[Archived] Birmingham's Biggest Club V The Rovers

[47er]

Quite frankly, it is up to each individual to do as they please.

Individualism or selfishness?

[Hasta]

I don't think I have called anyone out about trying to bring about change. Quite frankly, it is up to each individual to do as they please. If people want to boycott, I have no problem with that. If people want to join in the 1875 protest I have no problem with that. If folk want to support the players on the pitch for 90 minutes I have no problem with that either. How can there be a problem if people are doing what they believe is the right thing for them.

And if people can see a manager completely inadequate and out of his depth then then they well voice displeasure at him. As someone has said, he's getting abused because he's useless, the Burnley thing is just a stick to beat him with. Both himself and the club knew that stick could be wielded when they employed him despite his atrocious managerial record.

However you say it doesn't look good in the media but the way you come across isn't that you are bothered that any anti-Venkys sentiment will be painted as Rovers fans against ex-Burnley manager. It reads as though you are annoyed that some people are calling him and not "appy applauding" when we are a goal behind and stuck in the bottom three.

[Leonard Venkhater]

Precisely - I'm not one for conspiracy as many here know, but I can see some potential in the decision to choose him being based around that - he takes all the heat off the buffoons running the club, and all support from the media goes to Coyle as opposed the fan base....

Yes, possibly a master stroke by the owners. Generally,however, despite the appalling results, they haven't managed to get the fans to deflect all their ire onto Coyle. Indeed, Coyle, himself, has had a surprisingly easy ride so far..I am not sure that will hold, as performances and results continue to be poor..

[tomphil]

Having not gone to birmingham I really can't comment on the abuse coyle allegedly got. But with the one man and his dog who follows rovers these days how bad was it?

With the numbers the way they are I can't believe it could have been heard by anyone other than in the immediate vicinity of the away end let alone by coyle himself.

The Burnley stuff makes him an easy target but as with Kean before him forget about the superficial stuff like lies, drunkard, etc etc etc etc it was the results that were the main cause for abuse and it's the same for coyle he's cop it for Burnley links but it's the results that will cause the wrath.

Some stuff came across loud and clear on the radio although I did have it turned up high in the garage but you could hear it perfectly.

Yes, possibly a master stroke by the owners. Generally,however, despite the appalling results, they haven't managed to get the fans to deflect all their ire onto Coyle. Indeed, Coyle, himself, has had a surprisingly easy ride so far..I am not sure that will hold, as performances and results continue to be poor..

Lets not forget his nice long odds as well......

[JohnD]

Let's also remember just how professional bookies are and that they excel at spotting a surge in betting when none usually exist.

[Parsonblue]

Individualism or selfishness?

I don't think people are being selfish by not supporting the team on matchdays - surely it is individual choice. Everyone has the right to boycott or attend, as I say, individual choice. It would be a dull old world if we all thought and did the same.

[tomphil]

Let's also remember just how professional bookies are and that they excel at spotting a surge in betting when none usually exist.

Let's face it if it happens in Asia they've no idea.

[JohnD]

Good grief are you serious?

[Hasta]

We've had this before. Tomphill thinks layers in Asia are stupid enough to stand huge bets on low-turnover markets such as a next manager market. I disagree.

[47er]

I don't think people are being selfish by not supporting the team on matchdays - surely it is individual choice. Everyone has the right to boycott or attend, as I say, individual choice. It would be a dull old world if we all thought and did the same.

You keep trotting out this individual freedom stuff all the time, its a cop-out. Margaret Thatcher would be proud of you and Donald Trump would too. Look at where its got us.

Great things are achieved when people act together. Wimbledon did it, Swansea did it, even little Accrington(whom we will soon be playing).

[tomphil]

Good grief are you serious?

Are you ? I find that very hard to believe.

We've had this before. Tomphill thinks layers in Asia are stupid enough to stand huge bets on low-turnover markets such as a next manager market. I disagree.

Doesn't have to huge though just back pocket money to a bunch of business men/fraudsters/con artists or whatever you want to call them.

[Hasta]

Are you ? I find that very hard to believe.

Doesn't have to huge though just back pocket money to a bunch of business men/fraudsters/con artists or whatever you want to call them.

I accept someone could have made a few quid off Coyle getting the job but it won't be a significant amount at all. Coyle has not been employed to make money at the bookies on his appointment. He's been employed because he's cheap and in my opinion because of who he knows and who he has had dealings with.

[AggyBlue]

Individualism or selfishness?

