[Archived] Barnsley Away

[Neal]

Sorry Neal. It's definitely not amusing, It's heartbreaking.

It was but its been going on that long now i cant keep feeling like that. Its that unrecognisable to me in every aspect that it's difficult to even get upset about it these days.

[blue kiwi]

dingle out,job 55% done this guy is a disgrace

on the lenihan sending off,he has obviously been told he is leaving january,no injury before then now.

[Athlete]

Don't anyone try and dress that dross up.. Before barnsley scored they should of been two up.. We made them look like Barcelona at times.. Wes Brown ffs I'd of been better with seven pints down my neck..

Btw anyone know what Emnes said to someone when get was going off

[MCMC1875]

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[Mike Graham]

Don't anyone try and dress that dross up.. Before barnsley scored they should of been two up.. We made them look like Barcelona at times.. Wes Brown ffs I'd of been better with seven pints down my neck..

Btw anyone know what Emnes said to someone when get was going off

But our Coyley said we should have won 3-1 or 2-1.

[Athlete]

But our Coyley said we should have won 3-1 or 2-1.

The guy is totally deluded

[Al]

How the hell is this incompetent keeping his job? It's incomprehensible.

[Athlete]

How the hell is this incompetent keeping his job? It's incomprehensible.

Like it always has been under these twohats.. Heard McLeish mentioned a few times but tbh would that work highly unlikely

Marshall conveniently missing yesterday as well..

[Amo]

How the hell is this incompetent keeping his job? It's incomprehensible.

Really? I thought a bumbling bulletproof Glaswegian would be pretty comprehensible at this point.

[Athlete]

Play for Owen Coyle or celebrate New Year's far away from the black hole that has become Ewood Park. Hmmm.

The club is completely screwed up on and off the field.. Emnes said something when he was going off whilst one or two clapped the fans most just had there heads down..

[RevidgeBlue]

Coyle on the radio said that the fans should have supported the team from the start rather than having a go and many of those having a go do not attend home games.

(Flameproof jacket on)

In devil's advocate mode I can sort of see where Coyle is coming from with that comment. I don't understand the logic of someone who is prepared to put money into the coffers of another Club but won't attend a home game so as not to contribute to the coffers of their own Club either. The place still has to keep running regardless of how much you dislike the owners at any given time.

Alll that said his recent managerial record suggests he is an extremely cack manager who achieved flash in the pan success at Burnley and I'm sure he isn't stupid enough not to realise that with the ex Burnley connection he was going to have to plait sawdust before there was the remotest chance of the fans accepting him. In fact I was told by someone at the Club of an incident after one of the pre-season games. A long standing fan apparently came up to Coyle after one of the pre season games and said "We played quite well today but you'll always be a Burnley *******." I'm told Coyle found that hilarious at the time but it seems he is feeling the pressure now.

I hope he isn't here much longer but in the meantime again he can't be stupid enough not to be aware of the animosity of the fans towards the owners before he took the job. Rather than directly criticise the fans he should be saying is something slightly more diplomatic along the lines of "I fully understand the fans frustration over results which certainly havent been good enough and I take full responsibility for that. I would however ask the fans who attend the games to try and get behind the side as it helps the players."

Needs to go either way.

[ABBEY]

You can feck right off rev ffs !!!!

I for one won't give them keaners another penny so shove that up your @#/? stirring trolling arse

[Athlete]

(Flameproof jacket on)

In devil's advocate mode I can sort of see where Coyle is coming from with that comment. I don't understand the logic of someone who is prepared to put money into the coffers of another Club but won't attend a home game so as not to contribute to the coffers of their own Club either. The place still has to keep running regardless of how much you dislike the owners at any given time.

Alll that said his recent managerial record suggests he is an extremely cack manager who achieved flash in the pan success at Burnley and I'm sure he isn't stupid enough not to realise that with the ex Burnley connection he was going to have to plait sawdust before there was the remotest chance of the fans accepting him. In fact I was told by someone at the Club of an incident after one of the pre-season games. A long standing fan apparently came up to Coyle after one of the pre season games and said "We played quite well today but you'll always be a Burnley *******." I'm told Coyle found that hilarious at the time but it seems he is feeling the pressure now.

