[Archived] Rovers V Norwich City

[chaddyrovers]

Stokes and Byrne didnt look good pre season. So I based it on that. Stokes has looked woeful pre seasons.

Evans not fit.

Duffy would be my captain.

Hendrie I dont think is up to it at this stage. So Henley had to play there. We need a better quality Left Back. I would have gone for Scott Malone before he went to Fulham.

Marshall, I wanted to try him in the 10 role for a few games and see how he does. But yesterday he was far too deep and not influence the game. But yesterday give up on that thought now. Also listened to Kevin Gallagher's comments yesterday after game on BBC Lancs.

[Al]

Coyle got the formation wrong.

Coyle got the team wrong.

The team looked unfit.

The team didn't look motivated.

3-0 down at 24 minutes, it took Coyle till half time to make any changes.

There seemed to be a total lack of gameplan.

Henley, a guy who has never impressed at right back was played at left back, to accomodate Jason Lowe, a guy who has never impressed in midfield who has now been made captain. At no point in the game did Lowe appear to captain the team. At one point because he started giving someone else a rolicking he gave the ball away quite embarassingly, and in a dangerous position.

Marshall pretty much neutralized thanks to him being out of position.

The only sparks of hope came from Stokes and Byrne. Why he didn't play them I will never understand. We were a different team with those two in but admittedly by this point Norwich had well and truly took their foot off the gas. Not that they ever shifted out of second gear in the first place, they didn't need to.

In short, it was an embarassing shambolic display and Coyle should be ashamed with his managerial debut. I didn't think we were in for a good season and now I think it could potentially be worse.

Edit: And by the way Steele shouldn't be anywhere near a first team. He looked like he'd never stood in front of a goal before.

Read this again it's a good summary of the game. Steele was absolutely hopeless. Buying him to replace Robinson was criminal. Always was and still is.

[Stuart]

But EVERY away game I attended last season, there were RACIST chants, comments from Rovers fans.

If this is happening at away games, it is happening at home games.

It is NOT just Venkys driving fans away - Rovers fans are also playing their part.

ANY owner would be restricted on the money they can put into the club.

If there is no match day income, players HAVE to be sold, to meet the DEMANDING, costs of running the club.

All owners are hand tied by the rules within the Football League.

Even if JW was around today - he couldn't do what he did back in the glory days.

Such an ignorant ignorant post, Peter. Truly dreadful. I am glad you do not attend games because if you spoke to people like that in person I think you would get a very bad reaction.

Once again, peddling this myth that the dissension towards Venkys is racism. It's lazy, and despicable.

Blaming fans for driving people away? Peter, that's pathetic.

Owners are not restricted by FFP now and they can put their own money in up to higher levels than previously. Again, you show how out of touch you are. Defending Venkys selling players, as part of this charade, idiotic.

Bringing Jack into it and illicitly comparing Venkys to him. How dare you? "Fans" like you didn't deserve Jack Walker. He would not have got us into this mess and he would sure as hell be doing everything he could to support the club in spite of FFP, not use it as an excuse. Just look at other Championship clubs this season.

Utter nonsense virtually every word of you post. Seems like it even hurt you having to admit that Venkys are pathetic owners. Yet, you were able to do so without even mentioning racism.

I expect you will have crawled back under your rock for another 6 months and won't even read this reply but a frankly insulting post like that cannot go unchallenged. A post like that, designed to blame the fans (who must be racist because you've sat next to one or two idiots at a couple of away games) is nothing more than wind-up material.

PAFELL OUT.

[Lancaster Rover]

Evans had a knock didn't he, ankle? The non starting with f Byrne and Stokes was mystifying, especially given the impact they had after their introduction.

[Athlete]

Stokes and Byrne didnt look good pre season. So I based it on that. Stokes has looked woeful pre seasons.

Evans not fit.

Duffy would be my captain.

Hendrie I dont think is up to it at this stage. So Henley had to play there. We need a better quality Left Back. I would have gone for Scott Malone before he went to Fulham.

