[Archived] Transfers Part 2

[JAL]

exactly. Most footballers and sport players have agents now. Not saying its right but they are part of the game and most do a decent job.

We all now what certain agents did at Rovers in the past. has I said earlier this week/late last week but what does that have to do with Scott Hogan's attributes as a player as that what I was talking about before Jal asked who his agent is.

so Jal, why did you keep asking who is agent? clearly you know something but you don't post what you s

It's time for more transparency in football where agents are concerned chaddy.

Almost everyone has an agent in football so what with around sixty in coming players at first team level at Rovers in just the last three and half years whilst performances have deteriorated on the pitch it's only right that the fans ask which agent or agency influences that player.

It would make interesting reading as it's these guys that are running football to an extent with player movement.

[Bucksrover]

I would be looking at bringing in Fulham midfielder Ryan Tunnicliffe. Out of contract in the summer

He is box to box midfielder and would be deffo starter in my team if sign.

Really rated Tunnicliffe when he was with us. Was gutted when he went back!

So Giles Barnes is the next laugh the agents have at our expense. They are not even being subtle about it anymore. Hope the cruel circus ends soon - wherever the club has to start from

[JHRover]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/14984017.Blackburn_Rovers_boss_Owen_Coyle_yet_to_receive_offer_for_Ben_Marshall/

Story number 3 for the week and counting from the pot stirrers at the LT. One last BIG push over Xmas to get the deal done and then its another successful transfer window all round.

Incomings? Don't waste your time thinking about Championship quality signings. The best we'll be getting in January are a couple of loans using the Marshall money, and those will be in the last few days of the window when the loaning clubs are happy to release their unwanted players for the rest of the season. By that time the gap will likely be too big to recover from anyway.

[Stuart]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/14984017.Blackburn_Rovers_boss_Owen_Coyle_yet_to_receive_offer_for_Ben_Marshall/

Story number 3 for the week and counting from the pot stirrers at the LT. One last BIG push over Xmas to get the deal done and then its another successful transfer window all round.

Incomings? Don't waste your time thinking about Championship quality signings. The best we'll be getting in January are a couple of loans using the Marshall money, and those will be in the last few days of the window when the loaning clubs are happy to release their unwanted players for the rest of the season. By that time the gap will likely be too big to recover from anyway.

Don't be so negative. We've been linked with a £9m-rated player and Venkys can sanction any move they want.

I can hear Owen now, on Feb 1st, "that's a fantastic window for us, we've done were business well and we've got a squad that can compete in this division".

Did I say Owen? So why did I hear all that in a Steve voice?

[JHRover]

Notice how the pot-stirrers at the Telegraph have failed to produce the names of any potential additions to the squad in January, instead focusing all their energies on the Marshall out project.

The club are spoonfeeding them stories to suit their selling agenda whilst dropping not too subtle hints that business the other way will be limited to loans.

I can hear Owen on February 1st: "there was nothing we could do with Ben. We offered him a very good deal but he wouldn't sign it. The player holds all the power in these situations and the club was powerless to do anything. In those conditions the best the club can do is ensure that it gets the best deal for him. There's no ill-feeling there. He leaves with our best wishes. He was always a good lad on the training ground".

Of course conveniently overlooking that it was September in the final year of his deal before the club could even be bothered to think about the subject of a new deal.

Meanwhile Wolves or whoever go on to retain Championship status whilst we are condemned to League One.

[jim mk2]

Notice how the pot-stirrers at the Telegraph have failed to produce the names of any potential additions to the squad in January, instead focusing all their energies on the Marshall out project.

The club are spoonfeeding them stories to suit their selling agenda whilst dropping not too subtle hints that business the other way will be limited to loans.

I can hear Owen on February 1st: "there was nothing we could do with Ben. We offered him a very good deal but he wouldn't sign it. The player holds all the power in these situations and the club was powerless to do anything. In those conditions the best the club can do is ensure that it gets the best deal for him. There's no ill-feeling there. He leaves with our best wishes. He was always a good lad on the training ground".

Of course conveniently overlooking that it was September in the final year of his deal before the club could even be bothered to think about the subject of a new deal.

