[Archived] Transfers Part 2

[davulsukur]

GK

Steele - £100k

Raya - Academy

DEF

Henley - Academy

Greer - Free

Hoban - Loan

Williams - £250k

Lowe - Academy

Ward - Free

Hendrie - Loan

Nyambe - Academy

Wharton - Academy

Mulgrew - Free

MID

Feeney - Free

Byrne - Loan

Marshall - £1m

Samuelsen - Loan

O'Sullivan - Academy

Akpan - Free

Guthrie - Free

Lenihan - Academy

Tomlinson - Academy

Mahoney - £50k

Evans - £600k

Bennett - £50k

Conway - £100k

FOR

Stokes - Free

Graham - Free

Gallagher - Loan

Emnes - Loan

By my calculations, our current squad cost (without Bonuses, Academy fees etc....)

£2,150,000

In today's market, that's absolutely naff all spend on a player, let alone a full squad. Loans aren't free but i doubt we have paid very much for any of them.

When you chuck in the sales of Hanley, Rhodes and Duffy (£20million? (£5.5m, £4m, £10mish)) it shows a clear "vision" (as FKW would call it) that Venkys are achieving.

Be interesting reading in the next accounts, when does that information get released by the way?

[Pedro]

GK

Steele - £100k

Raya - Academy

DEF

Henley - Academy

Greer - Free

Hoban - Loan

Williams - £250k

Lowe - Academy

Ward - Free

Hendrie - Loan

Nyambe - Academy

Wharton - Academy

Mulgrew - Free

MID

Feeney - Free

Byrne - Loan

Marshall - £1m

Samuelsen - Loan

O'Sullivan - Academy

Akpan - Free

Guthrie - Free

Lenihan - Academy

Tomlinson - Academy

Mahoney - £50k

Evans - £600k

Bennett - £50k

Conway - £100k

FOR

Stokes - Free

Graham - Free

Gallagher - Loan

Emnes - Loan

By my calculations, our current squad cost (without Bonuses, Academy fees etc....)

£2,150,000

The Venky effect.

What's the betting we paid a hell of a lot more in agent fees?

[Neal]

Passionate fans don't give up on the club like our fans have, they don't take the easy option and "boycott" it or stay away from matches in the hope that the club's problems might go away or because actually doing something to save it is too difficult. Passionate fans fight for their club - often literally - like they did in the 1970s when it was clear there were problems in the boardroom with a show of passion like demonstrations on the pitch.

I can't stress how much @#/? this is right here. Totally pig ignorant and shameful.

[den]

So I should stop going because I disagree with the owners decisions? Sorry Den* but I'll make my own mind up on that.

Am I prepared to do something? Yes I am. I'm prepared to still be a supporter when the going gets extremely tough. If that's not getting on with the situation, then what is? There are plenty you'd agree more with who are currently sat twiddling their thumbs every Saturday, boycotting by watching SSN in the pub... Are they prepared to do something?

Or do mean you want me to stop going but moan about those that do on here? That'll make a big difference...

If you mean I could protest them out? Well it hasn't worked yet. Or I could boycott them out? 13,000+ have, they are still here. What could I do that makes a difference?

Walking away makes no difference to the owners but evidently has an impact on transfer business. Just look at Chestons letter about the club being self financing - if they never leave, and the fans never come back, 250k a transfer window might be pie in the sky!

Edit

Den not Gav haha

That just confirms what I said JB. It's your choice entirely, but whatever they do to the club you'll accept it.

I understand it, don't get me wrong.

[Al]

Basically, you're not prepared to do anything about the situation. There are things you could do JB, but you would just say "that won't work". It's your choice, it's everyone's choice, but it just looks to me that you'll go along with anything that the owners do.

I have Jbizzle on ignore but read his post because you quoted it and I must say that for once I fully agree with what he said. I will not be beaten by the Venkys either.

