[Archived] Transfers Part 2

[JBiz]

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[J*B]

Scousers out!!

[Parsonblue]

  On 20/12/2016 at 23:19, JAL said:

Who's his agent ?

Does is really matter? Footballers have agents. They are part and parcel of the game. Lads in Academies up and down the country are signed up with agents as they make their first tentative steps into the professional game. They are part and parcel of the modern game and most do a decent job of looking after the interests of their clients - which is what they are paid to do. Whilst we might not like them - and goodness knows we have more cause than most to dislike them - the fact remains that they have become an integral part of the game and all clubs and all managers have to deal with them.

[ABBEY]

I will you same as chaddy and incur the wrath of mr opposite...

you say about agents "does it really matter"

does it not bother you or matter to you what Anderson and his cronies have and continue to do?

  On 21/12/2016 at 08:23, Jbizzle said:

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[MCMC1875]

  On 21/12/2016 at 08:23, Jbizzle said:

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  On 21/12/2016 at 08:47, J*B said:

Scousers out!!

#VenkysOut

#PashaOut

#SEMOut

#CoyleOut

[JHRover]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/14979245.Wolves_boss_Paul_Lambert_on_speculation_over_January_move_for_Blackburn_Rovers__Ben_Marshall/?ref=mr&lp=5

Telegraph keeping up the good work on behalf of the club. This is the second time this week and the third time in a fortnight that they've run with the Marshall to Wolves story. Meanwhile Coyle's mate Nixon does his bit in the national gossip columns to stir up interest from other clubs.

Anyone would think they're keen to sell players in January.

Why would any club marooned in the bottom 3 staring a catastrophic relegation in the face even consider letting a regular first team player leave in January, especially to a club just above us in the table?

Ah yes, our league position is irrelevant. There is a project taking place here which has been ongoing since the summer of 2015 and our league position/status has nothing to do with it.

[Parsonblue]

  On 21/12/2016 at 09:05, ABBEY said:

I will you same as chaddy and incur the wrath of mr opposite...

you say about agents "does it really matter"

does it not bother you or matter to you what Anderson and his cronies have and continue to do?

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So basically because Coyle used a solicitor rather than an agent that's OK, but if Rowett turned up at Ewood with his agent he'd be shown the door? Agents are part and parcel of the game no matter what we might think of them.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Agents have been in football for ages even at low levels. My wife does English GCSE marking. Quite a few years ago she marked a paper from a lad in a Lancashire school. The question was along the lines of " Write about a big decision you have had to make "

The lad was a goalkeeper with a local club but Spurs had wanted to sign him. His big decision was should stay local or should he move down to London.

In his written piece he mentioned his agent wanted him to move to London but he didn't fancy it. In the end he stayed up North, broke into the first team at the club he was at and he has been around our current level of football for quite a few years now. I've seen him play against Rovers once or twice. He's almost at the veteran stage now.

What amazed me then was that a 15 yr old school boy would already have an agent.

[ABBEY]

  On 21/12/2016 at 10:06, Parsonblue said:

So basically because Coyle used a solicitor rather than an agent that's OK, but if Rowett turned up at Ewood with his agent he'd be shown the door? Agents are part and parcel of the game no matter what we might think of them.

I'm not on about that as you well know .. I'm on about Anderson and co .. deflected like a true venkbeiliver

[Lancaster Rover]

They're actually called Licensed Intermediaries now, quite a lot of them are solicitors as it happens.

[Al]

  On 21/12/2016 at 08:48, Parsonblue said:

Does is really matter? Footballers have agents. They are part and parcel of the game. Lads in Academies up and down the country are signed up with agents as they make their first tentative steps into the professional game. They are part and parcel of the modern game and most do a decent job of looking after the interests of their clients - which is what they are paid to do. Whilst we might not like them - and goodness knows we have more cause than most to dislike them - the fact remains that they have become an integral part of the game and all clubs and all managers have to deal with them.

If the clubs made players pay their own agents like show business agents they would be much less of a drain on football.

[Rover_Shaun]

The penny STILL hasn't dropped? It's frankly stupefying.

[ABBEY]

It's beyond belief

[Athlete]

  On 21/12/2016 at 11:28, Lancaster Rover said:

They're actually called Licensed Intermediaries now, quite a lot of them are solicitors as it happens.

And that's why you have to be careful what you post in the public domain..

As a lot of agents are qualified in sports law or have someone close by who is..

Knowing something and providing proof is a different ball game too something what may occur as maybe it's just a Grey area practice but isn't illegal so too accuse someone or company of something is very very dangerous

[tomphil]

  On 21/12/2016 at 11:28, Lancaster Rover said:

They're actually called Licensed Intermediaries now, quite a lot of them are solicitors as it happens.

Tantric Licensed Intermediaries in some cases. Trained now to cover their own underhand practices and staying one step ahead of the inept, corrupt and completely clueless old boys brigade sometimes known as the FA.

[perthblue02]

  On 21/12/2016 at 12:22, tomphil said:

Tantric Licensed Intermediaries in some cases. Trained now to cover their own underhand practices and staying one step ahead of the inept, corrupt and completely clueless old boys brigade sometimes known as the FA.