Marshall, I wanted to try him in the 10 role for a few games and see how he does. But yesterday he was far too deep and not influence the game. But yesterday give up on that thought now. Also listened to Kevin Gallagher's comments yesterday after game on BBC Lancs.

You.. 😁 it isn't up to you

Wise up chaddyrovers that was garbage and unless a massive improvement happens were going down.

[booth]

Stokes and Byrne didnt look good pre season. So I based it on that. Stokes has looked woeful pre seasons.

Evans not fit.

Duffy would be my captain.

Hendrie I dont think is up to it at this stage.

Marshall, I wanted to try him in the 10 role for a few games and see how he does. But yesterday he was far too deep and not influence the game. But yesterday give up on that thought now. Also listened to Kevin Gallagher's comments yesterday after game on BBC Lancs.

You can't go off what a player looks like pre-season. I remember seeing Shearer in a pre-season friendly and he looked like Nathan Blake on a bad day. By that logic should we have started Newell up front on his own?

The proof was in the pudding, he brought Stokes on and he scored. A good manager would have kept the faith.

And if Hendie isn't up to it why sign him.

Coyle, the dropper of many b***cks and we're only one game in, and you're trying to defend him. Same old.

Someone wrote that Coyle seemed to be including the likes of Lowe and Henley as he's under orders to make them into saleable assets. That wouldn't surprise me at all because there was no other logic in selecting them. Same with Akpan.

[J*B]

Akpans contract will run out and he'll move to an Oldham, Bury or similar. He's completely not up to this level.

[McClarky]

Personally I think the club is dead in the water. Under the current ownership and structure it just can't operate successfully or anything like solvently That's why some of us think we are better off crashing and burning now while some people are still interested enough to care rather than in 5 years time when we are down the leagues with crowds of 3 or 4 thousand. That's where we're headed under this status quo and there's surely no doubt about that.

[K-Hod]

Stokes and Byrne didnt look good pre season. So I based it on that. Stokes has looked woeful pre seasons.

Evans not fit.

Duffy would be my captain.

Hendrie I dont think is up to it at this stage. So Henley had to play there. We need a better quality Left Back. I would have gone for Scott Malone before he went to Fulham.

Marshall, I wanted to try him in the 10 role for a few games and see how he does. But yesterday he was far too deep and not influence the game. But yesterday give up on that thought now. Also listened to Kevin Gallagher's comments yesterday after game on BBC Lancs.

Come on, Chaddy. Marshall has never looked good 'in the hole'! It's come to something when the manager signs a specialised left back and he 'isn't up to it'. When will he be? Will he ever be? If he is, I hope it's soon as Henley was absolutely shocking yesterday.

[Stuart]

Personally I think the club is dead in the water. Under the current ownership and structure it just can't operate successfully or anything like solvently That's why some of us think we are better off crashing and burning now while some people are still interested enough to care rather than in 5 years time when we are down the leagues with crowds of 3 or 4 thousand. That's where we're headed under this status quo and there's surely no doubt about that.

Agree completely.

We have a chance in League One with 10,000 fans, and a club structure and board whose sole aim is success on the pitch supported by player sales. Instead we are fading into ambivalence under so-called owners whose aim, it seems, is to generate value in one or two players in spite of collective failure on the pitch.

[Al]

Do you know what, I didn't miss it at all. Clitheroe won, more important. I'm glad I didn't go. It's a complete mess.

I hope you enjoy your new team. I'll have to stick with the old one. It's what a fan does.

[chaddyrovers]

You can't go off what a player looks like pre-season. I remember seeing Shearer in a pre-season friendly and he looked like Nathan Blake on a bad day. By that logic should we have started Newell up front on his own?

The proof was in the pudding, he brought Stokes on and he scored. A good manager would have kept the faith.

And if Hendie isn't up to it why sign him.

Coyle, the dropper of many b***cks and we're only one game in, and you're trying to defend him. Same old.

