[Archived] Transfers Part 2

[Tom]

Jack Byrne to Wigan is interesting, talent but not sure how he fits into a system.

Tonight is depressing, we just aren't a normal club when was the last time we signed a player for cash from another team. To go further when was the last time we signed a player a club would have liked to have kept?

Feel like it doesn't matter if we go down this year or not it's now a case of when and not if.

[Neal]

Just now, Tom said:

Jack Byrne to Wigan is interesting, talent but not sure how he fits into a system.

Tonight is depressing, we just aren't a normal club when was the last time we signed a player for cash from another team. To go further when was the last time we signed a player a club would have liked to have kept?

Feel like it doesn't matter if we go down this year or not it's now a case of when and not if.

You're getting it Tom, NOTHING matters whilst they are here anymore.

[Dr Awesome]

6 minutes ago, spencey7 said:

Efe Ambrose is quite literally one of the the worst centre-backs ever watched in person. (See his calamity reels on YouTube.) If he comes in, we're down.

Strongly disagree. He's a reasonable defender/defensive mid who has had a lot of issues with confidence in the last couple of years. It's easy to forget that he was part of the defence that beat Barcelona and qualified for the last sixteen of the Champions League. If we have signed him and he can play like he did before Juventus @#/? him up, he could be a useful asset.

Source - semi-regular at Celtic Park.

[KyleBRFC]

Just now, Dr Awesome said:

Strongly disagree. He's a reasonable defender/defensive mid who has had a lot of issues with confidence in the last couple of years. It's easy to forget that he was part of the defence that beat Barcelona and qualified for the last sixteen of the Champions League. If we have signed him and he can play like he did before Juventus @#/? him up, he could be a useful asset.

Source - semi-regular at Celtic Park.

Yeah I was wondering whether this was the guy who played against Barca but didnt know if i was right, pretty sure at the time the commentators saying he had a massive future ahead and whatnot but thoguht surely it wasnt him the way people have been speaking about him on here and social media, hopefully he can re-discover hes form here but then again he has old Coyley leading him

[Dr Awesome]

Just now, KyleBRFC said:

Yeah I was wondering whether this was the guy who played against Barca but didnt know if i was right, pretty sure at the time the commentators saying he had a massive future ahead and whatnot but thoguht surely it wasnt him the way people have been speaking about him on here and social media, hopefully he can re-discover hes form here but then again he has old Coyley leading him

Everything went tits up for him when he got back from AFCON and Neil Lennon decided it would be a good idea to play him in the Champions League against Juventus. He had a nightmare and his confidence never recovered. He definitely has clangers in him but there's good in there as well. Maybe he can do a job here.

 

Of course, maybe he'll be absolute turd. We'll see. I hope I'm right about him.

[KyleBRFC]

Just now, Dr Awesome said:

Everything went tits up for him when he got back from AFCON and Neil Lennon decided it would be a good idea to play him in the Champions League against Juventus. He had a nightmare and his confidence never recovered. He definitely has clangers in him but there's good in there as well. Maybe he can do a job here.

 

Of course, maybe he'll be absolute turd. We'll see. I hope I'm right about him.

Hopefully, the same with Samba to me he always had a clanger in him but 90% of the time he was top quality. 

Im just worried now for next season whether we stay up or not we're screwed the amount of loans we have, if we stay up we will go down next season. if we do the same as this season. We'll also struggle in league 1, hard times ahead :/

[A cup of beans]

16 minutes ago, Dr Awesome said:

Strongly disagree. He's a reasonable defender/defensive mid who has had a lot of issues with confidence in the last couple of years. It's easy to forget that he was part of the defence that beat Barcelona and qualified for the last sixteen of the Champions League. If we have signed him and he can play like he did before Juventus @#/? him up, he could be a useful asset.

Source - semi-regular at Celtic Park.

Valued opinions. Easy to take the p.iss and dismiss, but... if he's a confidence player, he's made a bad decision in choosing to play for us.

[AllRoverAsia]

So Ambrose is now a confidence type player who has lost it playing at  a club who win most of their games in a not very competitive league.  He's now expected to regain it immediately and perform well at Rovers in a very competitive league in a relegation dogfight.

