[Archived] Transfers Part 2

[Leonard Venkhater]

37 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I very much doubt there is a correlation. Mowbray has said we have bids in for other players. No conspiracy on this 

I see it as more of a hypothesis that we can test out. We will know by August if it is confirmed.

Worst case is lots of in coming transfers, followed by late exits, just on the transfer deadline, leaving the Venky's in profit for the window.

Another hypothesis would be that TM really has convinced them that a lot could be achieved in the long term by going for success this season. Again, we will know soon enough.

[tomphil]

56 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

Early bird passes and it all goes very quiet on incomings with outgoings now seemingly on the menu. How surprising.

Entirely predictable as the Sheff U interest has been around a while but they've managed to keep a lid on it this end until deadline has passed. Having looked at how many have been sold and the fact they've borrowed against it in advance there might be a panic to fill a hole there from the bean counters.

As always we don't hear 'sorry he's contracted to us he isn't for sale' or 'we value Darragh at 4 times their bid so unless someone starts there it's a waste of time' .

Tick tock.....

[Leonard Venkhater]

Just now, tomphil said:

Entirely predictable as the Sheff U interest has been around a while but they've managed to keep a lid on it this end until deadline has passed. Having looked at how many have been sold and the fact they've borrowed against it in advance there might be a panic to fill a hole there from the bean counters.

As always we don't hear 'sorry he's contracted to us he isn't for sale' or 'we value Darragh at 4 times their bid so unless someone starts there it's a waste of time' .

Tick tock.....

Captain Hook seen at Brockhall?

[davulsukur]

Things could unravel pretty quickly. If someone decides that we must flog Lenihan above Mowbray's head, I can't see why he'd stick around.

He has gone on record as saying no one will be sold without his approval. Could very well have been ass covering tactics (who could blame him) but if someone starts flogging players without his say so, he'll be off like a shot.

Which puts us firmly in the brown stuff before the season kicks off.

[tomphil]

7 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Captain Hook seen at Brockhall?

He operates from the deep these days I reckon !

[had.e.nuff]

14 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Entirely predictable as the Sheff U interest has been around a while but they've managed to keep a lid on it this end until deadline has passed. Having looked at how many have been sold and the fact they've borrowed against it in advance there might be a panic to fill a hole there from the bean counters.

As always we don't hear 'sorry he's contracted to us he isn't for sale' or 'we value Darragh at 4 times their bid so unless someone starts there it's a waste of time' .

Tick tock.....

Every player at every club is for sale for the right  money

[Parsonblue]

21 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Entirely predictable as the Sheff U interest has been around a while but they've managed to keep a lid on it this end until deadline has passed. Having looked at how many have been sold and the fact they've borrowed against it in advance there might be a panic to fill a hole there from the bean counters.

As always we don't hear 'sorry he's contracted to us he isn't for sale' or 'we value Darragh at 4 times their bid so unless someone starts there it's a waste of time' .

Tick tock.....

Every player has a price - bit like when Shearer left and folk were moaning about the club taking their money for season tickets and then selling Shearer.

[Leonard Venkhater]

9 minutes ago, had.e.nuff said:

Every player at every club is for sale for the right  money

A true statement. However, we should always be aware of the danger of normalising our situation. What is going here is not like every other club. ...(Selling Cairney, Rhodes, Mahoney, yet pi55ing away money on Stokes, Feeney and ...Wes Brown aaggh)

[Dunnfc]

6 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

I very much look forward to your financial posts but when it comes to footballers and their ability I can never understand your reasoning.

Lenihan is a good player and a great prospect. Championship is his level but I'd say he'd walk into mid-lower league Championship team this year. A few more years of development and I'd say he'd be a top half player.

I've heard from a reporter, albeit a Burnley reporter but someone that is obviously in the 'media loop' if you will (and someone I trust to be impartial), that Lenihan is staying at Blackburn but Mulgrew and Graham are off. Mulgrew is an almost certainty whilst Graham's agent is throwing him about like nobodies business in a bid to get him back to the Championship.

