[Archived] England's Next Manager?

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

No I am no doing that at al, no need to have a pop a anyonel. If you think Allardyce is as good a manager as Hodgson, that is up to you. I know what I saw a Ewood with my own eyes and Hodgsons record speaks for itself.

https://tomkinstimes.com/2010/11/roys-hodgsons-managerial-record/

If you read through the reports available from that era and talk to the fans who are old enough to know, you will find that most fans thought a lot of Hodgson and certainly admired. his style of play. I am supposed to have had pop at someone for calling him clueless, believe me he isn't.

Hodgson's first half-season at Rovers was fine, his next half-season was poor, the start to his second season was utterly abysmal. He should be credited with our relegation almost as much as Brian Kidd is he got us off to such a dreadful start that season.

As for his overall record that you quoted in that link, I am utterly astounded that you think that makes him a good manager. 31.5% win ratio in England is average/poor, fair enough his record in Italy is good, and a 39% win ratio with rich/big clubs is definitely poor.

The guy has always been over-rated for the same reasons you over-rate him, he's nice, intelligent and "plays good football" apparently. Whilst Sam is gruff, confrontational and plays direct football.

As someone who cares only about results, this couldn't be more irrelevant to me (and I think it's highly questionable in any case). What matters to me is Hodgson's woeful 2nd season helped relegate us whilst Sam did the opposite and reversed Ince's woeful start before achieving 10th and a cup semi. This despite having a squad massively inferior to Hughes' with the loss of Friedel, Bentley, Santa Cruz and Warnock, with a minute fraction of those fees being given to him to replace them.

Sam was magnificent here, Hodgson was for 4 months and then was abysmal.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Hodgson's first half-season at Rovers was fine, his next half-season was poor, the start to his second season was utterly abysmal. He should be credited with our relegation almost as much as Brian Kidd is he got us off to such a dreadful start that season.

As for his overall record that you quoted in that link, I am utterly astounded that you think that makes him a good manager. 31.5% win ratio in England is average/poor, fair enough his record in Italy is good, and a 39% win ratio with rich/big clubs is definitely poor.

The guy has always been over-rated for the same reasons you over-rate him, he's nice, intelligent and "plays good football" apparently. Whilst Sam is gruff, confrontational and plays direct football.

As someone who cares only about results, this couldn't be more irrelevant to me (and I think it's highly questionable in any case). What matters to me is Hodgson's woeful 2nd season helped relegate us whilst Sam did the opposite and reversed Ince's woeful start before achieving 10th and a cup semi. This despite having a squad massively inferior to Hughes' with the loss of Friedel, Bentley, Santa Cruz and Warnock, with a minute fraction of those fees being given to him to replace them.

Sam was magnificent here, Hodgson was for 4 months and then was abysmal.

Absolutely. Good job he bought well!

[chaddyrovers]

Sam Allardyce keen to appoint Sammy Lee as his England assistant https://t.co/0yrGg2IHxVvia https://t.co/F1kcnfQgIH

[Gav]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sam-allardyce-england-boss-many-8465277

Just about sums things up, England fans around the country are disgusted and with good reason.

Be interesting to watch this unfold, can Allardyce step up? I think no.

[Parsonblue]

Just about sums things up, England fans around the country are disgusted and with good reason.

Be interesting to watch this unfold, can Allardyce step up? I think no.

We've tried everything else and it's not worked since Sir Alf, so maybe Big Sam might be the man to do it. Certainly can't be any worse than what has gone on before.

[Gav]

We've tried everything else and it's not worked since Sir Alf, so maybe Big Sam might be the man to do it. Certainly can't be any worse than what has gone on before.

For years now we've wanted a young up and coming manager that offers something different, but the FA don't have the balls to appoint.

Allardyce is the same old tried and failed appointment that the FA have always default to, only in this case he's an embarrassing CV, never won a sausage, dumbing down at Ewood is one thing, but it won't wash for long on an international stage.

[JBiz]

For years now we've wanted a young up and coming manager that offers something different, but the FA don't have the balls to appoint.

Allardyce is the same old tried and failed appointment that the FA have always default to, only in this case he's an embarrassing CV, never won a sausage, dumbing down at Ewood is one thing, but it won't wash for long on an international stage.

Can you stop saying "we've" please- all I've wanted as an England fan is results. Big Sam will get those IMO.

Calling his CV embarrassing is amazingly short sighted also imo. Reason being he is one of if not the most experienced managers in England, with a great record.

