[Archived] Coyle Out

[arbitro]

very much agreed with this

surely players at 17-20 years old need a older head/mentor. Brown has a lot of experience to past on to younger players about both the mental side and playing side of the game. I don't see what the problem is with specialist coaching at that age level with his level of experience and knowledge.

Johnson and Dunn are doing very well at the minute

Tom, you know that if some people are positive on this messageboard anybody they are very quickly called a Venky lover or a agent by people.

it been like this for a while and probably why people posting a lot on here are down. I have cut down how many times I logged on the messageboard.

You are right by the Brown comments.

spot on there. 100 agreed

I think they have manufactured this position for Brown having given him a year long deal and realising that he isn't going to contribute much to the first team. And as I said in my opinion it grossly undermines Johnson and Dunn.

Have we ever had a specialist coach before for young players before? In fact has any club?

[chaddyrovers]

I think they have manufactured this position for Brown having given him a year long deal and realising that he isn't going to contribute much to the first team. And as I said in my opinion it grossly undermines Johnson and Dunn.

Have we ever had a specialist coach before for young players before? In fact has any club?

When he signed his deal here it did say in the article that he would be working with under 23's aswell. Brown has vast experience including international and champions league experience. Why wouldnt you want to use that sort of experience in developing young players.

And I would be in favour of using specialist coaching in developing other players like Shearer or Gallagher coaching/talking to Lewis Mansell, etc. So much they can learn from these types of former players

[Athlete]

When he signed his deal here it did say in the article that he would be working with under 23's aswell. Brown has vast experience including international and champions league experience. Why wouldnt you want to use that sort of experience in developing young players.

And I would be in favour of using specialist coaching in developing other players like Shearer or Gallagher coaching/talking to Lewis Mansell, etc. So much they can learn from these types of former players

Well the specialist coaching isn't paying dividends.. If you care to take those blue and white specs off the league table has us bottom three.. The league table never lies.. No theory no excuse no blame whatsoever alters the fact we're in the bottom three

[Leonard Venkhater]

Well the specialist coaching isn't paying dividends.. If you care to take those blue and white specs off the league table has us bottom three.. The league table never lies.. No theory no excuse no blame whatsoever alters the fact we're in the bottom three

I am no Nostradamus, but, honestly, this was so predictable long before the season began.

Poor planning, poor managerial appointment, sales, cheap loanee replacements etc.It seemed to be a repeat of the behaviour in summer 2011. Result: relegation. Deliberate? It certainly looks that way...

[Amo]

And I would be in favour of using specialist coaching in developing other players like Shearer or Gallagher coaching/talking to Lewis Mansell, etc. So much they can learn from these types of former players

Sounds good in theory but former stars rarely make great coaches or managers. They can pass on a few pointers, I guess, but there's more to modern coaching than that.That's why most of them get gigs spouting platitudes on the box.

And if Shearer's banal punditry is any indication, he's the last person we want coaching our youth team.

[tomphil]

I think they have manufactured this position for Brown having given him a year long deal and realising that he isn't going to contribute much to the first team. And as I said in my opinion it grossly undermines Johnson and Dunn.

Have we ever had a specialist coach before for young players before? In fact has any club?

He's probably being paid by Rovers whilst taking his coaching badges or something and this is all part of it. I personally think he signed in summer but got injured straight away so there was egg on faces and they've weaved their way through it like this. First and foremost he was coming as a player there was no mention of coaching until they announced he'd signed. I still don't expect he'll make much contribution to the first team as a player.

When he signed his deal here it did say in the article that he would be working with under 23's aswell. Brown has vast experience including international and champions league experience. Why wouldnt you want to use that sort of experience in developing young players.

And I would be in favour of using specialist coaching in developing other players like Shearer or Gallagher coaching/talking to Lewis Mansell, etc. So much they can learn from these types of former players

It's the first team that needs to investment in wages desperately at the moment. If they want specialists coaching the U23's as part of some grand scheme then they'd need to start with people other than Johnson & Dunn !

[arbitro]

When he signed his deal here it did say in the article that he would be working with under 23's aswell. Brown has vast experience including international and champions league experience. Why wouldnt you want to use that sort of experience in developing young players.

And I would be in favour of using specialist coaching in developing other players like Shearer or Gallagher coaching/talking to Lewis Mansell, etc. So much they can learn from these types of former players

If you were the manager of Blackburn Rovers would you have signed him?

[ABBEY]

If you were the manager of Blackburn Rovers would you have signed him?

If the establishment told him to then the answer is an emphatic yup

[Parsonblue]

I think they have manufactured this position for Brown having given him a year long deal and realising that he isn't going to contribute much to the first team. And as I said in my opinion it grossly undermines Johnson and Dunn.

Have we ever had a specialist coach before for young players before? In fact has any club?

In fairness arbitro when he signed it was announced that he would be working with Johnson and Dunn coaching the Under-23's. Brown doesn't always play but when he does there seems to be a positive response from the young lads around him. Far from undermining Johnson and Dunn they seem more than happy to have the older head on the pitch and the Under-23's, under their leadership, have been a joy to watch for the last eighteen months.