Aint gonna happen.......and that prediction ignores playing at a totally dysfunctional club amd coached by a Dingle retarded chimphead.  Do Rovers do defensive coaching these days? 

 

[Dr Awesome]

Err, no. Simply making the point that he's not the nailed on disaster that people seem to think he is, and a fresh start at Ewood might do him a bit of good as he's lost his way at Parkhead. It's still not been confirmed that he's signed yet and he's being shat on from all angles, for God's sake.

[KyleBRFC]

Just now, Dr Awesome said:

Err, no. Simply making the point that he's not the nailed on disaster that people seem to think he is, and a fresh start at Ewood might do him a bit of good as he's lost his way at Parkhead. It's still not been confirmed that he's signed yet and he's being shat on from all angles, for God's sake.

its the typical Rovers fan mentality same with our own, always have to have a scapegoat the amount of our own players the fans have given stick to abused, boo'ed in the past is unreal, dont understand why you would boo your own players it achieves feck all other than low confidence, lets hope if/when he signs the fans give the guy a chance

[Neal]

Just now, KyleBRFC said:

its the typical Rovers fan mentality same with our own, always have to have a scapegoat the amount of our own players the fans have given stick to abused, boo'ed in the past is unreal, dont understand why you would boo your own players it achieves feck all other than low confidence, lets hope if/when he signs the fans give the guy a chance

Whilst i've never booed anyone but Steve Kean... Personally think almost every player at the club could be a scaoegoat because they're a bag of @#/?, signed by a more offensive smelling bag of @#/?. Every player down there will be given more of a chance than ever before to perform because there's very little pressure... Due to no atmosphere and low attendances.

That aside it doesn't matter who fathead signs because the bigger picture is we're @#/? whilst Venkys remain in control, we are never moving forward...  EVER and a bunch of mercenaries signing cannot rectify that. Boggles the mind that people can focus on this bullshit and not stand together for one single protest... That's "your typical Rovers mentality" right there. 

[KyleBRFC]

Just now, Neal said:

Whilst i've never booed anyone but Steve Kean... Personally think almost every player at the club could be a scaoegoat because they're a bag of @#/?, signed by a more offensive smelling bag of @#/?. Every player down there will be given more of a chance than ever before to perform because there's very little pressure... Due to no atmosphere and low attendances.

That aside it doesn't matter who fathead signs because the bigger picture is we're @#/? whilst Venkys remain in control, we are never moving forward...  EVER and a bunch of mercenaries signing cannot rectify that. Boggles the mind that people can focus on this bullshit and not stand together for one single protest... That's "your typical Rovers mentality" right there. 

Oh no I agree we are s**t but booing the players on the field achieves in my opinion nothing, best thing to do is get behind the players on the pitch, I cant stand Coyle and havent been to a game since we appointed him and wont do till him and venkys are gone now, but theres plenty of players have been hounded in the recent past (Pedersen and Andrews are two I can clearly remember theres plenty more but its too late for thinking) just for playing a bad pass then for the rest of the match you can tell they're nervous and look like they dont want the ball, what really irks me is the criticism of the young players who are trying to learn their trade on the pitch and it does nothing to them but destroy their confidence.

 

And i agree with you the fans need to stand together and unite for one massive protest but for some reason or other its not happening and it really gets on my nerves as I dont think we'll be taken seriously until everyone stands together! 

[perthblue02]

4 hours ago, Dr Awesome said:

Strongly disagree. He's a reasonable defender/defensive mid who has had a lot of issues with confidence in the last couple of years. It's easy to forget that he was part of the defence that beat Barcelona and qualified for the last sixteen of the Champions League. If we have signed him and he can play like he did before Juventus @#/? him up, he could be a useful asset.

Source - semi-regular at Celtic Park.