Someone wrote that Coyle seemed to be including the likes of Lowe and Henley as he's under orders to make them into saleable assets. That wouldn't surprise me at all because there was no other logic in selecting them. Same with Akpan.

You got to based on who looks on form?

Stokes and Byrne looked awful. Also in Pre season we been only playing mainly 1 up front all pre season.

I am not defend Coyle at all. Didnt I posted yesterday about the tactics being poor and wrong. Or didnt you read that yesterday?

Agree on Hendrie.

[1arC]

Akpans contract will run out and he'll move to an Oldham, Bury or similar. He's completely not up to this level.

The big problem is, we will be down to that level ourselves soon. Oldham and Bury doing a Norwich, to us may not be that far away.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Chaddy, you can't tell someone to shut up who disagrees with you (whether it be Ricky or Athlete).

If you were genuinely happy with yesterday's line-up you must justify it, as we had 3 or 4 stronger players on the bench or not involved than those who started.

Evans not involved at all.

Lowe as captain.

Henley at LB.

Marshall in his worst position rather than best.

Those 4 alone should ring bells, even before we consider personal opinion on who's better than whom.

Evans injured

Lowe as captain - we haven't had a decent captain for a long time. But personally I don't know Lowe as a person to say whether he would make a good captain - or the regard that he is held by his team mates. So I bow to everybody elses knowledge of his credentials to be a captain - who obviously know these things far better than I do.

Henley at left back - the guy we got from West Ham is carrying an injury - to be fair to Coyle he is looking for a left back.

Marshall in his worst position - every manager has tried him in the number 10 role - in theory he should be ideal - but for some reason it doesn't come off. What is his best position ? personally I think it is right back - but I am sure the next person would say on the wing and some would still say in the number 10 role.

[chaddyrovers]

Come on, Chaddy. Marshall has never looked good 'in the hole'! It's come to something when the manager signs a specialised left back and he 'isn't up to it'. When will he be? Will he ever be? If he is, I hope it's soon as Henley was absolutely shocking yesterday.

I agree on Hendrie.

Dont think Marshall has been enough time in that role but I feel that we now should play 4-4-2 and just keep it simple. Not sure our players are good enough to adapt to play different systems.

[Al]

This was terrible. Coyle and some players should be ashamed!! Try this on tuesday:

Raya

Marshall, Duffy, Greer, Hendrie

Feeney, Leninhan, Byrne, Conway

Stokes, Graham

Weak in central midfield but from the players we have I don't think we could do any better than that. We desperately need some new players

[the original david brent]

I hope you enjoy your new team. I'll have to stick with the old one. It's what a fan does.

Unless I am mistaken he was at Clitheroe Cricket club.

Yesterday was just shambolic. I left my seat after the second goal and went onto the concourse for a beer. I then left at half time and was in a pub in Darwen centre for 4.20!

[Athlete]

I agree on Hendrie.

Dont think Marshall has been enough time in that role but I feel that we now should play 4-4-2 and just keep it simple. Not sure our players are good enough to adapt to play different systems.

Once again chaddyrovers it isn't up to you

It's hopefully up to Coyle to change it and make do the best he can

[Al]

Man for man, they looked two divisions better than us.

The lack of transfer funding over the last couple of seasons is now/will continue to bite us on the ass.

What you don't need after you've sat through a hammering is to come home and read smug and gloating posts on the match thread, that made me angrier than the defeat.

Absolutely Aggy. There's no need for it from so called supporters.

[Stuart]

Come on, Chaddy. Marshall has never looked good 'in the hole'! It's come to something when the manager signs a specialised left back and he 'isn't up to it'. When will he be? Will he ever be? If he is, I hope it's soon as Henley was absolutely shocking yesterday.

This is the problem with new managers coming in. They all go through that same learning curve, or instruction from above. Then eventually give up, or realise they aren't good enough, and wait for a pay-out.

Meanwhile us fans have to watch the same problems and mistakes repeated over and over.