[47er]

I would, with respect, disagree with out on two points 47er. Firstly I don't think we are back to the eighties because I believe both Bob Saxton and Don Mackay were far better managers than Coyle and both had squads of players far superior to what we have now. I think it's nearer the situation that Furphy inherited and turned around in 1971. Sadly, Coyle is no Ken Furphy. Secondly, I still believe you can love the club without having anything but contempt for the owners. I don't see the club and the owners as one of the same. This is still Blackburn Rovers, the same club that was founded in 1875. At the moment we have been hijacked by folk who don't appear to have our best interests at heart. At some point, when it suits them, they will leave and the club will continue, albeit a mere shadow of the club that they bought.

Well, that "moment" has lasted 6 years so far.

11 men running around Ewood in blue and while halved shirts seems enough for you regardless of what is happening to the club in the other 99% of the week. It's not enough for thousands of others.

I admire your loyalty but the longer you keep doing it, the longer it will take before everyone can "pick up the pieces".

That's it, pure and simple for me.

[Pedro]

Calling out people as Venky apologists because they just want to see us do well? It's sickens me.

I hate that too. People who do that are plain thick and have simply lost sight of the bigger picture. Some people even court disaster for the club, that is just idiotic.

Yes it's only opinion but I feel that everybody who cares for this club should have the same desire - a Venkyless Rovers in as good shape (financial and league standing) as possible.

[K-Hod]

My main gripe with this whole situation is, there are far too many talkers and not enough doers.

[DanielMB]

Mulgrew and Emnes??? Its not that they are horrible signings, it just shows us how blatantly unambitious this football club is.

[Gav]

My main gripe with this whole situation is, there are far too many talkers and not enough doers.

The fan base in the main has been embarrassing throughout this entire saga, if the current goings on had been happening down the m65 that place would have been on fire years ago.

The fans in the Darwen End deserve nothing but credit, but the rest of the ground comes and goes to games with a whimper, thats one of the main reasons I stopped going, just embarrassing.

[JBiz]

That just confirms what I said JB. It's your choice entirely, but whatever they do to the club you'll accept it.

I understand it, don't get me wrong.

Whilst our scenario is entirely manufactured, the remit of "support" hasn't changed. Accepting the bad and good is part of being a supporter.

I never have accepted the damage caused, but in reality what difference would it to make to Rovers, going Chorley/Accy instead?

[K-Hod]

The fan base in the main has been embarrassing throughout this entire saga, if the current goings on had been happening down the m65 that place would have been on fire years ago.

The fans in the Darwen End deserve nothing but credit, but the rest of the ground comes and goes to games with a whimper, thats one of the main reasons I stopped going, just embarrassing.

Gav, it's especially true on here. There are loads threatening to do something constantly, but haven't actually taken any action themselves. Yet, they are happy to criticise fans for their inactivity, which I find a bit bizarre and hypocritical to be honest.

[47er]

I totally disagree with your point about supporters. There many, many passionate fans who still follow the club home and away, week in and week out. You may have given up on it jim, but many haven't and that includes those who have decided to boycott.

Your definition of a "passionate fan" is based on how many games they attend, how many miles they travel,how much they spend and how loudly they shout at the game.

That was valid once but in the curent situation, the most passionate fan is one who loves the club AND (not BUT!)won't go.

[1arC]

Well at least Coyle has his ready made excuse. No wonder we lost ................... (Insert name of team), have spent more on their star player, than we have on our entire squad.

[Leonard Venkhater]

Well, that "moment" has lasted 6 years so far.

11 men running around Ewood in blue and while halved shirts seems enough for you regardless of what is happening to the club in the other 99% of the week. It's not enough for thousands of others.

I admire your loyalty but the longer you keep doing it, the longer it will take before everyone can "pick up the pieces".

That's it, pure and simple for me.

To be honest I can relate to that.

If I came home and saw the kids playing FIFA- Rovers against anyone else- I always found myself wanting Rovers to score!...

Paul Lambert was right when he said the club "had been taken to the cleaners". I am just not sure if the tense was correct.

