[Archived] Coyle Out

[Dunnfc]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Over 12k ST holders have GONE and still they dont care. Its pocket money to them. They done nothing to get them back. Nothing at all!!!

With the greatest of respect, I don't think sometimes you fully understand;  1) The Bigger Picture 2) The Long-Term Effects of Why People Are Taking The Action They Are Doing. 3) What you can do yourself in this current predicament whilst still attending.

[Blue blood]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why do you keepcricitising the people who are season ticket holders? 

I am passionate Rovers fan and will always been so. I wont give up..

Only people who can sack him is the people in India. You really think they give a toss about what fans think or protests..cos they dont. 

So Gav, how do get a message to them?

He is saying it is morally untenable to go. Nothing to do with forcing them out, but that in conscience he cannot go and support them. Ethically it would be wrong to him.

Whether it forces them out is in some ways a different matter. It is a moral issue as well as a control issue. Hope that makes sense.

[Butty]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why do you keepcricitising the people who are season ticket holders? 

I am passionate Rovers fan and will always been so. I wont give up..

Only people who can sack him is the people in India. You really think they give a toss about what fans think or protests..cos they dont. 

So Gav, how do get a message to them?

Have a day off being a patronising prat Chaddy. I replied to a post similar to this the other day, in which you ignored stating that it's not about what the Venkys think or affecting them, it's about fighting for what you believe in and fighting for the club you love, I have my season ticket just like you but I'd miss any game for a protest cos the bigger picture is much more important to me. Do you not realise the club is being run by incompetent crooks and is being run into the ground? The club you still somehow enjoy going to watch( I dread going to ewood on a Saturday) will be no more in a few years mate. 

[tomphil]

Other people hold stakes in this club it's as simple as that and it screamed that out loud and clearly right at the start. Why is there ALWAYS someone with connections to certain factions in some sort of office at the club ?

Why would Venkys after being so called shafted all these times for all these years just not instill an MD to work under their instruction on a daily basis at Ewood with a proper line of communication instead of having to fly around the world stopping at various points before getting decisions ?

The amount of agents/agencies proven to be involved at the start weren't mere advisers that just seems to be a way of excusing the corrupt FA a blind eye to it. 

Just look at Seniors words the other week 'shareholders, stakeholders  partners' he said not 'owners & fans' when referring to doing the job He's telling us something there just like the other little gems he's dropped in, probably by mistake.

[Dunnfc]

Just now, tomphil said:

Other people hold stakes in this club it's as simple as that and it screamed that out loud and clearly right at the start. Why is there ALWAYS someone with connections to certain factions in some sort of office at the club ?

Why would Venkys after being so called shafted all these times for all these years just not instill an MD to work under their instruction on a daily basis at Ewood with a proper line of communication instead of having to fly around the world stopping at various points before getting decisions ?

The amount of agents/agencies proven to be involved at the start weren't mere advisers that just seems to be a way of excusing the corrupt FA a blind eye to it. 

Just look at Seniors words the other week 'shareholders, stakeholders  partners' he said not 'owners & fans' when referring to doing the job He's telling us something there just like the other little gems he's dropped in, probably by mistake.

Which is exactly why this club needs administration and a re-birth via a newco to free ourselves of anything to do with the above.

[tomphil]

They'll slip up soon all it takes is a request for money and main sponsors Venkys say nope there is no assets left to pay us back from. Then the other lot squabble between themselves but can't come up with it then bang it's too late, we seem to be seeing a gradual Vs withdrawal so someone will have to come up with a pot of about 10 million in one go in the next 12 months to keep things as they are.

Even with the huge axe swing reducing operations by about 50% i expect in the summer there'll still be a 10 mill per season hole for a year or two probably. Hows that going to be filled i wonder ?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, J*B said:

Heres one thing they do give a toss about. Money. Everyone does. You do. They do. Everyone cares about money.

If you do not attend, it costs them money. The more money the club costs them, the more likely they are to sell it.

I bought an Alfa Romeo. Its lovely, but its always breaking. Every time it breaks, it costs me money to repair. So i'm selling my Alfa Romeo. Its that simple.

Don't do it. Once an Alfa owner always an Alfa owner . I've had three over the last 18 years, no more unreliable than most other cars in that price bracket.

