[Archived] Meeting With The Club - Brfcs Attendees ?

[Roverall]

How dare anyone criticise His Holiness Parson Chamberlain! It's an outrage! Don't you know that he has attended lots of reserve games?!

I mean really...

[47er]

The writing was on the wall for Parson when he vehemently defended Bowyer in spite of our league position. If I recall, he postulated that Bowyer should only have been sacked once we started to get cut adrift in the relegation zone. I'm guessing he has some kind of vested interest at the club, as that would be the only rational explanation for such a misguided stance.

Look, I have no knowledge of that and have never suspected it. In the end it doesn't have to be rational at all, could be emotional

"I've always gone with my mates and l'm going to keep going". "My Dad went and my Grandad went and I want my children to be as bonkers as I am" etc.

I can relate to all that because my Dad did go and his Dad too. It's still not right in the present circumstances imo.

I think rather than worrying what Parson has to say, those that want to bring about change should just crack on without him and leave him to it.

He clearly doesn't agree with a lot on here about what's happening and that's up to him. I can't get on board with his opinion, but he's still got the right to that opinion, whether the majority agree or not.

All these attempts to get him on board with the majority just remind me of Jehova's witnesses canvassing, trying to convert people....

I'm not trying to get him on board, I'm just telling him what I think of him! (As nicely as possible!)

[blueboy3333]

The writing was on the wall for Parson when he vehemently defended Bowyer in spite of our league position. If I recall, he postulated that Bowyer should only have been sacked once we started to get cut adrift in the relegation zone. I'm guessing he has some kind of vested interest at the club, as that would be the only rational explanation for such a misguided stance.

If he doesn't think the same as you about BRFC it's because he has a vested interest?

Bulletproof reasoning.

[Amo]

Look, I have no knowledge of that and have never suspected it. In the end it doesn't have to be rational at all, could be emotional

"I've always gone with my mates and l'm going to keep going". "My Dad went and my Grandad went and I want my children to be as bonkers as I am" etc.

I can relate to all that because my Dad did go and his Dad too. It's still not right in the present circumstances imo.

There are plenty of fans with deep, emotional ties who have joined in with boycotts and protests.

And what does that have to do with the blind support for Bowyer?

[Gav]

The writing was on the wall for Parson when he vehemently defended Bowyer in spite of our league position. If I recall, he postulated that Bowyer should only have been sacked once we started to get cut adrift in the relegation zone. I'm guessing he has some kind of vested interest at the club, as that would be the only rational explanation for such a misguided stance.

I never wanted to sack Bowyer either because I doubted the clubs ability to replace him with anyone better, whilst being initially proven wrong, we are now worse off, with a worse manager and significantly worse players.

[blueboy3333]

There are plenty of fans with deep, emotional ties who have joined in with boycotts and protests.

And what does that have to do with the blind support for Bowyer?

Nobody can doubt your dedication to the cause. You've been boycotting all your life.

[Amo]

Nobody can doubt your dedication to the cause. You've been boycotting all your life.

Shouldn't you be busy getting someone fired?

[Gav]

Direct audio proof (as opposed to previous assumption) of the poor attitude the directors have towards the fans.

It still leaves me gobsmacked tbh. Imagine the likes of Williams, Finn, or Goodman threatening court action because a question needed an answer. Just wouldn't happen.

Rob Coar has spoken many times in private about the situation with venkys and how he supports their running of the club, nothing new here, I don't need to hear proof, its common knowledge Mike.

I maintain it was pointless, and its about time the fans took a stand and told them to shove their meeting and get protesting, because attending did nothing more than prove we're still dancing to the clubs tune and thats the way they'll see it, Coars threats proved that.

[47er]

There are plenty of fans with deep, emotional ties who have joined in with boycotts and protests.

And what does that have to do with the blind support for Bowyer?

Nothing at all! I commented on that at the time. But what sort of "vested interest"could he have?

Why don't you PM him?

[den]

Rob Coar has spoken many times in private about the situation with venkys and how he supports their running of the club, nothing new here, I don't need to hear proof, its common knowledge Mike.

I maintain it was pointless, and its about time the fans took a stand and told them to shove their meeting and get protesting, because attending did nothing more than prove we're still dancing to the clubs tune and thats the way they'll see it, Coars threats proved that.

You'd made your mind up that it was pointless beforehand Gav. Nothing would have changed that.

