[Archived] Transfers Part 2

[gumboots]

I think he's a do what they tell you to do type of player so in a decent system where you're given a simple task and forced to stick to it you do ok.

[blueboy3333]

  On 11/05/2017 at 18:19, gumboots said:

I think he's a do what they tell you to do type of player so in a decent system where you're given a simple task and forced to stick to it you do ok.

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Agreed. He's good at some things and he'd dogged but he lacks basic football ability.

[Leyland-Rover]

Saying anything nice about Jason Lowe as a Blackburn fan, is a bit like saying you sort of agreed with Hitlers mindset, but I think he could do alright for us in League 1 - not taking into consideration his wage. 

[gumboots]

I've never thought he was good or even average, just that he's or has the potential to be, the kind of workhorse some managers want.  It would have to be right manager, right team though for him to rise above mediocrity.

[AllRoverAsia]

It will do Lowe himself the world of good to get away from Ewood wherever he ends up.

He is out of contract so there will be suitors.

We can't afford him.

[morgy_]

I like Lowe. Think he's a much better player than people give him credit for. Unfortunately some fans can't seem to go 5 mins without slagging CM's off at this club. I remember people slating N'Zonzi because he "only passes sideways". Sometimes it's the system rather than the player.

[bob fleming]

  On 10/05/2017 at 22:22, Stuart said:

Except the third one.

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Why's that then?

[Commondore]

I'm fairly sure we wont ever see a Premier League club swoop in for a player from a relegated Championship side again (if it has ever happened), out of contract or not. 

[Stuart]

  On 11/05/2017 at 20:06, bob fleming said:

Why's that then?

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We can't sell a lad whose contract has expired.

[OJRovers]

He is definitely not a captain or leader.

[bob fleming]

  On 11/05/2017 at 20:52, Stuart said:

We can't sell a lad whose contract has expired.

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Yes, I know that, you know that but.... etc

[Stuart]

  On 11/05/2017 at 20:53, bob fleming said:

Yes, I know that, you know that but.... etc

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 Fair dos.

[Leyland-Rover]

  On 11/05/2017 at 20:52, Stuart said:

We can't sell a lad whose contract has expired.

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I'll be honest. I didn't know that. I feel a bit stupid now.

I don't understand how it works. We've got 7 out of contract. Unless we sign then, how do they go to another club? 

If say, the thing I posted about Wigan, Hull and Burnley wanting Lowe, how does he end up at either? And will we get absolutely nothing for him, other than a saving in the wage bill?

[Stuart]

  On 11/05/2017 at 21:20, Leyland-Rover said:

I'll be honest. I didn't know that. I feel a bit stupid now.

I don't understand how it works. We've got 7 out of contract. Unless we sign then, how do they go to another club? 

If say, the thing I posted about Wigan, Hull and Burnley wanting Lowe, how does he end up at either?

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Don't feel stupid.

Their contract expires, they say goodbye to all their mates, clear their locker and walk out. Their agent then finds him a club. If the player is any good other clubs will already be in touch with his agent. If the player isn't in demand the agent will have to earn his fee by finding somebody to take him.

Some agents have been making a tidy sum by doing exactly this to Rovers!

In the old days the club used to be able to hold on to player registrations so that they couldn't play for another club but that all changed many years ago. Google Jean-Marc Bosman.

[AllRoverAsia]

  On 11/05/2017 at 17:51, blueboy3333 said:

I hope he goes to Burnley.

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IDEAL !

They need a replacement for Joey B

PMSL 

[Leyland-Rover]

  On 11/05/2017 at 21:23, Stuart said:

Don't feel stupid.

Their contract expires, they say goodbye to all their mates, clear their locker and walk out. Their agent then finds him a club. If the player is any good other clubs will already be in touch with his agent. If the player isn't in demand the agent will have to earn his fee by finding somebody to take him.

Some agents have been making a tidy sum by doing exactly this to Rovers!

In the old days the club used to be able to hold on to player registrations so that they couldn't play for another club but that all changed many years ago. Google Jean-Marc Bosman.

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Thanks for clearing that up. Wow. That's a kick in the balls.

