[Archived] Does Nigel Farage Deserve A Knighthood?

[Gav]

Achievement isn't the word I'd use Gav.

After wrecking the prospects for Britain's future, Farage has beaten a hasty retreat, knowing full well that he will be held fully accountable for the mess he's made when Britain has to "negotiate" Brexit terms with the EU that will drive Britain's economy into the ground.

There is a solution. Given that these three people most responsible for this mess, Cameron, Johnson and Farage, have all resigned and refuse to take responsibility for their handiwork, parliament should vote to vacate the results of the referendum and advise the EU that Article 50 will not be triggered and that Britain will stay in the Union.

Those who are unhappy with this should lay their concerns at the feet of Johnson, Farage and Cameron and let them deal with the backlash

This it about what Farage has achieved and if he deserves recognition Jim, its not another sounding board for your unhappiness at the Brexit vote.

You've always shown an interest in the politics of not only this country but several others as well! but even you must have a bit of admiration/respect from what Farage has managed to achieve? its almost unprecedented in our time.

[yoda]

This it about what Farage has achieved and if he deserves recognition Jim, its not another sounding board for your unhappiness at the Brexit vote.

You've always shown an interest in the politics of not only this country but several others as well! but even you must have a bit of admiration/respect from what Farage has managed to achieve? its almost unprecedented in our time.

It is a bit surprising from Jim considering his previous admiration for Thatcher on occasions

[jim mk2]

This it about what Farage has achieved and if he deserves recognition Jim, its not another sounding board for your unhappiness at the Brexit vote.

You've always shown an interest in the politics of not only this country but several others as well! but even you must have a bit of admiration/respect from what Farage has managed to achieve? its almost unprecedented in our time.

With Cameron and Johnson he's helped to put Britain on the road to economic ruin and caused division and hatred in what was previously tolerant and united country. Admiration and respect - never ?

[yoda]

With Cameron and Johnson he's helped to put Britain on the road to economic ruin and caused division and hatred in what was previously tolerant and united country. Admiration and respect - never ?

That's a history re write if ever there was one

[Gav]

With Cameron and Johnson he's helped to put Britain on the road to economic ruin and caused division and hatred in what was previously tolerant and united country. Admiration and respect - never ?

Fair enough

[broadsword]

He deserves recognition alright.

He needs a damn good hiding.

One of the worst example of EU waste is his salary. Out of 746 MEP's, the only MEP with a worse attendance record than him is a guy who's been paralysed from the waist down.

It's the worst thing that's happened to this country since the ERM debacle.

Of course, morons like Nigel will be cushioned from the effects of this by their rather nice bank balance.

[yoda]

He deserves recognition alright.

He needs a damn good hiding.

One of the worst example of EU waste is his salary. Out of 746 MEP's, the only MEP with a worse attendance record than him is a guy who's been paralysed from the waist down.

It's the worst thing that's happened to this country since the ERM debacle.

Of course, morons like Nigel will be cushioned from the effects of this by their rather nice bank balance.

There are 10,000 EU commissionaires earning more than Cameron

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

If you seek to turn people against their neighbours and exploit people's fear of what's different then it should come as no surprise that extremists at the other end of the spectrum turn on you. I'm not saying hate mail and death threats are acceptable, just that when you legitimise fear tactics then you open yourself to people who think anything goes.

That first bit seems rather Reductio Ad Absurdum of what he actually did seek, a UK entirely run by a democratically elected UK parliament and the ability to control our own borders. You might not agree with that but it's a valid viewpoint and as such there is no justification for any strong arm (dare i say fascist?) tactics from left-wing activists to silence it. Even the tone in many responses on here, whilst flippant, is one of violence. Corbyn is often the antithesis of my political views but I'm pretty sure I've never expressed a desire to punch him. There's seems to be a developing, slightly sinister, trait amongst the far left though that this is somehow a perfectly reasonable approach to eliminate certain viewpoints.

[Baz]

No it's called a precedent. They're used in the due process of the law all the time.

Stupid defense of a stupid argument. Gongs aren't given out on a legal basis.

[JAL]

Look him up along with Tony Blair and Philip Green !

Philip Green to be released once he's paid a sustantional amount back into the BHS pension fund I.e. £300m +.

[yoda]

Look him up along with Tony Blair and Philip Green !

Philip Green to be released once he's paid a sustantional amount back into the BHS pension fund I.e. £300m +.

released from where ?

[Baz]

released from where ?

the hell-hole of Monte Carlo?

[yoda]

the hell-hole of Monte Carlo?

Alactraz for the rich

[JAL]

released from where ?

Why haven't they arrested them yet ?

[gumboots]

That first bit seems rather Reductio Ad Absurdum of what he actually did seek, a UK entirely run by a democratically elected UK parliament and the ability to control our own borders. You might not agree with that but it's a valid viewpoint and as such there is no justification for any strong arm (dare i say fascist?) tactics from left-wing activists to silence it. Even the tone in many responses on here, whilst flippant, is one of violence. Corbyn is often the antithesis of my political views but I'm pretty sure I've never expressed a desire to punch him. There's seems to be a developing, slightly sinister, trait amongst the far left though that this is somehow a perfectly reasonable approach to eliminate certain viewpoints.