Well, the LT put the gist of the meeting into print for more people to read than read this site. It's also there to be heard word for word. They can see and hear for themselves now, how no one at the club accepts there's any real problem and the club's being run the same way as Jack Walker ran it. They can now all read that the people in charge at the club can't speak to the owners directly and that's a problem for Coyle. They know that Coyle lied about never having heard about SEM - and they might wonder why he needed to say that in the first place. They also know how at least one of the board members doesn't like to be questioned about what he's done to protect the club against the goings on of the past 6 years......etc, etc.

It's exposure Gav. It's about getting the truth out to as many people as possible. I don't understand how people think this shouldn't happen.

[Mike E]

Rob Coar has spoken many times in private about the situation with venkys and how he supports their running of the club, nothing new here, I don't need to hear proof, its common knowledge Mike.

I maintain it was pointless, and its about time the fans took a stand and told them to shove their meeting and get protesting, because attending did nothing more than prove we're still dancing to the clubs tune and thats the way they'll see it, Coars threats proved that.

'Common knowledge', 'privately'.

Now it's proven publicly. Little things like that make a big difference in terms of credibility of our campaign. Rather than hearsay and rumour, it is now publicly documented.

This first meeting (at the very least) had to have attendance as showing that the fans WANT to be on board but are being pushed away. Had fan groups not attended, it'd look like we're not bothered, which the club could twist as 'all is rosy'.

I say do whatever we can to make the club make themselves look uncaring, rather than fans.

[tomphil]

We know Parson is close to the club so I think there is always an element of him defending his mates on here without actually saying it. I don't know why people get so angry about it because he'll never back down but he should just admit it and save himself a lot of grief.

Anyway Chaddy will be back soon to take some of the heat no doubt

[blueboy3333]

Shouldn't you be busy getting someone fired?

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[mustard]

Just sipping tea from one of my Rovers mugs. This one has Uncle Jack holding the Premiership trophy alongside Shearer on it. Just makes me so angry and sad thinking of where we are now, but even worse when reflecting on Bob Coar's comments from the meeting. "See you in court"... I wonder, if Uncle Jack was Judge and Juror, what the verdict would be on you, Mr. Coar...

[MGAndy]

Can you tell me anything worthwhile that came out of that meeting?

Glen went home and felt invigorated enough to get up at 3am to say...right guys...lets do this.

What you have been waiting for pal.

And Mark & Paul finally got to meet and hassle R2C

[ABBEY]

You'd made your mind up that it was pointless beforehand Gav. Nothing would have changed that.

Well, the LT put the gist of the meeting into print for more people to read than read this site. It's also there to be heard word for word. They can see and hear for themselves now, how no one at the club accepts there's any real problem and the club's being run the same way as Jack Walker ran it. They can now all read that the people in charge at the club can't speak to the owners directly and that's a problem for Coyle. They know that Coyle lied about never having heard about SEM - and they might wonder why he needed to say that in the first place. They also know how at least one of the board members doesn't like to be questioned about what he's done to protect the club against the goings on of the past 6 years......etc, etc.

It's exposure Gav. It's about getting the truth out to as many people as possible. I don't understand how people think this shouldn't happen.

It proved what a lying turd coyle is

[Gav]

You'd made your mind up that it was pointless beforehand Gav. Nothing would have changed that.

Well, the LT put the gist of the meeting into print for more people to read than read this site. It's also there to be heard word for word. They can see and hear for themselves now, how no one at the club accepts there's any real problem and the club's being run the same way as Jack Walker ran it. They can now all read that the people in charge at the club can't speak to the owners directly and that's a problem for Coyle. They know that Coyle lied about never having heard about SEM - and they might wonder why he needed to say that in the first place. They also know how at least one of the board members doesn't like to be questioned about what he's done to protect the club against the goings on of the past 6 years......etc, etc.

It's exposure Gav. It's about getting the truth out to as many people as possible. I don't understand how people think this shouldn't happen.

I also made up my mind when the FF went to Pune and returned with fantastic stories of us being champions league again, seems I'm on a bit of a roll in calling it before these meetings take place, the same will occur if they get an audience with the new Venky stooge.

As for the rest of the your post, its old news, most of which has been in the local paper over the past 6yrs, full exposed already. Coyle denied saying he'd never heard of SEM, so what?

Sleepwalking our way to oblivion whilst we keep talking to these people.

At other clubs Cheston, Pasha and Coar would need police escorts to get in and out of the ground after whats going on here, they actually think they're doing great jobs.

Agnew and Shaw should have been run out of town but got a free ride, its embarrassing and all we do is keep talking.