[Athlete]

In fairness arbitro when he signed it was announced that he would be working with Johnson and Dunn coaching the Under-23's. Brown doesn't always play but when he does there seems to be a positive response from the young lads around him. Far from undermining Johnson and Dunn they seem more than happy to have the older head on the pitch and the Under-23's, under their leadership, have been a joy to watch for the last eighteen months.

Maybe so but if a wage is being used up unnecessarily it doesn't matter one jot.. See the SW thread

[JAL]

No problem with Wes Brown doing some coaching but you've got to ask for how long has he been coaching to have built up and been labelled a specialist ?

Where's the results to justify this imaginery specialist tag.

[Doaksie]

Regarding specialist coaches, my only other recollection in recent memory at Rovers was when Paul Ince brought in his friend Nigel Winterburn as a specialist defensive coach. Funnily enough, under similar 'specialist' guidance, our defence was just as successful then as it is now.

[den]

Regarding specialist coaches, my only other recollection in recent memory at Rovers was when Paul Ince brought in his friend Nigel Winterburn as a specialist defensive coach. Funnily enough, under similar 'specialist' guidance, our defence was just as successful then as it is now.

Allardyce came in and sacked him. Said he could do that job himself.

[Doaksie]

Allardyce came in and sacked him. Said he could do that job himself.

Says it all Den

[den]

Says it all Den

It does.

[Parsonblue]

No problem with Wes Brown doing some coaching but you've got to ask for how long has he been coaching to have built up and been labelled a specialist ?

Where's the results to justify this imaginery specialist tag.

He has never be described as a specialist. He came as a player who would also help out with coaching the Under-23's. At no point - apart from on here - has anyone suggested he was appointed as a specialist coach. He is a player who has done his coaching badges and is looking to move into coaching when he finally stops playing.

[chaddyrovers]

Well the specialist coaching isn't paying dividends.. If you care to take those blue and white specs off the league table has us bottom three.. The league table never lies.. No theory no excuse no blame whatsoever alters the fact we're in the bottom three

Is Brown working with the 1st team coaching wise?

who said he is specialist? That's the term being used on here and not by Rovers or Brown from what I have read in the public domain

I would said Brown is more of mentor/ a guy for young players to speak to and past on advice and his experience from the higher levels of football

Sounds good in theory but former stars rarely make great coaches or managers. They can pass on a few pointers, I guess, but there's more to modern coaching than that.That's why most of them get gigs spouting platitudes on the box.

And if Shearer's banal punditry is any indication, he's the last person we want coaching our youth team.

Lewis Mansell would learn a lot from working with someone like Shearer or Gallagher for one session a week. whether it just talking to him for advice on finishing or hold up play or just working one on one a week

If you were the manager of Blackburn Rovers would you have signed him?

No I wouldn't. just like I wouldn't have signed some of the players Coyle did like Byrne, Hendrie and Samuelsen. But Coyle took a chance on a couple of young players and it hasn't worked out

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

He has never be described as a specialist. He came as a player who would also help out with coaching the Under-23's. At no point - apart from on here - has anyone suggested he was appointed as a specialist coach. He is a player who has done his coaching badges and is looking to move into coaching when he finally stops playing.

As far as I can see he stopped playing a while ago. Why we signed him I'll never know.

[Athlete]

Is Brown working with the 1st team coaching wise?

who said he is specialist? That's the term being used on here and not by Rovers or Brown from what I have read in the public domain

I would said Brown is more of mentor/ a guy for young players to speak to and past on advice and his experience from the higher levels of football

Whatever he isn't playing ie a waste of a wage chaddyrovers.. Read up on SW thread pal.. BTW you've still not answered whether the table is lying or not... A bit similar to a certain November when Kean said we wouldn't get relegated

[chaddyrovers]

Whatever he isn't playing ie a waste of a wage chaddyrovers.. Read up on SW thread pal.. BTW you've still not answered whether the table is lying or not... A bit similar to a certain November when Kean said we wouldn't get relegated

Never mention the table in my posts today but have said in the past that the squad quality is mid table for sure.

I read the Wharton thread.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Never mention the table in my posts today but have said in the past that the squad quality is mid table for sure.

I read the Wharton thread.

What table Chaddy ?

[JAL]

He has never be described as a specialist. He came as a player who would also help out with coaching the Under-23's. At no point - apart from on here - has anyone suggested he was appointed as a specialist coach. He is a player who has done his coaching badges and is looking to move into coaching when he finally stops playing.

Cheers Parsons but has the term specialist been attached to Wes in order to justify some huge pay packet that he's collecting.

[ABBEY]

What table Chaddy ?

a bottom three one

Whatever he isn't playing ie a waste of a wage chaddyrovers.. Read up on SW thread pal.. BTW you've still not answered whether the table is lying or not... A bit similar to a certain November when Kean said we wouldn't get relegated

he wont answer a question thats awkward ....just like he refuses to answer if did the 18 75.

[47er]

He has never be described as a specialist. He came as a player who would also help out with coaching the Under-23's. At no point - apart from on here - has anyone suggested he was appointed as a specialist coach. He is a player who has done his coaching badges and is looking to move into coaching when he finally stops playing.

Hasn't he already stopped playing?

[tomphil]

I'm sure when he first arrived it was on trial to be a player for us and this helping coach the youth only came about when they said he'd signed a contract.