The fans have to share an overall aim here, even if some people are prepared to go further than others to achieve it.

For me, Venky's continue to prove that they are not fit and proper owners. They have not shown due care.

As long as they remain, the situation will only worsen. Therefore, I want them out. For me, that should be the aim. The least we can do is keep drawing attention to our concerns.....

[JBiz]

the most passionate fan is one who loves the club AND (not BUT!)won't go.

All this serves to do is put a huge wedge between supporters!

"I'm the most passionate, no I'm the most passionate, no it's me me me! Come off it."

[Iceman]

bloody hell, i just bought a pizza and a pair of socks that cost more than half of our squad

[47er]

All this serves to do is put a huge wedge between supporters!

"I'm the most passionate, no I'm the most passionate, no it's me me me! Come off it."

I've not put a wedge there, I'm simply responding to the concept that the most passionate fans are those who attend.

[funny-old-game]

Pleased with Emnes signing as we needed another option in attack. Of twelve new signings we have six on loan which rather tells us where the club is heading these days. The Premier League is quickly becoming a dim and distant memory and we have reverted to the club we once were forty-odd years ago. Just hope that Coyle can get enough from his new signings to keep us in the Championship. Now the window has closed the next few months are all about getting results on the pitch. It's crucial that we don't get cut adrift at the bottom.

We are far worse than forty odd years ago! Back when we had people in charge who loved the club and did everything in their powers to run the club in the right way.

[JBiz]

I've not put a wedge there, I'm simply responding to the concept that the most passionate fans are those who attend.

Could you please quote the sentence that states that concept! I must admit 47er, for once I read a post here and spat my coffee out! I think I know what you meant now, not that those who go are passionate, there are plenty who don't go who are still passionate.

End of the day - PB is correct in a sense that when/if new owners come, the more actual attendance and therefore turnover will give us a better chance to return.

[Neal]

Gav, it's especially true on here. There are loads threatening to do something constantly, but haven't actually taken any action themselves. Yet, they are happy to criticise fans for their inactivity, which I find a bit bizarre and hypocritical to be honest.

Depends on what you consider action K-Hod... Some people feel withdrawing their support is a form action, which I think it is but I agree... i think the fan base could be doing more. Personally, when I protest, I do it for my own piece of mind, so I can be at peace with myself that I feel like I've fought for it.

[ABBEY]

Supporters aren't as passionate about Rovers - and it's not just our club, it's true right across football. The atmosphere in grounds is nothing like it used to be. I went to Anfield last season which always used to be a cauldron of noise and was stunned at how quiet it was.

Passionate fans don't give up on the club like our fans have, they don't take the easy option and "boycott" it or stay away from matches in the hope that the club's problems might go away or because actually doing something to save it is too difficult. Passionate fans fight for their club - often literally - like they did in the 1970s when it was clear there were problems in the boardroom with a show of passion like demonstrations on the pitch.

Bracketing those who work at Ewood and Brockhall with Venky's is a bit naughty too - my reference to the people running the club of course referred to the owners, as you well know.

Jog on Jim with your wind up its pathetic!!!

So boycotting is easy and I'm not a passionate fan anymore ? You are talking crap

[Dreams of 1995]

Interesting.

This is a classic denial mechanism-re-defining and ridiculing the victim's reasonable grievance, as something wildly unreasonable.

Sometimes, it is helpful to use a metaphor.

The most "pious person" might go to church every single day, for instance, make a novena every first Friday, say the rosary every night and do lots of work to help the poor, sick and the dying

Someone, who is not pious might skip church, go to bingo on a Friday and not do all that much to help those in need.

But what of someone, who breaks into the church, urinates on the altar, sprays obscenities all over the walls and then sets the place on fire?

What of those, who condone this behaviour?

Just saying........

