[Archived] Two More Relegations And Venky's Can Cluck Off

[Claytons Left Boot]

Booth, in another thread, just got me thinking there could be light at the end of the tunnel. So I thought I would give that line of reasoning a topic of its own.

Would Venky's keep us if we fell into League One? Probably yes, although I feel they would then start having their doubts. League Two? I think they would look to off load us. By then, our (or their) debt would be anyone's guess, income levels would be at rock bottom and the way out for them would be to simply write off the debt and sell for a nominal amount to anyone that would have us. Local businessmen hopefully with the club at their heart.

As business people, I think Venky's are as hard nosed and thick skinned as they come. They wouldn't have any pride to swallow if that scenario arose and I honestly feel that they would simply get rid.

I have posted previously that Venky's tenure at the club is, and has been so far, like death by a thousand cuts. The problem is that we are only at cut three hundred and ten and there's another six hundred and ninety to go. But are we? Well if two relegations ensue, we could be rid of them as early as the summer of 2018.

I know two relegations will be hard to swallow, of that there is no doubt. I would however take it in a heart beat if it meant us being rid of the chicken farmers. If we could 'do a Rangers' it would be fantastic. I know our circumstances would be entirely different to those of Rangers but, if local business men could step in when we were at our lowest ebb and lead us back up the leagues, what a story it would be.

I have had a feeling of doom about the Rovers certainly since we were relegated from the PL and definitely since it has become apparent that Venky's aren't going anywhere in a hurry. In outlining the above, I actually feel a bit of optimism creeping in. I feel it's the way to go and the only feasible way we'll rid ourselves of them.

[The_Expert]

It is an unpleasant thought, but then again, the end result is exactly what any Rovers fan who has been disenfranchised by these idiot nio-marks from Pune would want.

Seconded CLB. Fair play for showing us some light at the end of our very dark (no pun intended) tunnel.

[DE.]

I actually think League One could be the trigger point. As it stands, I'm sure they are stupid and naive enough to think we could have a fluke season and get promoted - especially as GB got us so close to the playoffs a few years back.

Once we drop to L1 that prospect becomes a lot dimmer. I hope desperately that this would be the point where they say enough is enough, but the question is exactly how they proceed when this point is reached. Best case scenario, they write off their debt and sell us for a nominal fee. The worst case scenario doesn't bare thinking about.

[Iceman]

there have been many who said in the past, that they would take relegation, administration, basically anything if it meant Venkys got lost.

[Oldgregg86]

what ever it takes by any means necessary

[matt83]

My stance on this hasn't changed I'd rather support rovers without venkys even if means playing the dog and duck. For a local club again not a Venky toy I will support them both vocally and financially. This Venky infected club who I no longer view as rovers will get neither

It's all hypothetical obviously but if league two was an offer guaranteeing their departure I'd rip your arm off at that.

[tomphil]

Not sure they'll ever get rid of it because of the skeletons. Club somehow has to be taken away from them, if it hasn't been already by the BOI

[arbitro]

I have said for some time now Mark that I would take League Two or even National Conference to be shut of the virus that has been around Rovers for a few years. In my opinion there has been an inevitability about this for a few years now and to have football club to which we all feel like we belong to will be a happy day for lots of us. If it does happen there would be a need for the fanbase to unite and organisations like the Rovers Trust and perhaps Seneca to take the lead.

The sooner Venkys crawl back down the hole from which they appeared the better.

[47er]

I look forward to it Arbitro! Fans would unite around that.

Want a club to be proud of once again. Pride of Lancashire!

[G Somerset Rover]

I actually think League One could be the trigger point. As it stands, I'm sure they are stupid and naive enough to think we could have a fluke season and get promoted - especially as GB got us so close to the playoffs a few years back.

Once we drop to L1 that prospect becomes a lot dimmer. I hope desperately that this would be the point where they say enough is enough, but the question is exactly how they proceed when this point is reached. Best case scenario, they write off their debt and sell us for a nominal fee. The worst case scenario doesn't bare thinking about.

This is my hope and expectation too. League 1/2 there surely isn't much difference to these loons. If they don't sell up/put us into administration in League 1 (should we go down of course) then I don't think they ever will.

I think like you DE that they're hanging onto us in the Championship in the event that somehow we manage the night on impossible.

[broadsword]

I doubt they'd sell us even then.

I think they'll just let us rot. Either out of spite or pig-headedness or a desire to keep the bodies buried or helpless inertia. Or a combination of the above.

I would take anything to be rid of them. They've turned this club into a weeping sore.

Waste of skin the lot of them. Clueless parasites

[JHRover]

I doubt they'd sell us even then.

I think they'll just let us rot. Either out of spite or pig-headedness or a desire to keep the bodies buried or helpless inertia. Or a combination of the above.

I would take anything to be rid of them. They've turned this club into a weeping sore.

Waste of skin the lot of them. Clueless parasites

I'm on the same page. I don't think there's any intention or desire from them to let the club go. I think they would more likely continue with cost cutting across the board until losses were down to the £5 million per year level (this is the level of 'investment' mentioned when they bought the club and probably represents an acceptable level to a company their size rather than £20 million+ per year).

One thing they seem to have been remarkably consistent with since they arrived has been their determination to keep the club. Flat out refusal to discuss a sale, or part sale, to anyone. They've always ensured that bills have been paid to avoid the club being taken to Court or going into administration. They even pretended to have not even received an approach for the club from Seneca when it was obvious to everyone that a proposal had been made. Maintaining control has been a constant for them since the word go.

The only hope we have on that front is that the BOI or their other partners apply sufficient pressure, but I don't think that will happen.

If they reject offers to help after 4 years in the Championship and £100 million of losses then when will they accept offers? Never, in my opinion.