On paper though we have some decent (relatively speaking) players: Graham, Stokes, Marshall (if motivated), Conway, Duffy, Byrne (early days), Evans (on a good day).

Sadly that means 5 other players who aren't up to it. That's a keeper, both full backs, a centre-back (maybe Greer can fill this short term) and a centre-mid (for Evans' bad days).

The worst of all is that we are currently unsustainable as a Championship team. We need a fluke of a promotion just to go some way towards reducing our debt to pre-Venky levels and maybe rid of them. At which point, without an immediate sale to rich owners there would be no money left to buy PL players (at those wages) so we would be immediately relegated.

The end game for this phase of Blackburn Rovers history is all about getting rid of Venkys.

As promotion is a pipedream - even with this lot propping us up - we would be better off without them . What a shame they wouldn't listen to Seneca and let them run the club from Ewood as a rent-a-board arrangement - particularly if they were to have their own budget.

[Neal]

If you want the club to keep losing and suffer relegation after relegation you are no supporter of Blackburn Rovers no matter how much you try to persuade yourself differently.

Parson, I respect your commitment to Rovers and your posts on here but you do twist what people are saying at times.

No one WANTS the club to suffer relegation after relegation at all, some just think its a neccessary evil to try rid of these people. They're open to trying anything at this point.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

You can't go off what a player looks like pre-season. I remember seeing Shearer in a pre-season friendly and he looked like Nathan Blake on a bad day. By that logic should we have started Newell up front on his own?

The proof was in the pudding, he brought Stokes on and he scored. A good manager would have kept the faith.

And if Hendie isn't up to it why sign him.

Coyle, the dropper of many b***cks and we're only one game in, and you're trying to defend him. Same old.

Someone wrote that Coyle seemed to be including the likes of Lowe and Henley as he's under orders to make them into saleable assets. That wouldn't surprise me at all because there was no other logic in selecting them. Same with Akpan.

I didn't want Coyle - but am prepared to give him time.

Compare your post to those defending Lambert - he has only had six months, with money he would have got us promoted etc etc.

Coyle has had no money - and only one competitive match.

[booth]

You got to based on who looks on form?

Stokes and Byrne looked awful. Also in Pre season we been only playing mainly 1 up front all pre season.

I am not defend Coyle at all. Didnt I posted yesterday about the tactics being poor and wrong. Or didnt you read that yesterday?

Agree on Hendrie.

Form in friendlies? You don't based who you pick on form in a friendly. It's to gain match fitness and sharpness after a break. Players aren't going to run their socks off, as they should do in a competitive game in a friendly when they are trying to regain fitness and avoid knocks.

[Stuart]

Parson, I respect your commitment to Rovers and your posts on here but you do twist what people are saying at times.

No one WANTS the club to suffer relegation after relegation at all, some just think its a neccessary evil to try rid of these people. They're open to trying anything at this point.

This is exactly where we are. If there was a straw poll offering Venkys to leave if it meant League One, I think many would go for it at this stage.

Venkys haves staved of this for some time by periodically backing managers. If they really have turned of the taps and we are now seeing our squad at the current level or worse then it will mean League One anyway with Venkys. Imagine going through this all over again for a third time, sellin our better players (at that level) and hiding behind FFP as a reason for our slide to League Two.

Rovers and Blackpool wouldn't spoil a pair - both have the worst owners in football - and we are looking at a couple of bad seasons before we join them. Pompey will be a PL team again before we are.

[Gav]

I didn't want Coyle - but am prepared to give him time.

Compare your post to those defending Lambert - he has only had six months, with money he would have got us promoted etc etc.

Coyle has had no money - and only one competitive match.

Paul Lambert was a proper manager that surrounded himself with proper footballing people.

Coyles a yes man that hasn't got a clue, lucky to be in work, big difference.

But the real villains are the owners, until they are forced out of walk away its continued decline.

Anyway England have just declared, sets up the day nicely.