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[Archived] Transfers Part 2

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So the story now rolls round the Jason Lowe, love him or not captain of the club out of contract in six months and this morning we get the same old lines.

"Jason is one that I would like to keep at the club, that goes without saying.

Hes comfortable here, he likes Blackburn Rovers, hes invested in the club, and its very simple.

We want him here as a club and Im sure in time its something we can get sorted and resolved in time."

Again he gets some stick but he is 25 club captain first team regular but has not been offered a new deal, bizarre!!

I said this recently. Club captain, England u21 caps galore and PL experience, surely there would be some saleable worth with him but the suits at Ewood and lunatics in Pune are running the risk of him walking for next to nothing in six moths. I think there would be some compensation due should he leave, maybe they are banking on this.

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So the story now rolls round the Jason Lowe, love him or not captain of the club out of contract in six months and this morning we get the same old lines.

"Jason is one that I would like to keep at the club, that goes without saying.

Hes comfortable here, he likes Blackburn Rovers, hes invested in the club, and its very simple.

We want him here as a club and Im sure in time its something we can get sorted and resolved in time."

Again he gets some stick but he is 25 club captain first team regular but has not been offered a new deal, bizarre!!

Probably not as simple as that. Lowe will be on a lot of money, up there with the highest paid at the club. If, as is entirely plausible, he is on £20k-25k per week then there's no point offering him one for £10k which is probably what an average Championship midfielder is on. At some Championship clubs he's be offered less than that. So, if his reps had prelim discussions with the club and he said he wanted near the £20k per week again then obviously they aren't going to offer him a contract only for him to publicly turn it down.

For reference Jordan Slew was given £10k a week around the same time as Lowe was signing his last multi-year deal.

Then again, Venky's probably just can't be arsed ringing his agent.

If we can get better on a free at the end of the season and they don't want silly wages then he's no great loss.

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I said this recently. Club captain, England u21 caps galore and PL experience, surely there would be some saleable worth with him but the suits at Ewood and lunatics in Pune are running the risk of him walking for next to nothing in six moths. I think there would be some compensation due should he leave, maybe they are banking on this.

not sure you get compensation for 25 year olds?

Lowe will probably be offered a deal as close to the new season as possible so he's cheaper. If he goes that's another wage off the books for Venky's. We'll then get someone on loan and pay 10% of his wages. Win-win-win for our owners. We'll eventaully end up with no saleable player assets. We aren't far away now. Then the 'fun' really begins. :(

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I said this recently. Club captain, England u21 caps galore and PL experience, surely there would be some saleable worth with him but the suits at Ewood and lunatics in Pune are running the risk of him walking for next to nothing in six moths. I think there would be some compensation due should he leave, maybe they are banking on this.

Unfortunately in this case you give the lunes too much credit, not a penny of compensation would be due as only players under the age of 24 trigger compensation for the club. Lowe is 25. I would guess he is one of the highest paid at the club, talks should have been held last summer re: new deal and if he wanted too much cash try to sell and as you say we would have at least got some money for him.

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not sure you get compensation for 25 year olds?

Lowe will probably be offered a deal as close to the new season as possible so he's cheaper. If he goes that's another wage off the books for Venky's. We'll then get someone on loan and pay 10% of his wages. Win-win-win for our owners. We'll eventaully end up with no saleable player assets. We aren't far away now. Then the 'fun' really begins. :(

I honestly don't know how it works but I recall somewhere that a club were paid compensation because they bought the player through their Academy. It was almost recompense for the expense they incurred but I haven't a clue when the becomes invalid.

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A nagging part of me does always come back to thinking Jason Lowe is on far more than we could ever have guessed/worried. If he was to leave before the end of his contract somebody would have to marry up the fee between his pay here and his pay at his new club until the end of his Rovers contract.

I always remember Givet turning down a few moves due to us and his new clubs being poles apart when trying to marry up his wages between our big pay and his new smaller pay.

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Ashley @#/? Barnes and some no mark from France. Fantastic. Perhaps they'll be good enough for League 1?

You know what DE, if this was Souey or Hughes signing this Ba guy, I would not be upset about it. We saw how good Samba and Nelsen were. But because it's Coyle, I'm terrified

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Nailed it- the only constant is SEM in the background.

I can smell the stink from thousands of miles away.

Anyway, glad I put the jinx on dingles getting Snodgrass.

