[Archived] Rovers Vs The Pool Fa Cup

[Ozz]

If that post by Oldgregg doesn't stir people to action then I don't know what will.

[J*B]

So many moments of agreement with oldgregg there.

[Tom]

Best post in years Gregg!

[Doug]

Great post Gregg.

13 attendees......

[J*B]

Great post Gregg.

13 attendees......

13 people that give a darn trying very hard - not attendees. It's a lonely game.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

If you want to give up something you enjoy that is your personal choice because you believe it will have some sort of impact. Others believe differently and therefore choose to do differently. If everyone is doing what they choose to do and what they believe is the right thing to do there really shouldn't be a problem.

The problem is we don't get anywhere as they cancel each other out!

[Rover_Shaun]

A serious question for those not willing to miss this meaningless game to make a point that THEY are fed up to the back teeth with the owners?

At what point would you consider withholding your attendance from Ewood Park. What is your breaking point?

League 1? League 2? Conference? Astro turf by the JW soccer dome?

[Stuart]

What do we do Stuart. I went to the last supporters meeting. There was 13 people their and we voted for an advert to be placed in India. That was it. 13 people. We donated to the mural months ago. Where is it. has the advert been placed ? Has anyone been to India. It was supposed to be after the ipswich game or the cricket. No one has been. I try to keep up to date but know nothing. Please don't take that to heart because the people at this end are doing way more than myself or anyone else. At the other end I got a train to Preston then to Blackburn to do the walk that never happened and had to get the train back. People won't boycott one FA cup game were all the money goes to venkys, oyston and the FA. If there is ever the perfect time to boycott and get a message across its now. Equally in front of the sky camera for the 1875 protest boycotters wouldn't come back for one game. If thousands more would of done the 1875 it would have had a larger impact and helped with media coverage. Coventry, Charlton even Leyton Orient have all been mentioned via the media this week alone. Rovers never get a look in. I suggested the u23 protest for the not a penny more brigade. I can't even remember what rubbish the reason that was a no go. People won't do a walk from the town centre and on top of that I sit in the away end of away games with the people behind me shouting venkys/coyle out and the people in front shouting sit down and shut up (obviously less politely than that). I have seen fans literally fighting each other. 6 years later the debt increases our league position spirals as does the quality of football. The further we fall the less the media care and still we are having the same pointless debates. So sorry stuart. I hope your lad gets to have some of the cherished moments we have had the pleasure of seeing but I can't do it anymore. It's making me hate the one thing I love more than anything.

Hopefully you took my post the right way. You and I are on the same side. I too have done all the protests - including the18/75 and both marches from the town hall, (3 or 4 years apart). It's pitiful that we only get a couple of hundred turning up.

What upsets me most is that there are other Rovers fans justifying their "decision" to do nothing as "their choice" or "their right" or "why can't people just respect [our decision to not try]?". Why can't they put their own interests aside for the good of the fight? If there is a protest, why - if they are able - do they choose not to join in? Choosing instead to undermine them.

The only fortunate thing for my lad is that he saw Mark Hughes' Rovers so he at least got some decent moments. He was in the crowd at Wigan when Ince finally got found out (and he saw the club respond by removing and replacing him). So he knows the part that fans can and should play in supporting their club (against all enemies - foreign and domestic). Since Kean came in he has really been tested but we have persevered. When Kean left I got my youngest lad a half season ticket. I had held off giving them any more money that season until he was gone. My time going to Rovers is precious because it is time that we are scheduled to get make time to bond. Yes, we could do other things but nothing so regimented. To miss this time and to boycott the Blackpool match will really hurt - and will be like punishing my lads - so I don't take the decision lightly. To therefore see that the do-nowts are making every one of our efforts futile and causing people like you to doubt and to wonder why you bother, is a loss to all of our previous efforts and a loss to our club.

We are currently lacking a figurehead. Paul did a great job organising the last march and didn't really get the support you'd have hoped for. We had Glen Mullan, like him or loathe him, we had the WAR group, we had Simon Garner lined up (apparently) - although he seems more inclined to worry about doing the half time draw than to draw swords. There is no leader. But if there was then they need to have the ear of the majority and not just small protest groups. It's not an easy task, and it is pretty thankless and it requires a lot of time but if parts of the fanbase have no intention of ever uniting behind a common protest then why would anyone sign up for that?

We badly needed Seneca to be a public takeover attempt and to help by galvanising protests rather than trying to stay out of the limelight and offer Venkys a dignified option. In hindsight, they have no class and are too stupid to know when someone is trying to help. They would much rather listen to people who want to take money out than put money in.

A serious question for those not willing to miss this meaningless game to make a point that THEY are fed up to the back teeth with the owners?

At what point would you consider withholding your attendance from Ewood Park. What is your breaking point?

League 1? League 2? Conference? Astro turf by the JW soccer dome?

This has been asked before. It was ducked for ages then when finally forced, Parson said he didn't have a breaking point. Chaddy agreed.

[47er]

It seems to me Stuart that your idea of unity is everybody doing what you do. That's not unity. Ultimately we all have our own ideas about the owners, the club, the manager, the players etc. We all have our own ideas about the way forward. If you get some release for your anger from protesting then that's a good thing for you, as an individual, but it's not the same for others. Ultimately, we all do what we believe to be right.

So Parson, is your idea on how to get rid of Venkys to attend every game in the hope that your attendance will make the club more attractive to a new owner?

It won't stop is being relegated though will it? And that will make the club less attractive? Yes?

Doomed that way are we not?