[47er]

4 hours ago, Butty said:

Have a day off being a patronising prat Chaddy. I replied to a post similar to this the other day, in which you ignored stating that it's not about what the Venkys think or affecting them, it's about fighting for what you believe in and fighting for the club you love, I have my season ticket just like you but I'd miss any game for a protest cos the bigger picture is much more important to me. Do you not realise the club is being run by incompetent crooks and is being run into the ground? The club you still somehow enjoy going to watch( I dread going to ewood on a Saturday) will be no more in a few years mate. 

Indeed Chaddy will have to find something else to be passionate about, that or rein his passions in!

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, arbitro said:

They must be bothered about losing that many customers. If their other businesses lost over 50% of their customer base  they would do something about. No business in the world would operate like that.

They don't know what to do and because they don't want any due diligence done for any potential sale they are stuck and are doing nothing.

Out of interest what do you believe their end game is?

firstly, Thanks for the question.

I think they end game to sell all the assets(players) they can to pay off the debt in Venkys London Limited company which they have now done.

I now believe(really hope) they are now going to put the club up for sale or by the summer in administration but then Venkys lose the power and unlikely to get any money which they would by a sale. I don't sell them selling to a local buyer like Battersby and Currie. they best way to get the club is by administration. so I see them selling to an overseas buyer or someone they know. due diligence will be interesting to see what potential new owners would find.

I hope that any new owner come in with a proper plan and structure with a Football experience CEO in charge. If you offer me right now, League 1 football with a proper owner with proper structure in place and plan with a new manager in. obviously I would prefer to be Championship club cos I think we could attract a better quality owner. If them come in with a proper plan and structure I think they could achieve promotion with a couple of seasons. Look at Huddersfield owner when he decided to sacked Powell and appoint Wagner and now they are playing good quality football and in the top 6 So I would probably appoint a German Head coach to run the football side of the club. maybe with a sporting director in place.  

[Hasta]

Good post Chads except for the bit about appointing a German cos it worked for Huddersfield. 

[Mike Graham]

Sorry Chaddy but was has bringing in a German Head Coach got to do with the bigger issue of bent owners and bent agents?

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Hasta said:

Good post Chads except for the bit about appointing a German cos it worked for Huddersfield. 

I have no problem with other ideas I was just saying What I thought I would do. I would have zero problem with us going and appoint a Simon Grayson or giving someone like Gareth Ainsworth a chance.

But what is more important is having a proper structure and plan in place with a good owner who communicated to the fans

Just now, preston blue said:

Sorry Chaddy but was has bringing in a German Head Coach got to do with the bigger issue of bent owners and bent agents?

Funny thing is I didn't mention bent owners or agents in my post.

I was talking about my plan going forward after the takeover

[OJRovers]

If you compare the Senior interview with Nixon's interview, I think we could be heading for a clash between Senior and Coyle.

The views on the transfer window couldn't be more different. Coyle's pal Nicko slated the way the club behaved and was very sceptical about them taking the Marshall money and messing everyone else around. Senior was toeing the party line and hailing it as a sucesss. Seems like Senior is here to do the owner's dirty work, wouldn't surprise me if he ousted Coyle. However, he is part of the bigger problem.

[tomphil]

Which brings us right back to Coyle being plonked in here representing the hidden mob and now we have Senior representing the Indian mob and Pasha the middle man.

Straight back to the Shaw/Agnew/Shebby days. This pattern has being going since take over and will continue under this corrupt regime. The only way is admin i'm afraid and if Vs withdraw most funding and the other lot can't come up with some instead of just pilfering percentages it'll be game over soon.

The club has always been a pawn in this game and maybe this is Venkys revenge on the 3rd party, think about it !

[JHRover]

How many times have we seen it when bang out of the blue someone suddenly appears on the scene and starts to throw the cat among the pidgeons?

So many occasions when some new face rolls into town claiming to want to do x,y,z and singing the owners praises only then to be gone within a few seasons. 

Whether its sibling rivalry, possibly Balaji's attempt to force change without doing the deed of firing Coyle himself as big sis won't allow it, or whether its something more sinister with people in the shadows with interests to protect, what there certainly isn't is a coherent plan or strategy and there certainly still appears to be at least two or even three different factions at work.