Was also part of the defence that got beat off Lincoln Red imps the part time Gibraltor team, theres a good picture of him on the link below being outfoxed by a 34 year old Ministry of defence policeman for the goal

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36761213

Source match report and watching it on bein sports at the time

 

3-2 defeat with OG , looking like a good go to bet for the rest of the season,  Hope I'm wrong but might as well try to make some cash out of the club, every bugger else is

 

 

[blue kiwi]

my heart is breaking time for a beer

[Stuart]

9 hours ago, eddy11d said:

They are losing their money either way. If they can get someone to take on a fraction of the debt, that would be better than putting us into administration and not getting any of their money back wouldn't it?

The still owe money to others and there is a massive deficit that can no longer be covered by player sales. They are alleged to want upwards of £100m to sell. The only alternative to admin is literally closing the club down. Let's hope the RoversTrust have a rabbit up their sleeve when it comes to discussing Rovers' football league share if / when that happens.

6 hours ago, gumboots said:

If only the lottery numbers were as easy to predict as our transfer policy under this lot.

It's gone exactly as predicted. Marshall has been leaving since well before the window yet it went to the last minute before we got the cash so we couldn't spend it to strength. Still, at least we can "keep our powder dry until the Summer - player prices are alway inflated in January".

6 hours ago, Baz said:

Quotes from Ben Marshall in LT suggest he hasn't been training with the squad for the last few weeks.

Forced out?

As for all the attitude stinks stuff, I'm amazed that people still buy that rubbish. Couldname around a dozen top pro's forced out of the club in the past few years with 'attitude' issues. 

Of course, Marshall need to be seen as the bad guy. You'd think there would be no-one fooled by this any more but there are still people who will blame Marshall.  

[davulsukur]

And the former Leicester City man added: “I’m looking forward to getting back out there on the pitch but I’ve not been in training for a couple of weeks now.

 

Does anyone train under our fraud of a manager? Or is it just doughnuts and header tennis?

[RoverCanada]

9 hours ago, JHRover said:

So if Marshall really has been sold for the £2 million circulated by some, which  other out of contract Championship players have gone for that amount or more this window? 

I'm not aware of any to reach that fee recently.

Of course I've got no evidence. Just like the media boys have no evidence other than what they are told on the grapevine by their contacts who usually have an interest in a certain fee or line of info going public. 

It's not really that much of a conspiracy. Rovers and Wolves announce it as 'undisclosed' whilst managers/agents/club employees drip feed info to local reporters to suit their agendas.

Why would Wolves go to that figure for such an inconsistent player who they could pick up for nothing in 4 months? 

Which is more likely here? That Wolves have suddenly come up with the cash and paid the inflated fee and Venky's hardline negotiations have won the day for the betterment of BRFC, or that Rovers have realised its a toss up between whatever they can get now or nothing in a few months? Given Rovers record over the last few months of sell whoever they can as quickly as they can often for less than they could have got (Cairney, Gestede) I'll put my money on the latter.

So, to answer my question, yes, it's all conjecture on your part. Hence my confusion that you're so headstrong about something you have literally no evidence for. You've seemingly independently decided that out-of-contract players are worth no more than £300k, which had me wondering if you've worked on club accounts before or have had first hand experience in such dealings.

Perhaps a rewording: you're actually arguing football clubs are spending money in a sensible fashion. I have my doubts

Especially when Championship clubs have started to regularly break £10M in their transfer fees, £1.5M is a drop in the bucket. As mentioned above, both Lansbury and Hourihane's deals in this window have been quoted at £3M. Olsson's sale last year (with Lambert at the helm, and he was sure to mention in the press he was happy with the fee we got) was reported at £750k-£1M. Footballers are expensive buggers!

Not sure it was you, but someone mentioned Wolves wouldn't care if the reported fee is inflated... after Lambert specifically went to the press grandstanding that Wolves wouldn't be taken advantage of? If £1.5M is such an embarrassingly high fee (and I'd argue it's really not), wouldn't he want to speak up in his defence now? Are Wolves fans shouting about how inflated the fee was?

And it's not just 5 months of Marshall. They've also tied him down to a long-term contract before any other club had a shot at him when his contract expires. You see players in North American sports now traded for such negotiation windows.

Re: Cairney and Gestede, well Gestede was just sold again for £6M and had been kicking up a fuss in the press for some time when we sold him. Cairney... I do recall lots of bickering of whether we got £3M-£4M for him. And now you're the one believing media reports if you think he's worth £10M now

[Gav]

Why the hell did they sack Gary Bowyer?