I hope he isn't here much longer but in the meantime again he can't be stupid enough not to be aware of the animosity of the fans towards the owners before he took the job. Rather than directly criticise the fans he should be saying is something slightly more diplomatic along the lines of "I fully understand the fans frustration over results which certainly havent been good enough and I take full responsibility for that. I would however ask the fans who attend the games to try and get behind the side as it helps the players."

Needs to go either way.

No matter what reason or by whom he was brought to the club.. He really should have been more diplomatic about what he said

[Mike Graham]

(Flameproof jacket on)

In devil's advocate mode I can sort of see where Coyle is coming from with that comment. I don't understand the logic of someone who is prepared to put money into the coffers of another Club but won't attend a home game so as not to contribute to the coffers of their own Club either. The place still has to keep running regardless of how much you dislike the owners at any given time.

Alll that said his recent managerial record suggests he is an extremely cack manager who achieved flash in the pan success at Burnley and I'm sure he isn't stupid enough not to realise that with the ex Burnley connection he was going to have to plait sawdust before there was the remotest chance of the fans accepting him. In fact I was told by someone at the Club of an incident after one of the pre-season games. A long standing fan apparently came up to Coyle after one of the pre season games and said "We played quite well today but you'll always be a Burnley *******." I'm told Coyle found that hilarious at the time but it seems he is feeling the pressure now.

I hope he isn't here much longer but in the meantime again he can't be stupid enough not to be aware of the animosity of the fans towards the owners before he took the job. Rather than directly criticise the fans he should be saying is something slightly more diplomatic along the lines of "I fully understand the fans frustration over results which certainly havent been good enough and I take full responsibility for that. I would however ask the fans who attend the games to try and get behind the side as it helps the players."

Needs to go either way.

I see where you are coming from. The issue is his incompetence not his Burnley links. Of course the bigger issue, the single most importance issue is the owners.

As for putting money into other clubs and not Rovers it is more than that. Rovers will always be my team....they are a massive part of my life and have been for 49 years......I find it too painful to go into Ewood, the place is a morgue and I feel as if I have lost a long loved partner.

[mhead]

The Club is so toxic at the moment.... that I am no longer sure what matters any more.

I am sure that Coyley does not matter and his only value is to second guess the current mood/activity/inactivity in Pune.

[arbitro]

I see where you are coming from. The issue is his incompetence not his Burnley links. Of course the bigger issue, the single most importance issue is the owners.

As for putting money into other clubs and not Rovers it is more than that. Rovers will always be my team....they are a massive part of my life and have been for 49 years......I find it too painful to go into Ewood, the place is a morgue and I feel as if I have lost a long loved partner.

In a similar vein Mike the main problem for me when Coyle was appointed was that he is useless. The nonsense spouted by Cheston when trying to justify Coyle's appointment was the antithesis of what he actually is. Track record of bringing young players through? Exactly where did this happen? The age profile of his permanent signings averages around the thirty year old mark. Yesterday for example he brought Feeney on whilst Mahoney was left on the bench. Cheston talked about his 'Championship experience' which was true, he has had experience but the majority of it has been struggling at the bottom of the league. I can't (and couldn't at the time of his appointment) think of one redeeming footballing reason why he was appointed. His Burnley background and criticism of the fans who had the temerity to boo a lying, thieving scroat will always be there but I was am dead set against him because he is useless.

The whole thing needs exorcising and cleansing of the scourge which is absolutely ruining an institution steeped in mainly glorious history.

[Blue blood]

http://mobile.rovers.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/blackburn-rovers-barnsley-owen-coyle-3485452.aspx

Ad nauseam.

"The conditions weren't great, Barnsley had the wind in the first half"

Does Coyle think before opening his mouth? Basically what he's saying is all the hours on the training ground, all the thousands of pounds we pay him and his staff - and it's all undone because the wind is in Barnsley's favour in the first half. Call me overly critical but I had hoped that our manager could come up with a game plan that was robust enough to compensate for not having the wind in our favour. Or was he taken by surprise by the wind? It's not exactly a snow storm in the amazon freak occurrence is it. The only thing less surprising than it being windy is the incompetence of the current regime. Seriously though, does he not hear what a buffoon he sounds?

Also having a pop at the fans - Kean, Bowyer and now Coyle. Seems like it's standard practice to have a go at the fans these days. Strange it's the only club where it happens. Mind you, I can see why he was surprised the fans were angry from the start. It's not as if the club has gone from a solid mid-table Premiership team to struggling to survive in the championship, and it's not as if we've been in the relegation places most of the season and on the back of a 3 match losing streak. Again, the man is utterly deluded?