Doesn't take much to keep ahead of the doFA -Free Lunch and drinkies -sorted, magic Italian passport no problem

and ABBEY - just get behind the lads Agents FFS

[chor808]

  On 21/12/2016 at 09:44, JHRover said:

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/14979245.Wolves_boss_Paul_Lambert_on_speculation_over_January_move_for_Blackburn_Rovers__Ben_Marshall/?ref=mr&lp=5

Telegraph keeping up the good work on behalf of the club. This is the second time this week and the third time in a fortnight that they've run with the Marshall to Wolves story. Meanwhile Coyle's mate Nixon does his bit in the national gossip columns to stir up interest from other clubs.

Anyone would think they're keen to sell players in January.

Why would any club marooned in the bottom 3 staring a catastrophic relegation in the face even consider letting a regular first team player leave in January, especially to a club just above us in the table?

Ah yes, our league position is irrelevant. There is a project taking place here which has been ongoing since the summer of 2015 and our league position/status has nothing to do with it.

And what will happen when he goes we will hear the same old rubbish 'his head was turned', 'he had already moved', 'should never wear the shirt again', 'glad to see the back' and the best one ever 'We (YES WE) got a good price him!!!!!)'. In fact I think it has been written on here over the last few weeks. Operation dumb down in full effect.

Can anyone tell me if we have replaced any player in the last six years with an upgrade? Rhodes? Anyone else.

If we were mid prem and someone wanted out then fair enough, we are in the bottom three of the champ I'm sure almost every player wants out if they got a better offer, I still can't believe people fall for the 'he wanted away' utter rubbish, the problem is the club, owners, (none) board not the players!

[Mercer]

  On 21/12/2016 at 12:22, Athlete said:

And that's why you have to be careful what you post in the public domain..

As a lot of agents are qualified in sports law or have someone close by who is..

Knowing something and providing proof is a different ball game too something what may occur as maybe it's just a Grey area practice but isn't illegal so too accuse someone or company of something is very very dangerous

Think you will find there is no legal qualification in "sports' law".

You will have solicitors who specialise in both the wider practice area and its constituent parts. "Sports' law" covers a wide area and can be complex including employment law, contract law, competition law and tort - you could even throw intellectual property, privacy and defamation into the mix.

This sort of stuff is for the recognised legal professionals ie law firms.

[RevidgeBlue]

  On 21/12/2016 at 09:44, JHRover said:

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/14979245.Wolves_boss_Paul_Lambert_on_speculation_over_January_move_for_Blackburn_Rovers__Ben_Marshall/?ref=mr&lp=5

Telegraph keeping up the good work on behalf of the club. This is the second time this week and the third time in a fortnight that they've run with the Marshall to Wolves story. Meanwhile Coyle's mate Nixon does his bit in the national gossip columns to stir up interest from other clubs.

Anyone would think they're keen to sell players in January.

Why would any club marooned in the bottom 3 staring a catastrophic relegation in the face even consider letting a regular first team player leave in January, especially to a club just above us in the table?

Ah yes, our league position is irrelevant. There is a project taking place here which has been ongoing since the summer of 2015 and our league position/status has nothing to do with it.

Normally I'd agree with you in principle on this but I think you're making the mistake of mistaking Marshall for one of our best players or someone who is indispensable.

This guy isn't a Shearer or a Duff. Hell he isn't even a Cairney or a Hanley. I see him as an out and out liability. In fact I see no distinction whatsoever between him and Lowe.

Lowe is also what you would describe as a "regular first team player" but surely no-one would be complaining if someone came in and paid 2-3m for him? Even if his replacement wasn't brilliant at worst, it would be a case of replacing one poor player with another and we'd bank some money.

Same applies to Marshall for me.

[Lancaster Rover]

The world of player representation has become much less regulated in the last couple of years, previously you had to front a £100k bond and pass various exams and meet certain qualifying criteria, now, virtually nothing.

[donnermeat]

I hope Marshall stays to the end of the season, simply due to the fact that Venky's/Pasha/Cheston would certainly love to cash in on him.

He's not playing his best football at the moment and there is questions over his attitude. I don't see him doing anything different than he's always done whilst at Ewood in terms of attitude - it's just his dribbles and tricks are coming off less than they were before. This man is the definition of inconsistency so it's hardly surprising to me.

Hold tight until the end of the season Ben! You'll be much better off in the long run!

[Neil Weaver]

So let's be clear here Rev - you reckon there is nothing to choose between Marshall and Lowe?

[JHRover]

  On 21/12/2016 at 13:55, RevidgeBlue said:

Normally I'd agree with you in principle on this but I think you're making the mistake of mistaking Marshall for one of our best players or someone who is indispensable.

This guy isn't a Shearer or a Duff. Hell he isn't even a Cairney or a Hanley. I see him as an out and out liability. In fact I see no distinction whatsoever between him and Lowe.