Results are results. Keeping Sunderland up was a miracle when you take in the issues such as Johnson, Eboue etc.

I think we will do better than Hodgson, Sven and Hoddle combined!

[Gav]

We've is a collective term that goes beyond this site, so with respect no I won't.

The rest of your post is simply dumbing down of the highest order, Allardyce has you in his pocket, but I think you're sincere on this occasion, going with the majority, whatever next!

It's all about opinions, Interesting to see it unfolds Jbizzle

[AllRoverAsia]

For years now we've wanted a young up and coming manager that offers something different, but the FA don't have the balls to appoint.

Allardyce is the same old tried and failed appointment that the FA have always default to, only in this case he's an embarrassing CV, never won a sausage, dumbing down at Ewood is one thing, but it won't wash for long on an international stage.

Young up and coming...with a chrystal ball?

Allardyce is the polar opposite of 'the same old and failed'' - good to see the FA grow some.

His CV is pretty good imo - if a top 5 PL club had hired him he's have won a sackful of sausages.

Personally I think he will do well - the main problem he's got to solve are the little lambs in the squad and I think he's just what those softies need.

I just see us winning and people continuing to moan...just because its Allardyce.

Well we had tippy tappy with Hodgson and Iceland beat us.......FFS Iceland.

[chaddyrovers]

Allardyce confirmed

[Gav]

Young up and coming...with a chrystal ball?

Allardyce is the polar opposite of 'the same old and failed'' - good to see the FA grow some.

His CV is pretty good imo - if a top 5 PL club had hired him he's have won a sackful of sausages.

Personally I think he will do well - the main problem he's got to solve are the little lambs in the squad and I think he's just what those softies need.

I just see us winning and people continuing to moan...just because its Allardyce.

Well we had tippy tappy with Hodgson and Iceland beat us.......FFS Iceland.

I disagree of course, but it's all about opinions Asia, let's see how it pans out, if he wins the World Cup i'll be the first to say I got it wrong.

[Stuart]

Just about sums things up, England fans around the country are disgusted and with good reason.

Be interesting to watch this unfold, can Allardyce step up? I think no.

Last poll I saw made it 50/50.

Marmite Sam. At least we won't get platitudes. Personally I'm looking forward to a bit of his arrogance. Hope he gets the results we need.

Those questioning his credentials need to look at what he's done with the hands he has been dealt. He's now working with a free hand. I personally think he deserves his chance, given his consistent featuring in the PL for the past 15 years or so. That makes him one of the top 20 managers in the country and the best, and most consistent, English manager out of them.

Harry Redknapp 2008

Howard Wilkinson 1992

Bobby Robson 1997

Howard Kendall 1985

If you want an English manager, and Redknapp doesn't fit the bill, then there is nobody with any credentials above Big Sam.

[JHRover]

Makes me laugh when the fact that he's never won a major trophy is used against Allardyce.

Which English managers have won a major trophy?

Harry Redknapp who bankrupted Portsmouth to win the FA Cup and is nearly 70?

Pardew? No

Howe? No

Bruce? No

Hoddle? No

Steve McClaren has won more silverware and has a better career win % than all those above, yet he was a complete disaster with England.

Allardyce is by a country mile the most qualified and most suitable candidate for the English job. It should never be given to a foreigner again. It sends completely the wrong message and is a major failure if this country cannot produce its own coaches. I'd sooner we struggle with English managers and coaches and try to produce our own than go and appoint a foreigner like some developing nation with no history of football.

I'm delighted for Big Sam. Its the job he's always wanted and I'm glad the FA have looked past the negative perception of him generated by the likes of Wenger and the national media.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Makes me laugh when the fact that he's never won a major trophy is used against Allardyce.

It's a bizarre argument which seems to completely ignore the vast inequality in the PL that has existed as long as gloryhunters have. TV money balances it out a bit but the annual revenue of the likes of Man U and Arsenal dwarfs most other clubs.

Unless you manage one of the rich kids then (the once in a generation Leicester fluke aside), you're only chance of silverwear is a cup, and even then it's more about getting a lucky run than managerial ability. The only reason Souness won a cup for us and Hughes didn't is because his semi-final (the first point at which you can guarantee the opposition will go all out) was against Sheff Wed and Hughes' were against Arsenal, Man U and Chelsea. Does that make Souness a better manager than Hughes? Not in my book, just luckier.

[matt83]

A bloke at work was saying he only does well with Bolton, rovers, Sunderland, West Ham type lower mid table prem clubs but in international football these days England are that relegation fodder lower mid table @#/? club no matter how much we convince ourselves otherwise.