Finally he says I'll accept the criticism and take it on the chin before promptly blaming the weather, the referee, the fans, the tea lady, the alignment of the stars and a host of other things. I'd hate to see the berk ducking responsibility for something.

[tomphil]

I don't think he's deluded he's just putting into practice the self preservation tactics he's been hiding in his locker since he took the job. Crafty snake.

[Stuart]

Coyle's comments aren't directed at the fans though, they are for the benefit of know-nowts who will probably nod and agree rather than seem foolish. "Yes, yes, Barnsley is quite famous for wind that changes direction at half time".

Has he gone yet?

This is where not having a football-knowledgeable chairman based in the area really holds us back. Don't they want all of their business subsidiaries to be successful?

[Neal]

(Flameproof jacket on)

In devil's advocate mode I can sort of see where Coyle is coming from with that comment. I don't understand the logic of someone who is prepared to put money into the coffers of another Club but won't attend a home game so as not to contribute to the coffers of their own Club either. The place still has to keep running regardless of how much you dislike the owners at any given time.

Alll that said his recent managerial record suggests he is an extremely cack manager who achieved flash in the pan success at Burnley and I'm sure he isn't stupid enough not to realise that with the ex Burnley connection he was going to have to plait sawdust before there was the remotest chance of the fans accepting him. In fact I was told by someone at the Club of an incident after one of the pre-season games. A long standing fan apparently came up to Coyle after one of the pre season games and said "We played quite well today but you'll always be a Burnley *******." I'm told Coyle found that hilarious at the time but it seems he is feeling the pressure now.

I hope he isn't here much longer but in the meantime again he can't be stupid enough not to be aware of the animosity of the fans towards the owners before he took the job. Rather than directly criticise the fans he should be saying is something slightly more diplomatic along the lines of "I fully understand the fans frustration over results which certainly havent been good enough and I take full responsibility for that. I would however ask the fans who attend the games to try and get behind the side as it helps the players."

Needs to go either way.

How can you not understand the logic? I could understand you saying you dont agree with it but to say you "dont understand" is extremely closed minded.

It's simple... As a customer i refuse to be ignored and even blamed for our failings (which are totally the owners) by people at the club. I'm abvioisly not the only one because there are 1000's of others too.

Take your head out of your arse.

[Amo]

This is where not having a football-knowledgeable chairman based in the area really holds us back. Don't they want all of their business subsidiaries to be successful?

Success has never been the objective here, Stu.

[mustard]

(Flameproof jacket on)

In devil's advocate mode I can sort of see where Coyle is coming from with that comment. I don't understand the logic of someone who is prepared to put money into the coffers of another Club but won't attend a home game so as not to contribute to the coffers of their own Club either. The place still has to keep running regardless of how much you dislike the owners at any given time.

Alll that said his recent managerial record suggests he is an extremely cack manager who achieved flash in the pan success at Burnley and I'm sure he isn't stupid enough not to realise that with the ex Burnley connection he was going to have to plait sawdust before there was the remotest chance of the fans accepting him. In fact I was told by someone at the Club of an incident after one of the pre-season games. A long standing fan apparently came up to Coyle after one of the pre season games and said "We played quite well today but you'll always be a Burnley *******." I'm told Coyle found that hilarious at the time but it seems he is feeling the pressure now.

I hope he isn't here much longer but in the meantime again he can't be stupid enough not to be aware of the animosity of the fans towards the owners before he took the job. Rather than directly criticise the fans he should be saying is something slightly more diplomatic along the lines of "I fully understand the fans frustration over results which certainly havent been good enough and I take full responsibility for that. I would however ask the fans who attend the games to try and get behind the side as it helps the players."

Needs to go either way.

You can't understand fans that have no interest in funding our corrupt owners? Really? I'd have thought it was patently obvious why a huge number of our fans have withdrawn support for our shell of a club and its owners. I think you and a small number of fans don't quite seem able to grasp that even if we all rallied together and packed out Ewood every week, it wouldn't make the debt go down, it wouldn't pay the bills; it's just a bit more money to assist the Rao's in their @#/?-up job at Rovers. Us packing out Ewood will make diddly-squat of a difference. We'd still have @#/? owners, @#/? manager and staff, @#/? players, we'd still be racking up a @#/? load of debt every year. The end result would literally not be any different. Venky's are running us into the ground, regardless.

