some bright loans to go for promotion you'd say fair enough but it isn't the plan at all. The plan is a big round of sales every 4th or 5th window to service debt to run the club whilst investors get their 'divis'.

None of them will be allowed to develop into really good players that are worthy of a large fee. The minute anybody offers any sort of a fee they'll be gone.

[Al]

But if the team and manager have enough about them to stay up by the skin of our teeth this season and next whilst letting Lenihen, Nyambe and eventually Wharton develop into 4 million pound players ready for the next cull in 2 or 3 windows time the V's & partners will be over the moon.

That's all it's about now, if you thought the plan was build a side with these guys and compliment it with experience and some bright loans to go for promotion you'd say fair enough but it isn't the plan at all. The plan is a big round of sales every 4th or 5th window to service debt to run the club whilst investors get their 'divis'.

After today's game I don't believe that Nyambe is anywhere near ready yet and certainly should not be allowed to take throws. He can't do it and, contrary to popular belief, it is my opinion that Wharton is not ready either. He mis-times far too many headers for a centre half. Maybe next season if he progresses.

[Stuart]

Exactly my point! How can anyone take pride in how a young player develops when you know he isn't being developed for us? The quicker Lenihan and others develop the sooner they'll be running around wearing another club"s shirt, all in a futile attempt to get Venkys their money back or somebody's.

There is no point to it.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you but Lenihan made his 50th first team appearance yesterday. This will be seen as the academy contributing to, and performing for,the first team despite it simply being a downgrade of the first team standard.

[tomphil]

After today's game I don't believe that Nyambe is anywhere near ready yet and certainly should not be allowed to take throws. He can't do it and, contrary to popular belief, it is my opinion that Wharton is not ready either. He mis-times far too many headers for a centre half. Maybe next season if he progresses.

The correct way to do it would be a loan out to a lower league club whilst they continue to develop and get used to being involved in first team games week in week out. Also helps the personal development and character building but here now with the situation Venkys & co have created that won't happen.

The more the team is dumbed down and the poorer it is actually helps the agenda of throwing these lads in. Nobody expects much as they are coming into a struggling team anyway, doesn't really help the players themselves but when you are surrounded by poor players you won't look that out of place if you aren't really up to scratch yourself.

You can almost liken this to years ago when skint and they had no option but to throw in the likes of Wilcox, Skinner, Dewhurst & Shepstone etc. Non were ready and only a couple were ever going to be destined to be good enough anyway at that level. Difference was they were probably on YTS wages, we weren't owned by rich people and we hadn't dispensed with tens of millions in talent.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

From what I hear - only second hand - it sounds as if the owners are determined to stay. Indeed, I don't think relegation would persuade them to leave. Thus it's up to the manager to work within incredibly tight boundaries to build a team that is capable of staying in the Championship. At the moment Championship survival is the name of the game - and looking at the table it's the same for about half the teams in the League. Nobody said it would be easy, indeed I suspect the next few years are going to be even more testing but at the moment we are surviving at this level - just.

It's all of their own making Parson and its damn well not good enough...I for one can't and won't except how they have treated this club with utter contempt and continuing mismanagement.

You are simply left asking the same question over and over and over again....why are you here Raos if you wont run this club properly??

[tomphil]

The pics taken from the Huddersfield end during the game of an empty Ewood doing the rounds on twitter should be emailed direct to Pune by those no marks at the club. Alongside it should be words like this cannot be allowed to keep going this way and we fear next season will be even worse so something needs to be done otherwise we'll go bust.

But no they just dress the crowd up to make believe there is over 10k home fans on every game and probably tell Pune it's because of Brexit or something.

A complete charade.

[Stuart]

The pics taken from the Huddersfield end during the game of an empty Ewood doing the rounds on twitter should be emailed direct to Pune by those no marks at the club. Alongside it should be words like this cannot be allowed to keep going this way and we fear next season will be even worse so something needs to be done otherwise we'll go bust.

But no they just dress the crowd up to make believe there is over 10k home fans on every game and probably tell Pune it's because of Brexit or something.

A complete charade.