I'll go back to my point of trivialising the protests. It is what is happening by a section of our fan base. This section are further dividing the fan base and for what reason exactly? The comment I quoted was in response to some fan-mail that began with saying he'd rather "dangle his balls over a scorpions nest than attend a meeting of those Rovers fans". Shocking really. Personally I respond to any Rovers fan I meet in a positive manner, I automatically feel like I have some sort of connection to them. It seems that this isn't something resonated by a portion of fans.

I don't want to keep attacking this blog but it is written by a bloke quickly becoming the cheerleader for the "extreme-pacifists". I call them this because even that section of the fan base has become divided. I know people that won't boycott (please bear in mind that I don't boycott either) that understand entirely the reasons to as why people stay away and empathise with them for it. Likewise, I know people that won't protest because they don't believe it will make a difference but understand and admire those that do. Yet this blog is seeming to fan the waves of a new group: a group that are happy to denounce any active protester as 'brain dead', 'keaners', 'cerebrally challenged', 'lunatic fringe' etc etc and it's being happily received by some - though I doubt the Kean-esque claim of "for every one bit of hate I get dozens more praise" claim.

The apathy shown by the man is alarming. Almost as if we should just deal with it because, surely, we have 'better things to do'. You are right, I do have more in my life than Blackburn Rovers FC but the club has been in my family for 3 generations and I want that to continue a further 3. What I won't accept is that I should roll over and let them continue doing what they are doing because that would make me a 'true fan of the club'. I'm not a lunatic, not brain dead or cerebrally challenged rather a fan of this club that is prepared to act, in defiance, against the powers that have dismantled something I grew up adoring.

I attack the blog because, like all literature, it is the fuel to further support. I am not saying that this division of the fan base are any less worthwhile of an opinion, or indeed should be taken any less seriously, but I am saying they should be challenged. So far we haven't received so much as a reasonable explanation to as why he holds such disdain for anyone he believes to be 'against the club' and this is resonated through a large portion of his readers.

It is all too easy for posters like this to treat protesters with such derision and then fall back onto the victim when responded too. "How dare some 20-nothings say I am not a true fan, I was there when we were bad!", "It is hurtful to insinuate I am not a true supporter, these are only my opinions RESPECT THEM" are the turns of phrases that fans such as this spurt out with such conviction (although, for 'legal purposes' because this division of fan base also seem amazingly quick to threat legal action against anything they consider libelous I should note that they aren't exact quotes but paraphrased). It serves only as an attempt to disparage others to go on the attack suddenly and then display all the characteristics of a victim the moment eyes are on you. One has to question the motive behind such behaviour. Likewise as they find it insulting to have their heart questioned in relation to the football club I find it insulting that they continue to assassinate the characters of those that are willing to not just 'deal with it' and are prepared to commit to action that will rid this club of the cheats and thieves that infest it.

It is this division that is hurting us more than them crooks involved. For the record I'm not asking for everyone to boycott, or not boycott, or for everyone to protest - as the guest writer in the latest Blue Eyed Boy blog wisely said it is possible for fans to mutually agree on an end goal and go about it their different ways. It isn't possible when one section of that movement decide to launch their venomous diatribe against another at any available opportunity.

EDIT: Hahaha, "Keaners" is obviously "F**kers" didn't realise the filter. Sorry to bypass it but felt it needed explaining.

[Gav]

Gav, it's especially true on here. There are loads threatening to do something constantly, but haven't actually taken any action themselves. Yet, they are happy to criticise fans for their inactivity, which I find a bit bizarre and hypocritical to be honest.

With only 15 regular posters on a good day, this site doesn't in any way represent feeling, and should never be used as a benchmark.

Individuals alone can't make a difference, I know I tried, it needs supporters groups voices, thankfully after banging on about it for 2yrs now we've finally got movement in that direction.

[Leonard Venkhater]

Ridiculing the victims reasonable grievance.

That's a great one . Along with twisting to suit own agenda and eventually playing the victim

Funny place that there twitter world...........

Hahaha...much like Boris Johnson said about the ......Hillsborough campaigners!