They have zero interest where the club finds itself today, its all about money, so as the last Bowyer asset leaves for another profit why did they sack him? 

He made someone a fortune....

[Lancaster Rover]

Not been on since last night and really cant be bothered trawling back, have we signed Ambrose?

[tomphil]

At the end of the day all Rovers are doing now is advertising players for other teams. Everyone we get on loan the parent club probably wants rid so it's a bit of a shop window job that swings these deals and makes them cheap. Desperation or an agents vehicle it's arguable which, probably both. 

Emnes will want a club in summer, it won't be us. joa Sheff Weds paid a fee so they'll want some back or another club to see him at Rovers anmd take him on loan. Everyone we get from Celtic they want rid of for one reason or another. This explains quite simply why there is no real plan to put a side together despite us actually bringing numbers in.It was the same under Bowyer but a slightly different remit.

Only people who benefit from Rovers as usual are agents and players as a brief stepping stone. It's not a club its a shell, just an agents platform whilst it's main sponsors hide away using the clubs own money to run it and provide this platform for their agent buddies.

Will any of these signings really make a difference when we are shunting Lowe back to right back and swapping carthorse center halves around every week ???

[spencey7]

9 hours ago, Dr Awesome said:

Strongly disagree. He's a reasonable defender/defensive mid who has had a lot of issues with confidence in the last couple of years. It's easy to forget that he was part of the defence that beat Barcelona and qualified for the last sixteen of the Champions League. If we have signed him and he can play like he did before Juventus @#/? him up, he could be a useful asset.

Source - semi-regular at Celtic Park.

Ha!

We'll see.

[Dr Awesome]

5 hours ago, perthblue02 said:

Was also part of the defence that got beat off Lincoln Red imps the part time Gibraltor team, theres a good picture of him on the link below being outfoxed by a 34 year old Ministry of defence policeman for the goal

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36761213

Source match report and watching it on bein sports at the time

 

3-2 defeat with OG , looking like a good go to bet for the rest of the season,  Hope I'm wrong but might as well try to make some cash out of the club, every bugger else is

 

 

Yes I watched that game as well, Efe made a balls up. But like I've said in other posts - we all know he has the potential to be rubbish, it's been pretty heavily reported on Twitter and what not. My point is - and has always been - that there is a decent defensive player in there who has been ruined in the past couple years. 

 

He might very well turn out badly, and then we can just add him to the pile of loan players of the last few years who were pish. But I for one want to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how his first five or six games go before I rush to judgement.

[Hanks]

Just now, Lancaster Rover said:

Not been on since last night and really cant be bothered trawling back, have we signed Ambrose?

Not quite  but still a chance http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11676/10751572/blackburn-and-celtic-wait-for-news-on-proposed-efe-ambrose-loan-deal

[Dunnfc]

Just now, tomphil said:

At the end of the day all Rovers are doing now is advertising players for other teams. Everyone we get on loan the parent club probably wants rid so it's a bit of a shop window job that swings these deals and makes them cheap. Desperation or an agents vehicle it's arguable which, probably both. 

Emnes will want a club in summer, it won't be us. joa Sheff Weds paid a fee so they'll want some back or another club to see him at Rovers anmd take him on loan. Everyone we get from Celtic they want rid of for one reason or another. This explains quite simply why there is no real plan to put a side together despite us actually bringing numbers in.It was the same under Bowyer but a slightly different remit.

Only people who benefit from Rovers as usual are agents and players as a brief stepping stone. It's not a club its a shell, just an agents platform whilst it's main sponsors hide away using the clubs own money to run it and provide this platform for their agent buddies.

Will any of these signings really make a difference when we are shunting Lowe back to right back and swapping carthorse center halves around every week ???

Salgado did say strange Glasgow business.

Funny all these Celtic players arriving.

[Kamy100]

As long as they got the deal sheet in on time then the Ambrose one will go through.  

It takes additional time as he will need new International Clearance which comes via UEFA/FIFA.