If only there had been a FA man at the club that somehow survived the Venky's/Sem/Kentaro planned cull

BBC reporter tweeting Marshall to Wolves nowhere near, Wolves happy to wait until summer

https://twitter.com/patmurphybbc/status/824733211880255492

Kenny Senior will not be popular if the Marshall deal doesnt get over the line before he can leave on a free

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With Ba it sounds like a shop window job, come in and do well he'll be gone as soon as an offer comes in if vested interest parties sniff a % from sell ons. I hope if he comes he does the job but it's a risk and right now we shouldn't be gambling signing guys who might be worth a few quid in 12 months we need a few guys for the job in hand even if they are loans.

So really the free transfer is a glorified loan, no upfront fee, rovers pay the wages but the proceeds of any sale are split. Slightly more risk as Rovers hold the registration (assuming its not a third party ownership!), but in essence the club is becoming a showroom for used players........."low mileage, three previous owners, good runner. Yours for a monkey, plus commission"

That's exactly the way it'll be set up and why the club is at least 50% just an agents vehicle. Just look at the 2 French lads brought in (and i say brought in) under Bowyer, a few games with no real telling contribution to the team and one goes out for several hundred grand more than he came in.

It's all well and good if it works out but it's not being done for football reasons nothing is at Ewood under this regime. The club is owned by a holding company which is ironic because it seems nothing more than a holding company itself for players to tread water for a season or two whilst their value increases.

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Wolves threatening to leave it until the summer is probably a bargaining chip to force Rovers to reduce their asking price. I've said it until blue in the face there's no way Wolves or any other club will be offering millions for Marshall when they can get him for nothing in a few months. Anyone with any sense knows it and if you believe Nixon's nonsense about £1.85 million or £2 million you really need a reality check.

He might have been worth that last summer and that might be what Venkys in their deluded warped world think they should be getting for him, but the reality is very different as we are going to find out. Senior was probably recruited to handle negotiations with the likes of Wolves and bring his 'expertise' to the table and in doing so get deals done quicker and with a greater financial reward for Venkys. They've probably been getting concerned that Charlie Cheston and Pasha between them actually aren't fit to hold the position they do and for a club so keen to sell everyone and pocket the cash you really need someone in position who is an 'expert' in the field and can handle the market.

I'd still expect the deal with Marshall do be done on Monday or Tuesday. That way any incomings are impossible. Wolves will probably table a take it or leave it £300k offer at the 11th hour which is loose change to clubs with ambition who actually invest money rather than pretend to invest whilst just paying the bills. Venkys will accept this bid rather than nothing in a few months. Overall it will get them about £500k so job's a good one.

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Given how many out-of-contract players have already reportedly gone for multi-million £ transfers this window, I don't see why it's so ridiculous that Marshall will go for £1m+. Hell, we reportedly got £750k-£1M for Olsson last year and Lambert was quick to tout the fee we got for him in the media.

Now, I'm sure someone will point out to me in caps lock the word 'reportedly'... but that kinda implies not believing every transfer fee reported ever (which is fair enough I suppose)

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Rovers will be waiting to see which division we're in next season, before offering Lowe a new contract. He will be on big wages. Isn't there a ruling that says if a club offers a player less money, the player can leave for free? If that's so, I just can't see him being here next year.

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Marshall goes, no signings but Lowe gets a new contract instead. That'd go down well :o

Chestons next powerpoint telling us they've invested several million into this lad because he's a Rover through and through and might be worth 5 mill in 18 months........

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Nailed it- the only constant is SEM in the background.

I can smell the stink from thousands of miles away.

Anyway, glad I put the jinx on dingles getting Snodgrass.

I'm not one to look for excuses concerning our owners and their associates, but isn't this simply how clubs operates these days? Scouting networks are expensive, laborious and gets torn down regularly as managers are sacked and the new ones want to bring their people in, it's much cheaper, quicker, and easier to snag a few brown envelopes by keeping close contacts with agents/agencies instead.

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You know what DE, if this was Souey or Hughes signing this Ba guy, I would not be upset about it. We saw how good Samba and Nelsen were. But because it's Coyle, I'm terrified

Absolutely, plus the fact that this guy has apparently been available on a "free transfer" for a while now and apparently nobody except us is interested. If a player is openly available for this long and has no other interest then you can safely assume he's not up to much (or his agents are ensuring he goes somewhere specifically...)

Would people want Lowe with us in league 1?

Must be around his level?

Just thinking that if he goes, anyone else who comes in to replace him would probably be at league 2 level.

I'd be quite happy to never seen Lowe in our shirt again. That said, he probably would be adequate in League One and below. Chances are another lower Championship team will take him on as a squad player though.

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