Lowe is also what you would describe as a "regular first team player" but surely no-one would be complaining if someone came in and paid 2-3m for him? Even if his replacement wasn't brilliant at worst, it would be a case of replacing one poor player with another and we'd bank some money.

Same applies to Marshall for me.

I agree that he's been nowhere near the level he should be this season, however I lay the blame for that at the feet of the club more than the player. The club have made it obvious since last season that they have no serious desire to keep him and are looking to move him on. The repeated news stories last summer were a case of no smoke without fire as attempts were made to encourage someone to bid for him.

The question also has to be asked as to why Lambert and Wolves are supposedly interested in him and are apparently prepared to pay a fee for him in January when he's on a free in the summer. That suggests to me that a clued up manager and a club that means business recognise he has ability in this league.

He's no worldbeater and certainly not in the same ball park as some of those we've seen at Ewood, but I'm almost certain whoever replaces him (if anyone) will be a poorer player and likely won't be ours in any event if the leasing project continues.

Unfortunately I expect that Marshall will follow an all too familiar path we've seen here in recent times where a Rovers player that looks unfit/unmotivated/uninterested and not playing to the levels we know he is capable of, will swiftly move to a Championship rival and start to perform to a much higher standard at a club that treats its players with respect rather than messing them about over a new contract like Rovers have.

I'm afraid gone are the days where I hold players responsible for wanting out. I firmly believe the club is to blame in the majority of cases. Either for allowing contracts to run down (Marshall), not rewarding its better players with improved terms (Gestede), attempting to move players on to rival clubs who don't necessarily want to leave (Cairney) or a combination of those things along with generally being an appalling club to play for with no ambition on a downward spiral. Rather than shrug our shoulders if another player wants to go and play for a rival the club should take a long hard look at itself and assess why this cycle is continuing, but instead they just eagerly accept the cash and move on.

Unfortunately Cheston's modus operandi in these situations is to blame our revenues, club size, FFP and a host of other weary excuses to justify losing our best players. He's got a powerpoint slideshow to show us why, rather than the real reasons which we are all too aware of.

Do I blame Marshall for wanting to go? No.

I do blame the club for creating an environment in which all our best players have systematically either been pushed out the door or have decided to look elsewhere to further their careers to the extent that we're basically a League One club already in all but name.

[RevidgeBlue]

  On 21/12/2016 at 14:20, Neil Weaver said:

So let's be clear here Rev - you reckon there is nothing to choose between Marshall and Lowe?

Marshall has shown intermittent signs of ability in the dim and distant past which far outweigh anything Lowe could muster but that counts for nothing now and on current form I wouldn't say there was anything between them no. In fact I'd say Marshall is the worst of a very bad bunch on current form.

[RevidgeBlue]

  On 21/12/2016 at 14:39, JHRover said:

I agree that he's been nowhere near the level he should be this season, however I lay the blame for that at the feet of the club more than the player. The club have made it obvious since last season that they have no serious desire to keep him and are looking to move him on. The repeated news stories last summer were a case of no smoke without fire as attempts were made to encourage someone to bid for him.

The question also has to be asked as to why Lambert and Wolves are supposedly interested in him and are apparently prepared to pay a fee for him in January when he's on a free in the summer. That suggests to me that a clued up manager and a club that means business recognise he has ability in this league.

He's no worldbeater and certainly not in the same ball park as some of those we've seen at Ewood, but I'm almost certain whoever replaces him (if anyone) will be a poorer player and likely won't be ours in any event if the leasing project continues.

Unfortunately I expect that Marshall will follow an all too familiar path we've seen here in recent times where a Rovers player that looks unfit/unmotivated/uninterested and not playing to the levels we know he is capable of, will swiftly move to a Championship rival and start to perform to a much higher standard at a club that treats its players with respect rather than messing them about over a new contract like Rovers have.

I'm afraid gone are the days where I hold players responsible for wanting out. I firmly believe the club is to blame in the majority of cases. Either for allowing contracts to run down (Marshall), not rewarding its better players with improved terms (Gestede), attempting to move players on to rival clubs who don't necessarily want to leave (Cairney) or a combination of those things along with generally being an appalling club to play for with no ambition on a downward spiral. Rather than shrug our shoulders if another player wants to go and play for a rival the club should take a long hard look at itself and assess why this cycle is continuing, but instead they just eagerly accept the cash and move on.

Unfortunately Cheston's modus operandi in these situations is to blame our revenues, club size, FFP and a host of other weary excuses to justify losing our best players. He's got a powerpoint slideshow to show us why, rather than the real reasons which we are all too aware of.

Do I blame Marshall for wanting to go? No.

I do blame the club for creating an environment in which all our best players have systematically either been pushed out the door or have decided to look elsewhere to further their careers to the extent that we're basically a League One club already in all but name.

Once again I agree with everything you say in principle regarding the other players but I think Marshall is hugely overrated, a liability as opposed to an asset and if we can get a decent fee for him it would be a result.

In reality if he was any good he'd have been snapped up long before now and we'll probably only get a smallish fee for him because he has refused to sign a new deal and has been so poor so long.