Meanwhile Wolves or whoever go on to retain Championship status whilst we are condemned to League One.

Why do you continually criticise the LET ? The club may or may not be giving it a steer on what's happening but don't you realise there might be a grain of truth in what they're saying? If you want "happy news" fliers on players who might be coming with a 100-1 chance that one of them might be true you should stick to the many tuppence halfpenny websites that can be easily found on the internet.

[JHRover]

Why do you continually criticise the LET ? The club may or may not be giving it a steer on what's happening but don't you realise there might be a grain of truth in what they're saying? If you want "happy news" fliers on players who might be coming with a 100-1 chance that one of them might be true you should stick to the many tuppence halfpenny websites that can be easily found on the internet.

Because I'm tired of the club attempting to offload our better players every transfer window and I'm tired of the Telegraph printing the same story every week that actually helps them to achieve this. It helps them because other clubs and fans around the country think they are 'in the loop' and therefore think the player is available and ready for transfer. It unsettles the player in question who subsequently has to deal with rumour and speculation and questions about their future. They did it with Gestede, Rhodes, Hanley, Duffy and many more on top of that. In the weeks before and during every transfer window they've 'linked' our best players with moves to rival clubs and rarely has this been based on anything other than 'rumour' in the national papers.

Its easy and its lazy to simply repeat the same story every week. How about something different for a change? How about putting some pressure on the manager/club, some research into the ownership/Pasha/finances, some real news about transfer targets we're after?

You refer to tuppence halfpenny websites, yet because it seems that the sole basis of the much loved Marshall to Wolves transfer rumour is none other than the master of transfer gossip Alan Nixon writing in his halfpenny rag paper. The Telegraph have done no real journalism themselves and have merely grasped what amounted to 3 lines of gossip in Nixon's column and turned it into something much bigger by creating 3 days worth of headlines out of it.

I believe they should be doing more and taking the club to task more.

[Lancaster Rover]

Paying a fee or not is totally misleading, clubs barely look at the fee, the figure that clubs use is the total lifetime transfer figure, which includes full cost of the contract, etc. There was a really interesting article on sporting intelligence that debunked the net spend theory and gave a thesis size article on how transfers are accounted for. I get the feeling the total cost of some of our signings (free's) will still be staggeringly high, when you put in wages, bonuses, agents fees, loyalty fees, image fees.

[jim mk2]

Because I'm tired of the club attempting to offload our better players every transfer window and I'm tired of the Telegraph printing the same story every week that actually helps them to achieve this. It helps them because other clubs and fans around the country think they are 'in the loop' and therefore think the player is available and ready for transfer. It unsettles the player in question who subsequently has to deal with rumour and speculation and questions about their future.

You're blaming the messenger instead of the message. It's not the LET's fault the club is in such a state.

[chaddyrovers]

JH, There is a story on potential incomings in tomorrow paper. dont know if any names are in the story.

I asked the Rovers LT Reporter about incomings to Rovers

[tomphil]

The LT reporter said transfer news on Saturday i think, as in speculation. Likely only to be Barnes and that Ba as these are the names that have been around since summer. Coyle and the cronies obviously want them and they are probably primed and ready it's just a matter of getting the finance ok

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Paying a fee or not is totally misleading, clubs barely look at the fee, the figure that clubs use is the total lifetime transfer figure, which includes full cost of the contract, etc. There was a really interesting article on sporting intelligence that debunked the net spend theory and gave a thesis size article on how transfers are accounted for. I get the feeling the total cost of some of our signings (free's) will still be staggeringly high, when you put in wages, bonuses, agents fees, loyalty fees, image fees.

Loyalty fees ! What a joke.

[JHRover]

You're blaming the messenger instead of the message. It's not the LET's fault the club is in such a state.

I know that, it doesn't mean I can't criticise the way they are handling the situation and believe they could handle things differently.

[Stuart]

I know that, it doesn't mean I can't criticise the way they are handling the situation and believe they could handle things differently.

100%. The should be challenging the club about what they are doing to the club and what they should be doing.