My thoughts on Lenihan are well documented, personally I feel supporters have become so disillusioned with the array of sub-standard arrivals at the club under Venkys and the continued downgrading of the squad so much that they seemingly value/view certain players better than they actually are more in fear of knowing what is likely to arrive to replace them. (Better the devil you know in a roundabout way).

Don’t get me wrong the lad has time to improve but he’s 23 and has more than 80 games under his belt already including 65 at Championship level. That for me and from what I’ve seen has formed my opinion that I believe he’s very ordinary very much a run of the mill academy product. Similar to what saw Alex Mowatt leave Leeds last summer to Barnsley for 500k, a similar fee to what newly promoted Sheffield Utd have offered. If he was a game changer or as good as people think he is then why are teams like Birmingham, Derby, Reading etc not eying him up? It’s simple he’s not good enough for most at Championship level, he’s a bottom of the league probably high L1 player (At the moment).

Issue is we’ve now suffered yet another relegation under Venky’s they’ve no form for reinvesting in the squad to actively replace from a quality perspective and many will have reservations of another Wes Brown coming in to replace Lenihan. You don’t usually sign players unless they are better than whom they are replacing, it’s difficult itself with our warped owners and a relegation to League One to continually contend with but let’s not kid ourselves our recruitment has been far from imaginative or brilliant this summer so far, it’s been very much bare essential and readily available to plug holes.

A good centre half replacement like a Ben Heneghan (Motherwell) or Ryan Tafazolli (Peterborough) will cost 300-400k. So you might at this moment as well keep him unless Wes Brown mk2 comes in but then even so you’ve the dilemma to Lenihans current 3k a week wage to Brown Mk2s 7k. A cost of say around 4k multiplied by 52 weeks = 208k before NI/Pension/Expenses/Agent Fees.

As it stands a million quid I said you’d be fleecing someone for looks attainable. I’d imagine they’d take that and perhaps offer Mowbray 5k a week for a freebie. Cheston and co will look at 3k per week x 52 = 156k+1million fee in exchange for 260k before fees/NI. The 700k probably stems 3 weeks operating losses at the moment and getting the fee in would purely just be used for liquidity purposes.

[Tom]

Hiwula off to Fleetwood on loan; I know some here mentioned him 

[tomphil]

6 minutes ago, Parsonblue said:

Every player has a price - bit like when Shearer left and folk were moaning about the club taking their money for season tickets and then selling Shearer.

There's a price and there's a PRICE if you get my drift.  If someone offered a million plus add ons for Lenihen and Mowbray would get at least half the proceeds then i'm quite confident he'd get someone in equally as capable.

We know that doesn't happen hence the concern.

[Mike E]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I very much doubt there is a correlation. Mowbray has said we have bids in for other players. No conspiracy on this 

It's definitely correlation, do you mean causation?

[Bigdoggsteel]

2 minutes ago, Mike E said:

It's definitely correlation, do you mean causation?

No,I meant what I said.

Correlation "a mutual relationship or connection between two or more things"

Causation "the action of causing something" 

There is no evidence that season tickets sales ending is a causation to or a correlation between us not signing anyone in the 2-3 days since. It is fans speculating that there is 

[Mike E]

Fair play. I still believe it's a correlation

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, rovers11 said:

Stokes to Hibs very near completion apparently. I would imagine this means we are close to signing a striker as TM won't let anyone leave without a replacement first. 

good news hopes it a permanent move aswell. Let Lennon dealt with him

2 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Lenihan wants to stay and play under TM or so I have been told. Though, with that said, we know that if someone somewhere wants him gone he'll be off.

was told this 3 weeks ago by a friend

[gazsimm]

Stumbling block with Stokes is his wage I have heard. Don't think Hibs can afford him.  If Stokes goes think Lambert will follow.

If the right bid comes in for Lenihan he will be off.

 

 

[Leonard Venkhater]

2 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Lenihan wants to stay and play under TM or so I have been told. Though, with that said, we know that if someone somewhere wants him gone he'll be off.

"This club deserves some loyalty."..Chris Sutton (a few weeks before jumping on the train to Stamford Bridge)

[Dunnfc]

1 minute ago, gazsimm said:

Stumbling block with Stokes is his wage I have heard. Don't think Hibs can afford him.  If Stokes goes think Lambert will follow.