Been said once, been said a million times. No one gives a @#/? about his Dingle connection. If Coyle was judged solely on his Burnley tenure then I, and I am sure the majority of fans, would have been very happy with his appointment (give me Dyche any day). It's just that every other arrow was pointing to a steaming pile of turd, and that's why his appointment was treated with hostility. Considering his managerial record and his history of slating our fans during the King Rat era, he'd never have been accepted even if he'd never managed down the road. It's just easy to call him a "Burnley Barsteward".

Last paragraph and lone sentence I agree with. He's handled this shockingly, but he's a desperate man so god knows what he's thinking. Trying to rally fans against each other but I don't think it will work this time.

[Dunnfc]

No money in the club means administration which means new owners and a possible CVA over the alleged fake debt.

No Money in the club from me until the above happens.

[OJRovers]

Worth noting that Barnsley have one of the lowest wage bills in the league and are now 3 points off the playoffs. Coyle only mentions money when it suits him.

[RoverCanada]

Haha, having just seen the highlights, Evans hitting the crossbar on that midfield chip after the Barnsley keeper scuffed his kick was pretty funny... On that first goal, I can't fathom how two Barnsley players seemed to be wide open while both Brown and Lenihan appeared to be covering nobody... I personally have preferred Lenihan's midfield performances...

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There are definitely quite a few who were never going to give Coyle a chance. Some because of his Burnley connection, though I would hope/think that's a minor point for most. Some because outside of Burnley, he's largely been a pretty **** manager. Some due to a general antipathy toward the owners and anything the club does while they're in charge. I can see why Coyle would be frustrated with the latter faction of the fanbase (though he's obviously clueless to those who just think he's always been a **** manager!)... I recall a game thread a few games ago where someone posted "Feeney actually had a good game... but Coyle was still wrong to pick him!" Now, I'm not going to defend the Feeney signing or his general performance. I agree he's been a poor signing and I was annoyed he was picked over Mahoney AND Bennett yesterday (as well as for the game in question from my above paraphrase)... but Coyle can hardly win with some fans if that's their attitude (though he should also be aware and accepting of that given our ****show owners).

I think Coyle deserves some credit for some of the "transfer" (er, loan) business he has managed with practically zero budget (while having to sell his top two CBs right at the start of the season). The likes of Emnes, Gallagher, and Hoban have been astute loans, I was pleasantly surprised he managed to bring Graham back in, and while they haven't worked out, I think Byrne, Hendrie, and Samuelsen were worthy "swings" at bringing in PL youngsters not yet ready for the PL. People moan about those signings, but one of the benefits of loans over signings/transfers is if they don't work out, you're not then saddled with their contracts. It's a perfectly reasonable strategy GIVEN the complete lack of a budget (which of course brings this all back to Venky's horrific reign).

Having said that (and please keep reading before you flame me haha), Coyle's defensive signings have predictably blown up in his face. It shouldn't be any surprise to him that Mulgrew, Greer, and Brown haven't been able to provide him consistent minutes (I actually like the Greer and Mulgrew signings... but you can only count on them as bit players). Coyle's had some bad luck with Hoban and apparently Wharton suffering injuries (and, again, he lost his main CB pairing right before the season...), but it's clear he had set up a house of cards. I've also never been convinced by Lenihan back there.

I had also resigned myself to Lowe being our starting RB given his captaincy and I'll shamefully admit I was trying to stay optimistic about it given, in my opinion at the time, Lowe was a better RB than MF given a few decent performances in the past. Once that "experiment" ended, it's clear Coyle had no fallback option. Marshall seems to only work back there on occasion and his head isn't in it, Nyambe has some promise but he's hardly ready for a very demanding position at the level of Championship football... Henley's always injured, and is also terrible. Maybe Bennett... but he's been injured and would also be playing out of position... Coyle's essentially ****ed up 3/4 of our back line (I'm actually not too fond of Williams at LB either, but some seem to like him)

In sum... even if Coyle has managed to assemble some decent talent after starting the year with only 12 players (no easy task), he's well demonstrated his tactical ineptitude and he's assembled a tinderbox rather than a backline... I think there is enough talent in the squad to scrap us out of the bottom 3 with a sounder (boring, defensive) manager and I'm all in favour of his sacking, but my suspicion is Venky's have ruled out/can't afford any further severance packages...