What are Venkys plans? What is Pasha's remit? Will there be more cuts? If they don't get answers to these questions then they shouldn't just stop asking!

The LT are not 'the messenger' or the club's mouthpiece. Matchday programmes and the club's website are supposed to do that. The LT should be reporting on the rights and wrongs of events important to the people of East Lancashire. Continually printing stories linking our players with moves away are lazy and insulting giving the bigger picture. Can you imagine the Coventry local paper doing the same?

[Lancaster Rover]

I think we are all putting a bit too much stock in local journalism, it is a dying news form. The quality of the staff reflects that.

[Stuart]

I think we are all putting a bit too much stock in local journalism, it is a dying news form. The quality of the staff reflects that.

Self-defeating. Set low expectations, achieve low standards.

[jim mk2]

I think we are all putting a bit too much stock in local journalism, it is a dying news form. The quality of the staff reflects that.

Exactly the point. The LET sports "desk" probably consists of one man and his dog these days. The internet has destroyed local newspapers' business model - much to the detriment of local democracy - to the extent papers are shadows of their former selves with "staff" to match. Editorial teams have been slashed and production moved to south Wales - which is why there are so many mistakes.

Expecting the LET to get to the bottom of the goings-on at Rovers is unrealistic. The days of "scoops" are largely over because of social media and citizens journalism. The Rovers "news" - such as it - reflects this.

The people criticising the LET are probably the ones who no longer buy a copy these days.

[chaddyrovers]

I think we are all putting a bit too much stock in local journalism, it is a dying news form. The quality of the staff reflects that.

Local journalism has gone. With social media and so many football websites out there now, the local reporters have gone.

[G Somerset Rover]

Fear not guys - Venkys have never refused to sign off a cheque. Where's the guy gone off here who constantly claimed that cracker? Mani from memory.

[JAL]

JH, There is a story on potential incomings in tomorrow paper. dont know if any names are in the story.

I asked the Rovers LT Reporter about incomings to Rovers

Does the LT name the agent and agency involved along with players in these transactions or is it secret men for undisclosed deals with the incompetent positioned manager giving his blessing ?

Let's hope that Jason Lowe can secure a free transfer to Burnley along with Feeney, Dope Akpan, conman Guthrie and a few others.

[chaddyrovers]

Does the LT name the agent and agency involved along with players in these transactions or is it secret men for undisclosed deals with the incompetent positioned manager giving his blessing ?

Why dont you name them if you know instead?

I dont know why you reply to my post about social media to your post about agents?

[RoverCanada]

Paying a fee or not is totally misleading, clubs barely look at the fee, the figure that clubs use is the total lifetime transfer figure, which includes full cost of the contract, etc. There was a really interesting article on sporting intelligence that debunked the net spend theory and gave a thesis size article on how transfers are accounted for. I get the feeling the total cost of some of our signings (free's) will still be staggeringly high, when you put in wages, bonuses, agents fees, loyalty fees, image fees.

Care to share a link?

That's something I've noticed. So much focus seems to be on what transfer fees are spent, but those (tend to be) one-off things. Picking up players' wages (plus bonuses, etc.) for multiple years is where the real cost outlay comes in. Best, for example, was a £2M fee, but I think his final cost to Rovers has been quoted at £10M... Add in all the other pay-offs we've done (Pedersen, Givet, Goodwillie, Vukcevic, Linganzi, Gomes, Murphy, a few of those Portuguese lads, Etuhu, Campbell, Slew, Orr, Kean...)... Paying those off, plus the wages of the actual playing squad... I for one haven't been too shocked by our debt figures.

[tomphil]

Fear not guys - Venkys have never refused to sign off a cheque. Where's the guy gone off here who constantly claimed that cracker? Mani from memory.

He should be about again soon always seems to pop up around window time then disappear again. Usually to prime us for the sale of a decent player then chuck a few names about for incomings that never actually arrive. Hmm.....

[Iceman]

Not even interested anymore.

[ABBEY]

Why dont you name them if you know instead?

I dont know why you reply to my post about social media to your post about agents?

why don't you name how you know pasha was at the last games?