Actually looks fuller than I thought it would - which I guess tells its own story.

Most people congregating in the BBE side of the JW though.

Anyone know the official gate from yesterday? Would guess about 12k or so based on the Hudds contingent.

[Parsonblue]

Just over 12,000 Stuart with almost 2,000 from Huddersfield. I must admit that in the Jack Walker Upper it certainly felt as though there were more on yesterday - first time this season I've had to queue up for a coffee before the game. Obviously the actual figure will be less but it certainly looked like there were more on than usual.

[JHRover]

Huddersfield fans aside I felt as though there was a noticeable increase in the number of people on Ewood yesterday. Obviously still well short on what we had not so long since but there were clearly a few more there than there had been previously against Brentford and Wolves.

Maybe it was the return to a 3pm kick off and the first decent day of weather at Ewood on matchday in a while, or maybe it was an actual response to an improvement in fortunes.

[tomphil]

I think all that would be down to a few more ST holders who pick and choose just deciding to pitch up for that one probably on the back of what's been mentioned.

[Stuart]

Just over 12,000 Stuart with almost 2,000 from Huddersfield. I must admit that in the Jack Walker Upper it certainly felt as though there were more on yesterday - first time this season I've had to queue up for a coffee before the game. Obviously the actual figure will be less but it certainly looked like there were more on than usual.

Thanks. Does seem as though we've tapped out at 10k plus whatever away support turns up. Due to the way it's reported we won't see a sub 10k (league) crowd this season. But whether or not we've hit the 'hardcore only' level yet, I'm not sure.

Could well see 7-8k crowds being the norm next season. If we stay up.

I think all that would be down to a few more ST holders who pick and choose just deciding to pitch up for that one probably on the back of what's been mentioned.

That would certainly explain the visible increase compared to the usual standard figures being quoted. I'm surprised in this day and age the actual number on the ground doesn't have to be publically declared instead of, or as well as, tickets "sold".

[roverandout]

Oh damn it I forgot the golden rule on here cant be positive on here. People wont like it. Or people will post pointless comments

Trouble is chaddy, u have no credibility on here, in fact you are a bit if a laughing stock on this board

[47er]

Not that I'm disagreeing with you but Lenihan made his 50th first team appearance yesterday. This will be seen as the academy contributing to, and performing for,the first team despite it simply being a downgrade of the first team standard.

But he's now being touted as an exceptional prospect at centre-back. No planning or managerial genius in this. We were stuck so we tried him there and it's working.

If he continues to play there and do well, other clubs will come knocking and we know the rest.

[JHRover]

But he's now being touted as an exceptional prospect at centre-back. No planning or managerial genius in this. We were stuck so we tried him there and it's working.

If he continues to play there and do well, other clubs will come knocking and we know the rest.

Yep, i can see him being something of a January 'bonus' for the money men, although they might have to wait until the summer for the bigger bids to come in.

After the sales bonanza of January and this summer it was looking like Marshall was the only remaining sell-able asset left at the club. By a turn of events we've now got Lenihan excelling at CB which will not go un-noticed elsewhere in the League.

Expect him to be here until August at the latest and then he'll be on his way, possibly to Wolves as Lambert liked him here, probably for £2 million or so.

Pats on the back all round for Cheston and co. if they can pull an unexpected rabbit out of the hat just as it was looking like all the assets had been liquidated.

[tomphil]

Thanks. Does seem as though we've tapped out at 10k plus whatever away support turns up. Due to the way it's reported we won't see a sub 10k (league) crowd this season. But whether or not we've hit the 'hardcore only' level yet, I'm not sure.

Could well see 7-8k crowds being the norm next season. If we stay up.

That would certainly explain the visible increase compared to the usual standard figures being quoted. I'm surprised in this day and age the actual number on the ground doesn't have to be publically declared instead of, or as well as, tickets "sold".

I've read somewhere on here that happens at some grounds where the official att is announced on the scoreboard but the actual attendance flashes up in the boardroom or something. I think it was at North End someone mentioned that happens. Pretty sure at Rovers they include all the corporates and people in the boxes in the official figure as well.