The football will be grim, really grim, I'm not kidding myself about that but I'll go out on a limb and say he'll be better than any manager had for last 20 years ie a semi final in a major tournament.

[koi]

Sam seems to get something out of average players so might do okay with England.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

I'm not kidding myself about that but I'll go out on a limb and say he'll be better than any manager had for last 20 years ie a semi final in a major tournament.

Not sure he'll do that well myself but he'll be an improvement on the abject, embarassing disgraces of recent tournaments.

He could get us back to the days of regular quarter finals. I could never understand why Erikksen got a rough ride from fans and the media for that back in the day. History as shown they were good finishes for England.

[DE.]

Delighted.

Not sure he'll do that well myself but he'll be an improvement on the abject, embarassing disgraces of recent tournaments.

He could get us back to the days of regular quarter finals. I could never understand why Erikksen got a rough ride from fans and the media for that back in the day. History as shown they were good finishes for England.

Think we had some bad luck under Sven, he did a decent job. Every manager since then has been appalling. Am confident we'll do much better under Big Sam.

[matt83]

At rovers I always thought of Sam as medicine. It may not taste very nice but it's good for you.

People will have reservations and I understand those but in the last 10 years since he was interviewed for the job we've had Steve McClaren: (at the time) the tracksuit manager, up and coming coach, failed. We've had fabio Capello: the authoritarian continental coach who has won everything in the game, failed. We've had Roy Hodgson: the company man, yes man, safe pair of hands, failed. So why not give it to the guy who has had to grunge his way through management, take blows but by and large improved every club from when he found it.

Football has come full circle. We've seen with Spain and arsenal that tippy tappy easy on the eye football no longer seems to work. In the euros we passed from side to side to no purpose. Snooze fest.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Football has come full circle. We've seen with Spain and arsenal that tippy tappy easy on the eye football no longer seems to work. In the euros we passed from side to side to no purpose. Snooze fest.

Indeed, and the finalists France (and arguably best team if it wasn't for Portugal's defence) got great success from knocking it aerially to Giroud who nodded it down to Griezmann. I honestly don't understand why that's not classed as long ball (because I never heard it mentioned) but when Sam does it it is.

[Mike E]

Indeed, and the finalists France (and arguably best team if it wasn't for Portugal's defence) got great success from knocking it aerially to Giroud who nodded it down to Griezmann. I honestly don't understand why that's not classed as long ball (because I never heard it mentioned) but when Sam does it it is.

Exactly. Davies knocking it down to Okocha and Nolan, anyone? Terrific football at times!

[bob fleming]

I disagree of course, but it's all about opinions Asia, let's see how it pans out, if he wins the World Cup i'll be the first to say I got it wrong.

I'll settle for giving the mighty Iceland a game first, not playing a left footed striker on the right wing and playing with a bit of passion and belief. Not changing a winning team when you're trying to build a bit of impetus in a tournament - that'll also be a bonus. If he fares worse than the last fella I'd be amazed.

[Hasta]

I'll settle for giving the mighty Iceland a game first, not playing a left footed striker on the right wing and playing with a bit of passion and belief. Not changing a winning team when you're trying to build a bit of impetus in a tournament - that'll also be a bonus. If he fares worse than the last fella I'd be amazed.

Nail on head post.

Did all these people who whinge about Allardyce style of football watch the games in the last few major tournaments.

[donnermeat]

I disagree of course, but it's all about opinions Asia, let's see how it pans out, if he wins the World Cup i'll be the first to say I got it wrong.

Each to their own and all that of course, though surely a World Cup win can't be the only barometer for a successful appointment? Yes I get football is about winning, it's certainly something that I subscribe to, but heck even getting them playing with passion and fighting til the last minute would be a marked improvement! (Something we haven't seen in 20 years, bar the odd time, Sol Campbell's disallowed goals etc)

I'd take him making us hard to beat, a tough team that work hard and fight tooth and nail for anything, a team that leaves everything on the pitch. A team to be proud of. Where that takes us who knows? We haven't seen qualities like these in the national team this century, they have been real wet lettuces (though not helped of course by being overrated by the media and fans alike). I think Sam is the man to instill these and in doing so, more success on the pitch will follow.

[rigger]

One of Sam's main ways of planning campaigns , has always seemed to be, to target particular games as the ones to win, and not bother to much with the other ones. This is ideal for teams that are not expected to win trophies, but at England level I think, you are expected to win every game. I sincerely hope that he succeeds.