He may not actively say his aim is to turn people against what they don't know, that would be illegal anyway, but any campaign advocating Britain for the British and those we like automatically opens the door to xenophobia and possible racism. One attracts the other. I do not condone violence wherever it comes from, left or right, it's not political anyway, it's just those of a nasty character feeling their hatred is legitimised. Farage opened a particularly nasty can of worms.

[otto man]

Stupid defense of a stupid argument. Gongs aren't given out on a legal basis.

T'was not a defence nor is it stupid. A precedent is a precedent. If the criteria is the same then it applies to all not just one. Should you not be able to understand this then tis you that is "stupid"

[Baz]

T'was not a defence nor is it stupid. A precedent is a precedent. If the criteria is the same then it applies to all not just one. Should you not be able to understand this then tis you that is "stupid"

So what knighthood has been given because of a precedent?

[Gav]

So what knighthood has been given because of a precedent?

Tory/Labour supporter with pots of cash?

[Norbert Rassragr]

Nope. No knighthood from me. Failed to get elected 7 times as an MP, a big fat liar and hypocrite and just hasn't done enough good. It should be given to record breakers, people who have advanced science, those who have been artistic geniuses..........that sort of thing.

He's achieved a fair amount in launching a party and making them pretty successful in terms of votes but he was helped in his overall goal by many Eurosceptic MPs in the Tories, some of whom like Bill Cash have been at it far longer than Nigel. Oh and an over ambitious clown who wanted Cameron's job and saw the leave campaign as an ideal vehicle.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

He may not actively say his aim is to turn people against what they don't know, that would be illegal anyway, but any campaign advocating Britain for the British and those we like automatically opens the door to xenophobia and possible racism. One attracts the other. I do not condone violence wherever it comes from, left or right, it's not political anyway, it's just those of a nasty character feeling their hatred is legitimised. Farage opened a particularly nasty can of worms.

Well you keep linking a desire to control immigration with xenophobia and racism and all I can say is I totally disagree with that. How many countries on earth have an attitude of there can never be too much immigration? Not many, is literally everyone else xenophobic, including many of the middle eastern countries themselves who have strict immigration policies?

All Farage did is finally gave a voice to 17 million people who had agreed with him from the start and been totally ignored by successive governments. People who's voice had first been silenced by the racism card and when that was finally overcome were tried to be silenced by aggressive behaviour towards their figureheads.

Why don't all that nasty can of worms you mentioned start flinging their vile insults and threatening behaviour at the average man/woman in the street who there's a decent chance thinks just the same as Farage? Tougher target I guess.

[yoda]

Nope. No knighthood from me. Failed to get elected 7 times as an MP, a big fat liar and hypocrite and just hasn't done enough good. It should be given to record breakers, people who have advanced science, those who have been artistic geniuses..........that sort of thing.

He's achieved a fair amount in launching a party and making them pretty successful in terms of votes but he was helped in his overall goal by many Eurosceptic MPs in the Tories, some of whom like Bill Cash have been at it far longer than Nigel. Oh and an over ambitious clown who wanted Cameron's job and saw the leave campaign as an ideal vehicle.

It takes time but the pain will recede over time,

Time to look forward for the rest of us

[Norbert Rassragr]

What are you on about?

I did vote to remain if that's what you mean, but what's done is done in that matter. Farage does not deserve a knighthood as he is a charlatan. He uses the fishermen to complain about quotas, yet out of 48 meetings that decides fishing policies he attends 1. He goes on about the waste and laziness of the EU and yet claims as much as he can in expenses and has the 2nd worst attendance record of all the MEPs. Anyone can stand up in a public meeting and basically call everyone else in the room a load of tossers, and probably for a lot less money.

If he was a decent, honest and principled man, I'd be open to the idea, but he isn't. He's little more than an entertaining guest on HIGNFY.

[gumboots]

Well you keep linking a desire to control immigration with xenophobia and racism and all I can say is I totally disagree with that. How many countries on earth have an attitude of there can never be too much immigration? Not many, is literally everyone else xenophobic, including many of the middle eastern countries themselves who have strict immigration policies?

All Farage did is finally gave a voice to 17 million people who had agreed with him from the start and been totally ignored by successive governments. People who's voice had first been silenced by the racism card and when that was finally overcome were tried to be silenced by aggressive behaviour towards their figureheads.

Why don't all that nasty can of worms you mentioned start flinging their vile insults and threatening behaviour at the average man/woman in the street who there's a decent chance thinks just the same as Farage? Tougher target I guess.

I don't link desire to control immigration with xenophobia in that I don't think they're the same thing at all. What I do think is that UKIP and their allies are used by others with a darker agenda. Once the leave vote has been made, many with that darker agenda have felt safe to indulge their xenophobia. Not the same thing as my suggesting there should be no immigration control.

[Gav]

Is Nigel heading into the Lords?

He deserves it as far as I'm concerned, a politician that's singlehandedly changed the political landscape more than any other politician in a generation.

[Husky]

Far worse people have been knighted.