[Archived] Villa V Rovers

[Parsonblue]

We've had five already, 71-72, 72-73, 73-74, 74-75 & 79-80

Five seasons in our entire history, i.e. 141 years.

It took 96 years until we were relegated to the old Third Division for the first time.

Venky's will achieve the same 'feat' in just six and a half years.

Crikey, I must be getting forgetful to only remember five of those. As you say, unless something changes a sixth is on the cards. As arbitro said, losing can become a habit. Whilst we did play well at times yesterday you don't get points for playing well - it's all about results. At the moment we simply don't look like winning and until we can keep a clean sheet we aren't going to win. Sadly, we rarely look like doing this. We should have taken far more points than we have on our travels this season - sadly you don't get points for 'should have'.

[tomphil]

People keep mentioning 2 mill a month running costs and who would pick up the tab but fail to mention whilst those idiots are here they are causing a lot of these costs through their own dodgy running of the club. Any sensible new ownership with a plan cold probably halve that overnight for a start, yes there'd be cuts but measured ones.

Also that figure keeps getting plucked out of the air but with all the cutbacks that have gone on there is no way it should be losing that much now or in the near future so again it's just scaremongering.

But with all the changes and pay offs in managers/coaches/directors in the past 18 months and possibly more to come it's just Venkys constantly cutting with one gloved puppeted hand (Cheston) and wracking up more loses with the other.

So that cycle will never break until they are gone and to rebuild we'll have to take the consequences. Every other club survives somehow and we will. What's so attractive about hanging around the bottom of this league for the next 5 years at best anyway ???

[Parsonblue]

People keep mentioning 2 mill a month running costs and who would pick up the tab but fail to mention whilst those idiots are here they are causing a lot of these costs through their own dodgy running of the club. Any sensible new ownership with a plan cold probably halve that overnight for a start, yes there'd be cuts but measured ones.

Also that figure keeps getting plucked out of the air but with all the cutbacks that have gone on there is no way it should be losing that much now or in the near future so again it's just scaremongering.

But with all the changes and pay offs in managers/coaches/directors in the past 18 months and possibly more to come it's just Venkys constantly cutting with one gloved puppeted hand (Cheston) and wracking up more loses with the other.

So that cycle will never break until they are gone and to rebuild we'll have to take the consequences. Every other club survives somehow and we will. What's so attractive about hanging around the bottom of this league for the next 5 years at best anyway ???

The 2 mill a month is a fact from what I've heard. There are cutbacks underway at the moment but the running costs are far beyond just paying players. A category 1 Academy is expensive - which is why Bolton gave up their category onestatus. The Academy was the thing that Jack was most proud about and his real legacy. However, both training complexes at Brockhall employ many people besides what we see in terms of players. Likewise at Ewood, there are many people employed behind the scenes to keep the club running. Indeed, I would classify the club as a major employer in the town when Ewood, Brockhall and the Academy are taken into account. Jack built a large operation which needs to be financed. Sadly, one only has to look around Ewood to see how quickly the place can become somewhat shabby once cutbacks, on even the most basic maintenance, are introduced. Both Preston and Burnley don't run Under-23 teams in a competitive league whilst Bolton have opted to drop out of the elite divisions of Under-18 and Under-23 football. Sadly, any new owner is going to face some painful choices unless they have unlimited funds. Bringing this back on topic, I thought that yesterday showed just how threadbare the squad really is and certainly isn't strong enough to cope with injuries. The last three Under-23 games have also illustrated some obvious weaknesses with one or two lads struggling for form at that level and looking some way off being ready for the Championship, particularly as they would be coming into a team that is struggling for results.

[tomphil]

If they are pouring money into the U23's all of a sudden then it's for a reason and probably in their delusion they think it'll guarantee a large step up next season to fill out the squad after more sales to pay the bills and less loans in.

on paper a coaching staff of Johnson, Dunn & maybe Brown etc looks very strong and how many of our ilk are running like that in this div ? Not many I'd say but there must be a plan behind it and as we know any Venky plan is doomed from the start.

Although going back to yesterday and no Wharton when we are desperate kind of bucks that idea. No, forget it there is no plan !

Prepare for League 1 and a lengthy stay folks.