If the right bid comes in for Lenihan he will be off.

 

 

We've agreed a "Severence" package with Stokes more than likely paying him 9k for the next two years of his left over contract each week and hives paying the 5k (ceiling) difference

[Bigdoggsteel]

14 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Fair play. I still believe it's a correlation

Could well be. Hopefully not..

[Bigdoggsteel]

7 minutes ago, Dunnfc said:

We've agreed a "Severence" package with Stokes more than likely paying him 9k for the next two years of his left over contract each week and hives paying the 5k (ceiling) difference

If he wants to go so much, he should be prepared/forced top take the pay cut. 

I like Mowbray and I think he is a good, honest grafter and expects the same from his players. He obviously met with Stokes and thought "Not a fan of this guy" 

I am so sick of us footing the bill for garbage signed by garbage men(Kean, Coyle)

[Skiptonrover]

42 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

No,I meant what I said.

Correlation "a mutual relationship or connection between two or more things"

Causation "the action of causing something" 

There is no evidence that season tickets sales ending is a causation to or a correlation between us not signing anyone in the 2-3 days since. It is fans speculating that there is 

Agree. If anything they would be going out on a limb to get more to encourage more support. Things have slowed down because the teams are looking for replacements its all 1 big chain I believe theres deals in the pipeline but complex to get over the line within a short duration anyhow.

[JHRover]

Stokes will be off. We'll be paying dearly for the privilege. 2 years remaining on his deal. He'll either be paid off or more likely shipped out on loan with us covering the vast majority of his weekly wage whilst he heads back north of the border and joins up with his old pals. Some might remember I have predicted numerous times he'll end up back with Lennon. They'll be laughing their socks off. Stokes will get his cash, Lennon will get his player, Hibs will only be paying a small fraction whilst Rovers cover the majority.

Not bothered in the slightest from a football perspective. It however does show that lessons haven't been heeded and the club is still throwing obscene levels of money at people that should never have been handed it. They'll never learn.

I hope it isn't a case of waiting for him to clear off before bringing someone else in. Whether Stokes stays or not should be irrelevant for the time being as either way we still need a couple of quality additions up front. If he clears off to Hibs for the season then we'll need 3.

[tomphil]

9 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

If he wants to go so much, he should be prepared/forced top take the pay cut. 

I like Mowbray and I think he is a good, honest grafter and expects the same from his players. He obviously met with Stokes and thought "Not a fan of this guy" 

I am so sick of us footing the bill for garbage signed by garbage men(Kean, Coyle)

That's because Anthony & his crew had set their sights on getting himself back up there soon as possible not long after he fell out of favour here a few weeks after arriving.

I don't wish bad stuff on players but once he's out the building I hope things don' go very well shall we say.

[Dunnfc]

7 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

If he wants to go so much, he should be prepared/forced top take the pay cut. 

I like Mowbray and I think he is a good, honest grafter and expects the same from his players. He obviously met with Stokes and thought "Not a fan of this guy" 

I am so sick of us footing the bill for garbage signed by garbage men(Kean, Coyle)

Why should he? He signed a contract for three years? Far as I'm concerned the club don't feel he has breached it and is entitled to the money. Seperate emotion/morals away from reality or you'll be dissatisfied.

If I take a phone contract out refuse to pay down the line monthly instalments then I've broken the terms and Vodafone will pursue me. Only one thing your sure of when you sign a contract is that it will cost you over the basis of length 

[Bigdoggsteel]

15 minutes ago, Dunnfc said:

Why should he? He signed a contract for three years? Far as I'm concerned the club don't feel he has breached it and is entitled to the money. Seperate emotion/morals away from reality or you'll be dissatisfied.

If I take a phone contract out refuse to pay down the line monthly instalments then I've broken the terms and Vodafone will pursue me. Only one thing your sure of when you sign a contract is that it will cost you over the basis of length 

Yes, but he needs to keep up his side of the contract. Can it be said he has done that? Mutual termination and back up to Scotland with you, otherwise lets look at your off the field behavior is what I would be saying. 

There is surely something in players contracts about being professional? The guy guy is constantly on the gargle