So say United buy Messi for £1 gazillion. He signs a 1 year deal. Hates the Trafford Center and wants to leave. So he refuses to sign a new deal, Leyton Orient come along having just won the EuroMillions and tempt him with paying whatever his wages are, which he accept. United then lose their £1 gazillion investment and are left with nothing. Blimey.

[Stuart]

  On 11/05/2017 at 21:42, Leyland-Rover said:

Thanks for clearing that up. Wow. That's a kick in the balls.

So say United buy Messi for £1 gazillion. He signs a 1 year deal. Hates the Trafford Center and wants to leave. So he refuses to sign a new deal, Leyton Orient come along having just won the EuroMillions and tempt him with paying whatever his wages are, which he accept. United then lose their £1 gazillion investment and are left with nothing. Blimey.

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Sort of. In your example United's 'investment' of £1 gazillion was in the knowledge that it was one year only because they agreed terms with the player at the same time. If they weren't happy with that then they should have offered him more gazillions to stay for longer.

[blueboy3333]

  On 11/05/2017 at 21:20, Leyland-Rover said:

I'll be honest. I didn't know that. I feel a bit stupid now.

I don't understand how it works. We've got 7 out of contract. Unless we sign then, how do they go to another club? 

If say, the thing I posted about Wigan, Hull and Burnley wanting Lowe, how does he end up at either? And will we get absolutely nothing for him, other than a saving in the wage bill?

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http://fullcontactlaw.co.uk/2016/11/compensation-players-24-mystery/

We will get money for Mahoney because he's under 24 and so we are entitled to compensation....as long as we've offered him a contract for the same money he was on before. Normally the two clubs agree the compensation figure but if they can't it goes to a tribunal. At the bottom of the above link are some examples of fees decide by Tribs.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

How any Premier League club can seriously look at Lowe is beyond me. Apart from the ability to run around like a dog chasing a paper bag on a windy day he's got nothing. It tells me all I need to know about modern day players.

[Leyland-Rover]

  On 11/05/2017 at 22:20, blueboy3333 said:

http://fullcontactlaw.co.uk/2016/11/compensation-players-24-mystery/

We will get money for Mahoney because he's under 24 and so we are entitled to compensation....as long as we've offered him a contract for the same money he was on before. Normally the two clubs agree the compensation figure but if they can't it goes to a tribunal. At the bottom of the above link are some examples of fees decide by Tribs.

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That's a very interesting read. Thank you.

Are there any other common reasons why sell-on clauses can be attached to players that are moved on, separate to the Under 24 rule.

[RV Blue]

  On 11/05/2017 at 20:04, morgy_ said:

I like Lowe. Think he's a much better player than people give him credit for. Unfortunately some fans can't seem to go 5 mins without slagging CM's off at this club. I remember people slating N'Zonzi because he "only passes sideways". Sometimes it's the system rather than the player.

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Comparing Steven N'Zonzi to Jason Lowe... deary me.

[Eddie]

N'Zonzi is (and was) a much better player than Lowe, but I will agree that our supporters have been rather hard on central midfielders of the years. 

I fear that next year we will be looking back and wishing that we had a player of Lowe's calibre, much like I dream of seeing someone like Keith Andrews in our side right now. 

[duggy9197]

nzonzi downed tools at Swansea away unforgivable as far as I'm concerned.

[tomphil]

Lowe has no calibre in football terms at all whatever league he's in he'll only do one thing however yes we may miss his effort for sure.

[davulsukur]

  On 12/05/2017 at 08:51, Eddie said:

N'Zonzi is (and was) a much better player than Lowe, but I will agree that our supporters have been rather hard on central midfielders of the years. 

I fear that next year we will be looking back and wishing that we had a player of Lowe's calibre, much like I dream of seeing someone like Keith Andrews in our side right now. 

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Our central midfield has been largely dreadful for a very long time now.

Jermaine Jones and Phil Jones were probably the last decent 2 and one is a centre back and the other wasn't ours.

Murphy, Etuhu, Evans, Lowe, Akpan, Petrovic, Jorge (who? Exactly) Cairney (technically good, workrate of Berbatov, rarely played CM anyway)

Guthrie was reasonably poor until Mowbray came in, Mulgrew would have been good but was needed at CB.