[MCMC1875]

If they are pouring money into the U23's all of a sudden then it's for a reason and probably in their delusion they think it'll guarantee a large step up next season to fill out the squad after more sales to pay the bills and less loans in.

on paper a coaching staff of Johnson, Dunn & maybe Brown etc looks very strong and how many of our ilk are running like that in this div ? Not many I'd say but there must be a plan behind it and as we know any Venky plan is doomed from the start.

Although going back to yesterday and no Wharton when we are desperate kind of bucks that idea. No, forget it there is no plan !

Prepare for League 1 and a lengthy stay folks.

Wharton gets new contract if he plays another game hence why he is not picked.

[blue kiwi]

thats ok parson but what about wharton,he can,t do any worse the the donkeys already playing at the back,but the club are stopping his progression because of a contract clause,thats a FACT from what ive heard.

[tomphil]

Wharton gets new contract if he plays another game hence why he is not picked.

Just doesn't make sense if they want a conveyor belt of players to grow and sell then he's first off the new production line. Just shows any plan there may ever be under this lot will always be doomed to failure.

Probably all down to the communication channels again awaiting final decision whilst Slasha flies between Blackburn, Zurich, Brunei collecting votes then awaits his audience with the chicken queen before making the reverse journey just to to show a simple thumb up or down.

Be a bit different if someone was on the blower offering a million for the lad the direct line to Pune towers would be open then. Nothing will ever work under this lot and they must go right now !

[Spalding Rover]

No way are we still paying out 2million a month, that was last year when we had a team, and some high earners. Should think Rhodes was on £200,000 a month. Plus goal bonus. Anyone of high earning has gone. We have half a team of loanees paying half maybe quarter of there weekly pay.

[1arC]

If they are pouring money into the U23's all of a sudden then it's for a reason and probably in their delusion they think it'll guarantee a large step up next season to fill out the squad after more sales to pay the bills and less loans in.

on paper a coaching staff of Johnson, Dunn & maybe Brown etc looks very strong and how many of our ilk are running like that in this div ? Not many I'd say but there must be a plan behind it and as we know any Venky plan is doomed from the start.

Although going back to yesterday and no Wharton when we are desperate kind of bucks that idea. No, forget it there is no plan !

Prepare for League 1 and a lengthy stay folks.

I can't see it being a lengthy stay, one season at the most. We will be heading or league two for the first time in our history next year, mark my words.

[1arC]

Just doesn't make sense if they want a conveyor belt of players to grow and sell then he's first off the new production line. Just shows any plan there may ever be under this lot will always be doomed to failure.

Probably all down to the communication channels again awaiting final decision whilst Slasha flies between Blackburn, Zurich, Brunei collecting votes then awaits his audience with the chicken queen before making the reverse journey just to to show a simple thumb up or down.

Be a bit different if someone was on the blower offering a million for the lad the direct line to Pune towers would be open then. Nothing will ever work under this lot and they must go right now !

Just think of the Wharton situation, this way and it is my theory this, rather than fact. Venky's tell Coyle and Cheston that they have a monthly budget for wages and running costs and if they exceed this ceiling, then it affects their pay/bonus. They fill up the squad, with loans and free signings and hit the level, that ensure that they keep their agreed level of wage. Anything more spent on a monthly basis, now reduces what they themselves earn and there is no way they will run with that. They meet to discuss the increase in monthly expenditure, if they agree to Wharton playing another game and reach an agreement that they would rather keep their salary at the current level, than give the lad a chance and give the team a chance. The fans will never know and lets face it, our weekends aren't ruined by a bad result, like the fans is.

[J*B]

The 2m a month was after we paid off Leon Best. It's well below that figure now. If someone came in they could get rid of Pasha, Cheston and run it themselves, saving even more money.

Just watched the Villa equaliser from yesterday. Embarrassing.

[tomphil]

Just think of the Wharton situation, this way and it is my theory this, rather than fact. Venky's tell Coyle and Cheston that they have a monthly budget for wages and running costs and if they exceed this ceiling, then it affects their pay/bonus. They fill up the squad, with loans and free signings and hit the level, that ensure that they keep their agreed level of wage. Anything more spent on a monthly basis, now reduces what they themselves earn and there is no way they will run with that. They meet to discuss the increase in monthly expenditure, if they agree to Wharton playing another game and reach an agreement that they would rather keep their salary at the current level, than give the lad a chance and give the team a chance. The fans will never know and lets face it, our weekends aren't ruined by a bad result, like the fans is.