Depends on which side of the fence you're on

[Blue blood]

I accept someone could have made a few quid off Coyle getting the job but it won't be a significant amount at all. Coyle has not been employed to make money at the bookies on his appointment. He's been employed because he's cheap and in my opinion because of who he knows and who he has had dealings with.

And is happy to comply and further the project of asset stripping or "working within our budget"

[tomphil]

I accept someone could have made a few quid off Coyle getting the job but it won't be a significant amount at all. Coyle has not been employed to make money at the bookies on his appointment. He's been employed because he's cheap and in my opinion because of who he knows and who he has had dealings with.

I'm not alone in thinking like this though and I do think it plays a part along with the other stuff. It would be hard to resist filling your back pockets like this if you ran a club it's a perk of the job. This is a way of making personal back pocket money for yourself and your mates or co investors and it goes on just look at the Allardyce sacking and the bets laid on that a few hours before.

The clubs run on debt or corporation money but this is cash in the pocket and I refuse to accept you couldn't lay a good few grand spread betting without causing too many ripples.

[Gav]

We've had this before. Tomphill thinks layers in Asia are stupid enough to stand huge bets on low-turnover markets such as a next manager market. I disagree.

Just taking into account the last 2 managerial appointments.

Both Coyle and Lambert sat at 33/1 and 25/1 respectively at one stage in the betting, you bump a few hundred grand at those odds, or in some of the casinos in Macau a million upwards and you're talking massive returns.

So hardly low-turnover markets......

[tomphil]

Berg was long odds as well and I think Appleton may have been a decent number as well. Betting is rife in Asia especially amongst those types like the chuckles and friends.

We are told they use the club as their toy after all well it's a nice little toy for personal wealth whilst someone or something else picks up the tab of running it.

[47er]

Depends on which side of the fence you're on

Quite so but its an issue worth pondering over.

[Stuart]

I don't think people are being selfish by not supporting the team on matchdays - surely it is individual choice. Everyone has the right to boycott or attend, as I say, individual choice. It would be a dull old world if we all thought and did the same.

No town has a right to a football club though. When it is under threat people should fight for it, fans have a duty to fight for it, not sit back and hope for the best.

The first step in that fight is demonstrating the number of disaffected fans. You talk as though a walk out is the end game, and that it won't make them leave, when it's really on the start of the process.

Once it is confirmed as an official protest - an important point - anyone sat in the ground is demonstrating (whether they mean to or not) that they are happy with the current situation and, by extension, support Venkys continuing as owners of Blackburn Rovers.

[ABBEY]

They ain't professional tho

[philipl]

The turnover in the (legal) Hong Kong betting markets on the English game exceeds the combined income of the Premier League and the Champions League combined.

Then there is Macau, China, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka.... and the biggest illegal market of them all, India...

[Hasta]

Just taking into account the last 2 managerial appointments.

Both Coyle and Lambert sat at 33/1 and 25/1 respectively at one stage in the betting, you bump a few hundred grand at those odds, or in some of the casinos in Macau a million upwards and you're talking massive returns.

So hardly low-turnover markets......

The turnover in the (legal) Hong Kong betting markets on the English game exceeds the combined income of the Premier League and the Champions League combined.

Then there is Macau, China, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka.... and the biggest illegal market of them all, India...

The turnover may well be huge on the English game. I'm sure so many people bet in those markets that you could win £1mill on a team to win a game and there will be enough uninformed punters lumping on the other team for the bookie to ensure he can limit some liabilities.

However no matter how big English football betting is, if you try and win £1mill on a next manager market for a championship club, I don't for one second believe someone is going to stand it. They know they will not get enough bets on other runners in the market to limit liabilities.

I'm all for wondering about outcomes such as match betting, relegation setting and spot betting with regards to Rovers but managerial betting to win significant money? Not buying it.

[booth]

I agree with you Rev. I have no sympathy with him for results as that is his responsibility. My sympathy rests solely with him being given abuse for being an ex-Burnley manager. For me this simply allows the media to attack supporters for bringing up his Burnley connection rather than his won-loss record.

If that's really where your sympathy lies at this present moment, your over-riding emotion, you need to take a look at yourself.

[broadsword]

Bugger Owen coyle, I want my club back.

Boo hoo, people are shouting nasty things at him. Give him a tissue, soft lad.

How about the nasty things that are happening to Blackburn rovers? Guess it's not that important so long as you still have matches to go to on a Saturday afternoon.

If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem

[Stuart]

Bugger Owen coyle, I want my club back.

Beyond the call of duty that one, Bryan.

Fair play to you.