[Archived] Transfers Part 2

[perthblue02]

Just now, Dunnfc said:

 

Funny all these Celtic players arriving.

Should rename Ewood Park to Celtic Park Your Cast offs here

[Lancaster Rover]

We've only signed one player on loan from Celtic. Mulgrew and Stokes were both out of contract.

[blue kiwi]

once upon a time having 3 ex celts in your team you would be going places,now scottish fitba is at a all time low happen we should apply to join that league

[roverstdt]

To be honest I am quite impressed as to what is available on the free market. I know this is a dreamland scenario that any competent club would make a move for these players but the likes of N'Zogbia, Reo Coke, Caddis, and Joey O Brien are all players that are worth looking at if you ask me 

[DE.]

Reo-Coker has been finished as a decent player since mid-2011. N'Zogbia's ego wouldn't fit in our dressing room and has a terrible attitude to boot. Can't speak for the other two, but one thing's for sure, if a player is still on a free transfer after January it's not usually because they're much good.

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, RoverCanada said:

So, to answer my question, yes, it's all conjecture on your part. Hence my confusion that you're so headstrong about something you have literally no evidence for. You've seemingly independently decided that out-of-contract players are worth no more than £300k, which had me wondering if you've worked on club accounts before or have had first hand experience in such dealings.

Perhaps a rewording: you're actually arguing football clubs are spending money in a sensible fashion. I have my doubts

Especially when Championship clubs have started to regularly break £10M in their transfer fees, £1.5M is a drop in the bucket. As mentioned above, both Lansbury and Hourihane's deals in this window have been quoted at £3M. Olsson's sale last year (with Lambert at the helm, and he was sure to mention in the press he was happy with the fee we got) was reported at £750k-£1M. Footballers are expensive buggers!

Not sure it was you, but someone mentioned Wolves wouldn't care if the reported fee is inflated... after Lambert specifically went to the press grandstanding that Wolves wouldn't be taken advantage of? If £1.5M is such an embarrassingly high fee (and I'd argue it's really not), wouldn't he want to speak up in his defence now? Are Wolves fans shouting about how inflated the fee was?

And it's not just 5 months of Marshall. They've also tied him down to a long-term contract before any other club had a shot at him when his contract expires. You see players in North American sports now traded for such negotiation windows.

Re: Cairney and Gestede, well Gestede was just sold again for £6M and had been kicking up a fuss in the press for some time when we sold him. Cairney... I do recall lots of bickering of whether we got £3M-£4M for him. And now you're the one believing media reports if you think he's worth £10M now

Its conjecture either way. Neither club has officially announced the fee, so until they do there's no proof as to what amount Rovers have received. Just speculation fuelled by the Lancashire Telegraph and Sky Sports who really have no idea what they are talking about.

As I said, I think it is far more likely that Venkys have reduced the asking price at the last minute knowing full well that if they didn't back down and take Wolves' offer then he'd be going for nothing. Far better to get what they can banked now and save on his wages.

I find it hard to believe that a proper club with a proper manager that isn't going up or down this season would have been held to ransom and eventually agree to Venkys demands.

Venkys want to sell whoever they can. That is clear. They might have wanted £2 million, but it is my belief that in desperation to get rid they will have accepted an offer much lower just to get some cash and save on his wages. They apparently demanded £8 million for Gestede and dragged that one out only to let him go for £6 million when they realised that was the most anyone was going to offer. Think the same happened with Hanley to Newcastle where they were demanding a higher fee then realised nobody would pay it so let him go for much less.

 

[JHRover]

Another alarming aspect for me is with this Ambrose signing.

I'm in no position to comment on his footballing ability so I'll leave judgment until he's played a few times.

What appears to be the case is that the Ambrose loan addition could not take place until Marshall was out the door. That is why the deal was left until the last minute and appears to still be touch and go as to whether the deal was done in time.

Celtic have been keen to get rid and would have allowed him to come here much earlier in January if we'd have made a proper offer for him. Its only a half season loan to try and get him some much needed game time, yet it seems even such a simple, short term and relatively cheap arrangement couldn't be sanctioned until Marshall was out the door and his wages off the books.

What a shocking state we are in.