They also seem to have made Feeney and Akpan first choice of non enforced subs no matter what's happeing on the park so that's looking a bit suss. I agree on the weekly budget thing for sure and that's been happening since Kean imo and you could be right if there is maybe a bonus to the manager for keeping it a low as poss.

There is certainly no points related bonus system evident at Ewood that's for sure ...

[1arC]

Keep towing the line Owen and we won't sack you. As has been said on numerous occasions, it is not about winning football matches, but about other matters, including monthly cost.

[chaddyrovers]

Wharton should of been playing yesterday instead of Greer. Greer looks tired. Was signed as a back up.

[Athlete]

Wharton should of been playing yesterday instead of Greer. Greer looks tired. Was signed as a back up.

if he plays he triggers a pay increase...hence he wont play...........

[1arC]

if he plays he triggers a pay increase...hence he wont play...........

Money a lot more important than points, simple as that.

[Parsonblue]

Wharton should of been playing yesterday instead of Greer. Greer looks tired. Was signed as a back up.

Like all young players Scott has suffered a loss of form at the moment. The last three away games for the Under-23's have not been his best performances by a long way. He is not alone in that. One or two are struggling for form at the moment which is what happens with young players. Last season Nyambe had a real dip in form but has come good again this season. To put Wharton in a struggling team when he himself is struggling for form wouldn't do him any favours.

[LDRover]

Lowe has struggled for form for 6 years yet he's still first name on the teamsheet.

[Hasta]

Like all young players Scott has suffered a loss of form at the moment. The last three away games for the Under-23's have not been his best performances by a long way. He is not alone in that. One or two are struggling for form at the moment which is what happens with young players. Last season Nyambe had a real dip in form but has come good again this season. To put Wharton in a struggling team when he himself is struggling for form wouldn't do him any favours.

Or maybe he's suffered a loss of form because he's been given a chance, done quite well and then been ditched for contractual reasons while loanees and injury prone journey men are brought it. Hardly great for his motivation.

[Amo]

Like all young players Scott has suffered a loss of form at the moment. The last three away games for the Under-23's have not been his best performances by a long way. He is not alone in that. One or two are struggling for form at the moment which is what happens with young players. Last season Nyambe had a real dip in form but has come good again this season. To put Wharton in a struggling team when he himself is struggling for form wouldn't do him any favours.

You're trying to rationalise as if we're a normal football club and not a complete basketcase.

[USABlue]

Found myself wondering how much money could be made if, with Rovers 1-0 up, a bet was made for Villa to win the game.

But he says they're no chance we'll go down. Surely he isn't lying to us?

Steve Kean said the same.

[USABlue]

Why wasn't the Brown wage used to pay young Scott Wharton? At least we would have him on the pitch.

Because it would not line the right pockets.

Why wasn't the Brown wage used to pay young Scott Wharton? At least we would have him on the pitch.

Because it would not line the right pockets.

[USABlue]

Wharton gets new contract if he plays another game hence why he is not picked.

But surely if he is on the fringes we should give him a contract. Isn't there a potential profit for Venkies here? Are they so stupid they can't even see that.

[alcd]

If they are pouring money into the U23's all of a sudden then it's for a reason and probably in their delusion they think it'll guarantee a large step up next season to fill out the squad after more sales to pay the bills and less loans in.

on paper a coaching staff of Johnson, Dunn & maybe Brown etc looks very strong and how many of our ilk are running like that in this div ? Not many I'd say but there must be a plan behind it and as we know any Venky plan is doomed from the start.

Although going back to yesterday and no Wharton when we are desperate kind of bucks that idea. No, forget it there is no plan !

Prepare for League 1 and a lengthy stay folks.

Why are they bothering with all these youth/reserve teams when the its products - Wharton, Mahoney etc- are ignored and frozen out?

[1864roverite]

Just a point on Jason Lowe, he has never had any form other than POOR FORM.

Not a leader

Not a right back

BUT a waste of a shirt in the squad

This man alone (its not personal but realtime) has cost us at least 9 points already this season