Glen went home and felt invigorated enough to get up at 3am to say...right guys...lets do this.

What you have been waiting for pal.

And Mark & Paul finally got to meet and hassle R2C

I think that was already on the cards AndyW, but if not great

I just hope when the next farcical meeting comes around people learn from the many that have gone before, and stop jumping to the clubs tune, but i doubt it.

[SoldierMo]

Coar out

[Neal]

Although I had a heated debate with Parson yesterday about our current plight and this site is of course about debate... I think debating with Parson about his point of view has become a pointless excercise, he has his views and they wont change. He's no more important than any other fan so the attention his posts get seems a little OTT. At this point after the past few years we know where many of us stand with regards to protesting and its pretty clear where fans like Parson are. I'm past the point of wasting energy on these types and i'm sure Parson must be starting starting to feel the same.

[Paul]

"I just decided I don't trust you anymore"

Not you Len. But what a great lyric.

This movement will only gain momentum when it realises it needs to stop trying to convert everyone and start trying to attract more people who want to protest or become vocal. It's been that way since day one. All the fan base has done in that time is divide itself. It's clearly not easy, just like in an election you'll not win all the votes. Stop concentrating on individuals and start thinking about how to win more votes (so to speak) IMO. The trick is how to do it.

Best post on this subject for a long time but I doubt it will have the impact it should.

[eddy11d]

The writing was on the wall for Parson when he vehemently defended Bowyer in spite of our league position. If I recall, he postulated that Bowyer should only have been sacked once we started to get cut adrift in the relegation zone. I'm guessing he has some kind of vested interest at the club, as that would be the only rational explanation for such a misguided stance.

I think this has been clear for a while. He was definitely mates with Bowyer and it now looks like he's mates with Coar as well. Does he work for the club?

[Neal]

Best post on this subject for a long time but I doubt it will have the impact it should.

Really? I'd say some including myself in the past have been pretty diplomatic about getting potential protesters on side, the reason why people like me are getting frustrated is because it seems no matter what happens or how diplomatic you are they still dont react. What do these people want? Have their hands held and theor heads stroked? Be @#/? men and fight for what you believe in! If people dont have it in them then thats their problem... It just seems some would rather look for excuses and point the finger blaming other fans than stand up and be counted.

[Leonard Venkhater]

"I just decided I don't trust you anymore"

Not you Len. But what a great lyric.

This movement will only gain momentum when it realises it needs to stop trying to convert everyone and start trying to attract more people who want to protest or become vocal. It's been that way since day one. All the fan base has done in that time is divide itself. It's clearly not easy, just like in an election you'll not win all the votes. Stop concentrating on individuals and start thinking about how to win more votes (so to speak) IMO. The trick is how to do it.

I think you are dead right.Leadership/hearts and minds etc. We cannot afford to indulge our frustration with people who don't get it, We have to point out key facts and focus on the pattern etc and , above all, try not to alienate by our comments and choice of protest( clearly, this won't always be possibe, but it should be a consideration, when choosing options.)

I was almost shocked at the panel's arrogant attempts to normalise this malaise as "business as usual".There really is so little acknowledgement.

Coyle is dangerously plausible and almost convincing, but we do need a questioning style to cut through his meaningless babble.

They are taking us down, simple as that and Coyle is the man to do it. I almost worry that he has convinced himself that there is a positive agenda and road ahead, but I don't buy it. We must also beware of the old "fresh start"chestnut and keep our eyes on the pattern.This is so like the 2011-12 kamikaze behaviour.

[Paul]

Really? I'd say some including myself in the past have been pretty diplomatic about getting potential protesters on side, the reason why people like me are getting frustrated is because it seems no matter what happens or how diplomatic you are they still dont react. What do these people want? Have their hands held and theor heads stroked? Be @#/? men and fight for what you believe in! If people dont have it in them then thats their problem... It just seems some would rather look for excuses and point the finger blaming other fans than stand up and be counted.

Diplomatic? You really believe that? The adjectives you use to describe people who hold a different view mean I don't bother to read your posts.

Now that in itself may or may not be important but it demonstrates the language and approach you chose to use mean there is no likelihood of me even reading your opinion let alone being influenced by it.

The relentless hounding of a few individuals for holding a different view is entirely counterproductive. Persuading parsonblue to change his view will have no more impact on persuading Venky's to leave than howling at the moon. He's one person expressing a view on a website read by a very narrow and almost self-selecting group of fans.

[ABBEY]

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