Of course the knock on effect of this financial thrift is that much needed defensive reinforcements seem to now be in jeopardy due to Rovers waiting until the last minute rather than getting the job done much earlier.

If Ambrose was commanding a significant fee or Celtic didn't want to lose him I could understand leaving it to the 11th hour and it being touch and go, but he's a cheap loan they're keen to get rid of. No suggestion anyone else was interested in him, yet left it until this stage to authorise it. 

[1arC]

It is probably guess work, but there are a few Twitter posting suggesting Administration isn't too far off. Given that we had to get Marshall off the books before we could sign Ambrose, we are clearly very close to the edge.

[perthblue02]

Stokes might get a move after all, sentencing today.  Jailhouse rock first eleven maybe?

http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/01/footballer-to-be-sentenced-for-beating-up-elvis-impersonator-at-nightclub-6419492/

[rigger]

I don't know about an 11th hour signing of Ambrose, I wish it had been a 13th hour one.

 

 

PS. I hope he proves me wrong, I will gladly eat humble pie.

[johnradfordsubbuteo]

"Welcome to the Blackburn Home for Retired Celtic Players.

Put your feet up on our lovely upholstered bench or treatment table depending upon your fitness level. Vertical or horizontally remunerated and superannuated.  The choice is yours."

This fella can't be match fit so he'll need to build that up during first team games here.desperate stuff is it not?

[Mercer]

Just now, perthblue02 said:

Stokes might get a move after all, sentencing today.  Jailhouse rock first eleven maybe?

http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/01/footballer-to-be-sentenced-for-beating-up-elvis-impersonator-at-nightclub-6419492/

and opportunity for Rovers to tear up his contract saving £2million+ in wages and NI.

[Gav]

Just now, rigger said:

I don't know about an 11th hour signing of Ambrose, I wish it had been a 13th hour one.

 

 

PS. I hope he proves me wrong, I will gladly eat humble pie.

We're shopping in the bargain basement rigger, he's got to be cr@p or he'd be going elsewhere.

We're heading towards league 1, we may scrape 4th bottom this season who knows, but next season or the season after we'll be in league one, so signings like this are irrelevant, in fact most things Blackburn Rovers are sadly irrelevent until our superb owners who keep the club going week in week out  **** off

[JHRover]

It'll be a 2k a week job. Swansea were/are effectively covering the entirety of Emnes' wage whilst he's here just to get him out of the way for the remainder of his contract. They kept hold of him until the last minute in the hope that someone would offer more or even take him on a permanent deal but when that didn't materialise they were happy enough just to send him out somewhere until the summer. West Ham sent us young Samuelsen for next to nothing in the hope we'd give him valuable game time in the Championship and help him develop. When we didn't they put him back in their reserves even though he was still in our senior squad. Hendrie is on absolute peanuts. Joao is probably on £10k a week at Wednesday at most and we'll be covering half of that at most in exchange for giving him games in the hope someone throws in a bid for him in the summer or he regains his form and gets back into contention at Hillsborough.

Squad building? Forget it.

[1arC]

I think what has happened this window has been the final nail in the coffin. Not only will be go down this year, I honestly can't see us getting back to the second tier for an awful long time. For the people who think we need Venky's to pay the bills, we did perfectly well for 136 years without them. During that time we have spent no more than a handful of years, outside of the top two divisions. The debt that they are responsible for building, is now the noose that will keep us in the lower leagues for years to come. They are not keeping us afloat, they are keeping themselves afloat at the clubs expense.

[blue kiwi]

Ambrose has played games in the champions league,what was Curtleys nickname,bigbird?

[OJRovers]

No Venkys cheerleading comments from Coyle today.

Must admit I thought he would be saying that it was a "successful window" for the club.

Surely he'll be asked about the transfer window at tonight's game. His response might give a clue as to whether Mercer's theory is right or not.

[AllRoverAsia]

We are shopping in the bargain basement of the Oxfam Shop on final sales day.

Stokes out failed as Rovers wanted Hibs to pay the bulk of his wages. Hibs told us to do one so now we keep paying the full wages of a player we don't want or play.

The Ba deal falls through when Rovers try to con the player at the final hour. The player tells Rovers to do one.