Of course it is inevitable that Senior and Coyle will clash, just as it was inevitable that Singh and Kean were going to clash but Kean had set himself up very nicely and spotted a chance to get out quickly. 

I can't quite put my finger on the purpose of Senior's presence. At first I thought he was here to shield Pasha from the limelight. Or maybe just to take away some of Cheston's workload which must be impossible for one man to handle. Then I thought he was here to squeeze the last few quid out of the place using his contacts. Then I wondered whether he really believes what he comes out with and has convinced Pasha to give him a job. He certainly seems keen to broadcast his largely false accomplishments at Sheffield Wednesday, perhaps Rovers really are so daft to believe he picked up 13 players for nothing that took Wednesday to the play off final and he's made £200 million in profits.

He certainly seems to be under the impression that he can make decisions and spend money. Whether that's just lies to string us along or like Lambert last year he genuinely believes it remains to be seen. 

These Venkys would probably offer people the world when giving them the job, its only when in place and the phone's always engaged that people see the reality of the situation.

[Jock]

[USABlue]

On 2/2/2017 at 9:17 AM, bob fleming said:

I know you asked chaddy but here are my thoughts. You'd think they'd be bothered. Any rational thinking organisation / person would certainly be bothered. But show me one thing that they have done, one positive action they have carried out in an attempt to bring the fans back? Every year season tickets go on sale later and later - it's almost like an after thought. There's no early bird / early incentive scheme offering a discount. You'd think they'd be doing everything and anything to get as many people in the ground as possible. Oh, of course, there's the Premier League pledge. (as though anyone bought a ST on the back of that promo...)

Due diligence  / going through the books. I'm not buying that. This club has issued more NDA's in the last 6 years than MI5 I'd wager. if they wanted to sell I'm sure they could - and the chances are nothing would ever come out about just what the hell has been going on.

I'd suggest that:

They don't fully own the club - they are just a front. Agent or Agents - own a large stake. Why have Pasha (venkys?) and Senior (agents)? What purpose does that serve? Is this why nothing ever gets decided?

or

They are so loaded that this simply doesn't hurt them, they're not bothered in the slightest. Bad press? You wouldn't know they even existed this lot. Never utter a word. Don't forget this look go toe to toe with PETA - regrettably I doubt chucking tennis balls on the pitch is going to bother them.

What is their end game? Who knows? I haven't a clue. I struggle to see just what pleasure / benefit they're getting from any of this now. There are no assets left. They are surely losing money. Not that I think they've ever been bothered but the football is crap as well.

Why on earth they don't PUT THE CLUB UP FOR SALE is anyone's guess. 

Like you hinted at, perhaps it's not truly theirs to sell.  As ling as the shady agents behind the scenes are maki g money what do they care.

[MGAndy]

On 02/02/2017 at 4:42 PM, tomphil said:

Why would Venkys after being so called shafted all these times for all these years just not instill an MD to work under their instruction on a daily basis at Ewood with a proper line of communication instead of having to fly around the world stopping at various points before getting decisions ?

This is exactly what they have done.

MD = Pasha

Only reason it isnt official is that he doesnt have a work permit meaning the club would be breaking immigration laws by employing someone who isnt legally allowed to work in the UK.

[davulsukur]

20 minutes ago, AndyW said:

This is exactly what they have done.

MD = Pasha

Only reason it isnt official is that he doesnt have a work permit meaning the club would be breaking immigration laws by employing someone who isnt legally allowed to work in the UK.

Surely this info can anonymously be pushed to the correct authorities......? 

[Dunnfc]

Just now, davulsukur said:

Surely this info can anonymously be pushed to the correct authorities......? 

I believe they are already investigating.

[alcd]

Pasha should be as arrested and deported as an illegal immigrant.

[MGAndy]

Owen Coyle - Balaji has finally given the green light to go and smack that smarmy git Senior in his false sickly grin.

No it wont be gross misconduct so you cant be sacked.

[The Militant]

4 hours ago, Jock said:

I was away to post this. Where is the article from, I mean the one that is highlighted in yellow?

 

[The Militant]

51 minutes ago, Dunnfc said:

I believe they are already investigating.

Who is investigating and do you mean were as opposed to are??

[USABlue]

I have to wonder if Shebby was still around might he got rud of this IDIOT by now.