[BlooBoy]

I look forward to it Arbitro! Fans would unite around that.

Want a club to be proud of once again. Pride of Lancashire!

I think "some" fans would unite around that but dont forget to factor in losing other fans due to the fact we d be playing lower league football.

[sambo]

I'd love them to go and would accept going down to get my club back.

However, would a lot of the fans come back? Some would, but many will have found other things to do with their weekend, or wouldn't be prepared to shell out for League 2 football. It's been done to death I know, but most fans would only return if Venky's exited AND the football was good - heck, most would return if only the latter was true (and yes, I know Venkys are the reason the football is cr@p!)

[BlooBoy]

I'd love them to go and would accept going down to get my club back.

However, would a lot of the fans come back? Some would, but many will have found other things to do with their weekend, or wouldn't be prepared to shell out for League 2 football. It's been done to death I know, but most fans would only return if Venky's exited AND the football was good - heck, most would return if only the latter was true (and yes, I know Venkys are the reason the football is cr@p!)

I agree.

A comparison of sorts is Accrington Stanley.Went out of business ,started again in the lower leagues made it back into the Football League and then wondered where are all the fans?

The facts are they lost a generation of supporters to the likes of Blackburn/Burnley. They are not going to go back to Stanley. Rovers could easily suffer the same ,younger fans would/could look elsewhere. The average age on here seems to be around fifty (wink) and aint going to be around forever.As you say other fans would nt even contemplate lower league football.

Yes lets get rid of Venkys (we all want that ) but believe me if we re in the lower leagues dont expect a mass return to Ewood (if we re still at Ewood)

[mhead]

Yes its keeping a supply of the young fans as the 60s/70s supporters drop off the conveyor belt.

But hell most supporters now are of the non-Premier League vintage.Pre-92 are still only in their 30s with children now.

We have been thru such a roller coaster of supporting OUR Club and wasn't the 75 Season and the Full Members Cup win so wonderful?

[Claytons Left Boot]

Yes lets get rid of Venkys (we all want that ) but believe me if we re in the lower leagues dont expect a mass return to Ewood (if we re still at Ewood)

There would not be an 'en masse' return but there would be a return. If Venky's were still in charge, say bottom of League One or in League Two, I would think gates would be around the 5k mark. If they then departed, gates may go up a thousand or so but any further increases would be dependent upon promotion and progress back up the leagues.

Regarding the issue of why Venky's won't just go, I feel there is a big element of status for them. Obviously owning a team in the PL offers the greater status but there is still some attached to doing the same with a Championship club. Barry Bling seems to court attention and I'd certainly put him in the 'hey look at me' crowd. By the time we hit League Two, that won't be there any more, the novelty will finally have worn off and I am sincerely hoping the Raos will be looking to offload us.

[Waggy76]

If this is too become reality , then bring it on !

[broadsword]

Questions:-

1. Do you think Venky's will still be here in 10 years' time?

2. If they are, what division will we be in?

For me:

1. Yes

2. Non-league

[Stuart]

Astute business people however thick skinned do not put personal pride ahead of success and will frequently cut their losses and put it down to experience.

[Claytons Left Boot]

Questions:-

1. Do you think Venky's will still be here in 10 years' time?

2. If they are, what division will we be in?

For me:

1. Yes

2. Non-league

1. No

2. n/a

If they are still here in ten years, we are a non league club and the fans have meekly shrugged their shoulders and accepted their fate, then we the fans deserve everything coming to us.

[Stuart]

1. No

2. n/a

If they are still here in ten years, we are a non league club and the fans have meekly shrugged their shoulders and accepted their fate, then we the fans deserve everything coming to us.

After 5 years of pillaging, selling any player of value to stay running (whilst somehow racking up a £100m debt - and still rising), this club needs rebuilding.

Until Venkys leave that rebuilding cannot start.

Meanwhile we are in limbo, with fans dealing with it however they can - either ignoring it and watching the football, or walking away in disgust.

I'm not even sure that relegation will see them off. More likely is if their other businesses start to fail and they need to cut us loose.

Personally I hope they end up financially like they are morally.

Bankrupt.

[Iceman]

Questions:-

1. Do you think Venky's will still be here in 10 years' time?

2. If they are, what division will we be in?

For me:

1. Yes

2. Non-league

Hell if we continue like this for another year, then the fans really need to take a look at themselves in the mirror, and ask, "are we going to allow Venkys to continue destroying Uncle Jacks club?"

We and i include myself in this, even though im unable to protest, have really let the big man down. How sad is it, that they have run this club into the ground, almost to the point of administration and become a joke for others to laugh at.

Venkys and Cheston are a disgrace, and the Walker family an even bigger disgrace to sit there and do nothing or to say nothing on the matter. I am totally disappointed at what has become of the club.

[broadsword]

Protesting changes nothing.

They'll only do something of it suits them. Whatever happens with rovers, life goes on as usual for them.

They're not motivated by making a success of the club because it would mean putting in more cash before seeing any more come back. They don't feel any moral obligation to put us back where we were.

Its difficult to know what they're thinking. But it seems rather obvious that they just do not care.

They don't care and aren't feeling any heart from their incompetence. I can't see them setpoint the club even if Ewood gets burned down to the ground

[47er]

No-one can foretell the future but I don't believe another 2 relegations would necessarily unpick the Venky's stubborn lock.

My reasoning goes back to a post from Glen Mullen some weeks ago.

In it he stated that when Kean was given a four year contract extension they were clauses in there that specified his salary and bonuses depending on what league we were in.

In other words, Venkys were prepared for us to go down to League 2 with a set salary stipulated for Kean who would have been responsible for taking us there! No thought of sacking him!

So they did know all about relegation!

Remember, we were in the Premier League at the time!

When you think of that, there seems to be no hope of them selling.