I have great respect for Hibs and Ba and none for Rovers or the negotiating skills of slimeball Senior.

Emnes had no choice but to come back and Swansea pick up the tab.

I cant be feckin bothered to comment on the SW player who is obviously Senior inspired.

It is suprising that other clubs will still do business with Rovers even when it involves their worst rejects.

I dare anyone to put a positive spin on this feckin shambles.

 

 

[tomphil]

Coming soon to a cinema near you the new spring blockbuster, Owen Coyle in THE MAN WITH NO PLAN !

[JHRover]

The only positive I can think of at the moment is that when we're relegated, almost certainly this season after making no attempt to improve the squad, then we won't be saddled with a big earning bunch in the 3rd tier. Graham, Evans, Mulgrew and Conway will be picked up by someone else and other than that we'll only have Stokes and Feeney for another season.

That really is the only remotely good thing I can think of from this window.

[AllRoverAsia]

The Chimphead who signed Wes Brown in worried about the match fitness of Lucas someone or other. Health Warning: Coyle in gushing motormouth mode.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/15060659.Blackburn_Rovers_boss_Owen_Coyle__delighted__with_Lucas_Joao_and_Marvin_Emnes_signings/?ref=mac

[Stuart]

59 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Another alarming aspect for me is with this Ambrose signing.

I'm in no position to comment on his footballing ability so I'll leave judgment until he's played a few times.

What appears to be the case is that the Ambrose loan addition could not take place until Marshall was out the door. That is why the deal was left until the last minute and appears to still be touch and go as to whether the deal was done in time.

Celtic have been keen to get rid and would have allowed him to come here much earlier in January if we'd have made a proper offer for him. Its only a half season loan to try and get him some much needed game time, yet it seems even such a simple, short term and relatively cheap arrangement couldn't be sanctioned until Marshall was out the door and his wages off the books.

What a shocking state we are in.

Of course the knock on effect of this financial thrift is that much needed defensive reinforcements seem to now be in jeopardy due to Rovers waiting until the last minute rather than getting the job done much earlier.

If Ambrose was commanding a significant fee or Celtic didn't want to lose him I could understand leaving it to the 11th hour and it being touch and go, but he's a cheap loan they're keen to get rid of. No suggestion anyone else was interested in him, yet left it until this stage to authorise it. 

You know what's worse?

Every single club in football knows this too so they have us by the short and curlies.

[perthblue02]

Just now, AllRoverAsia said:

The Chimphead who signed Wes Brown in worried about the match fitness of Lucas someone or other. Health Warning: Coyle in gushing motormouth mode.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/15060659.Blackburn_Rovers_boss_Owen_Coyle__delighted__with_Lucas_Joao_and_Marvin_Emnes_signings/?ref=mac

 

[davulsukur]

Just now, perthblue02 said:

 

Where did you find his cv online?

[Dr Awesome]

12 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

We are shopping in the bargain basement of the Oxfam Shop on final sales day.

Stokes out failed as Rovers wanted Hibs to pay the bulk of his wages. Hibs told us to do one so now we keep paying the full wages of a player we don't want or play.

The Ba deal falls through when Rovers try to con the player at the final hour. The player tells Rovers to do one.

I have great respect for Hibs and Ba and none for Rovers or the negotiating skills of slimeball Senior.

Emnes had no choice but to come back and Swansea pick up the tab.

I cant be feckin bothered to comment on the SW player who is obviously Senior inspired.

It is suprising that other clubs will still do business with Rovers even when it involves their worst rejects.

I dare anyone to put a positive spin on this feckin shambles.

 

 

I've been ranting on twitter about this all day to anyone who will listen. As much as I defend Ambrose, it's an absolute disgrace that it took as long as it did to strike a deal for a player who is so clearly surplus to requirements at his club, and a joke that we've not been able to do a deal with Hibs - who are nowhere in Scotland right now - to get rid of Stokes, who'd be going to play for a manager he knows and does well under.

 

We're a shambles, and are quickly getting to the point where there isn't anything left for Venkys to asset strip. I wouldn't mind dropping down a couple more leagues if it would get them to @#/? and let us rebuild properly.