[Rover_Shaun]

This has been asked before. It was ducked for ages then when finally forced, Parson said he didn't have a breaking point. Chaddy agreed.

So misery is a addictive?

[Gav]

A very small minority actually believe protesting matters, I happen to be one of them, but I've given up because sadly the other 95% of the support can't be arsed.

I now sleep better, don't risk getting into trouble, and I'm happy to sit back and let this play out.

I suggest you lads/lasses do the same because until you've got wider support from the fan base its pointless and the majority don't care enough, they should hang their heads in shame.

[chaddyrovers]

Stuart, I really cant see Battersby or Currie joining the protest movement or being a figurehead at all.

Shaun, I guess my breaking point will be when I fall out of love with football and Rovers. Not there yet

[Doaksie]

It seems to me Stuart that your idea of unity is everybody doing what you do. That's not unity.

Of course it is. To achieve unity the fan base must unite with one common modus operandi. In this particular instance (regarding the Blackpool game), this manifests itself in two distinct ways - attending, or not. It seems rather sanctimonious to suggest Stuart is being egotistical just because you don't agree with him. He just believes that his way is the best option to achieve unity, and ultimately rid the club of this poison. To have unity, one of you needs to be correct.

[Oldgregg86]

I did take your post the right way pal and your post is a continuation of mine and I totally agree but whilst I watch fans fight in the stands and play who can be the most stubborn poster on here Id rather just watch the match and go home. It's a kop out I know and it's people with my attitude why we are ununified and getting nowhere but this time next year we could be at the bottom of league one and still be doing this with smaller numbers and less people media and otherwise who care. In 6 years not an ounce of progress has been made in uniting the fans. If anything it's got worse

A very small minority actually believe protesting matters, I happen to be one of them, but I've given up because sadly the other 95% of the support can't be arsed.

I now sleep better, don't risk getting into trouble, and I'm happy to sit back and let this play out.

I suggest you lads/lasses do the same because until you've got wider support from the fan base its pointless and the majority don't care enough, they should hang their heads in shame.

My point exactly

Of course it is. To achieve unity the fan base must unite with one common modus operandi. In this particular instance (regarding the Blackpool game), this manifests itself in two distinct ways - attending, or not. It seems rather sanctimonious to suggest Stuart is being egotistical just because you don't agree with him. He just believes that his way is the best option to achieve unity, and ultimately rid the club of this poison. To have unity, one of you needs to be correct.

If you won't boycott at least take banners , chant , do something to show you actually care. If there is a mass boycott and just 2000 turn up and you have to be one of them then take venkys out banners and shame on you fa banners that would at least be a start to uniting the fan base. We will see Saturday if people are serious about this or not. My money is on a banner free stadium and calls of scabs on entry

[Amo]

Parson said he didn't have a breaking point. Chaddy agreed.

This made me chuckle for some reason.

[Stuart]

It's a kop out I know and it's people with my attitude why we are ununified and getting nowhere but this time next year we could be at the bottom of league one and still be doing this with smaller numbers and less people media and otherwise who care. In 6 years not an ounce of progress has been made in uniting the fans. If anything it's got worse

A depressing thought in bold.

But do you really think that the lack of unity is down to people with your attitude? The fault of people who tried? Do you think that fans "uniting" by default, by doing nothing, is real unity?

Sure, it will make us all seem the same but we will simply be sleepwalking into oblivion. Yes, it will be less stressful (apart from watching crap football dictated by a crap manager) but you may as well go and get a group of mates and do something else with your time because it won't mean anything.

To be honest though, your posts this evening while having the effect of galvanising as inferred from Ozz's post, it's had the opposite effect on me. It's easy for Gav. Not bothering is easier when you move away from the area. I resent other Rovers fans that I meet in 'real life' who talk about the manager, the players, the outgoings, like we are a normal club. Putting up with the taunts of Bumley fans who are delighted to be looking down on us is the pits. The only thing we have got is that we are not the Blackburn Rovers that we used to be before Venkys turned up.

Some folk on here don't seem to take this very seriously. Others - including me - probably take it too seriously.

I don't hate anyone really, but I hate the Rao family for what they have done to our club.

[G Somerset Rover]

It's not just the Rao family; JA & cronies and plenty of others who we probably don't know about are just as liable. Makes me sick.

[Rover_Shaun]

Is there any more meat on the bones regarding the protest outside the ground?

[Oldgregg86]

It's sort of the opposite of the chaddy/parsons question. I'm afraid I've found my breaking point twice

[Gav]

This 'Gav living outside of the town cr@p' is just that, absolute cr@p Stuart.

This stuffs been going on for 6yrs now, 4 of which I was living in the town.

The vast majority didn't give a toss then and dont gives a toss now, nothing's changed a part from the clubs fortunes have declined as anyone with half a brain could have predicted.

[Jock]

This 'Gav living outside of the town cr@p' is just that, absolute cr@p Stuart.

This stuffs been going on for 6yrs now, 4 of which I was living in the town.

The vast majority didn't give a toss then and dont gives a toss now, nothing's changed a part from the clubs fortunes have declined as anyone with half a brain could have predicted.

A very small minority actually believe protesting matters, I happen to be one of them, but I've given up because sadly the other 95% of the support can't be arsed.

I now sleep better, don't risk getting into trouble, and I'm happy to sit back and let this play out.

I suggest you lads/lasses do the same because until you've got wider support from the fan base its pointless and the majority don't care enough, they should hang their heads in shame.

Re-charging your batteries Gav, keeping your powder dry. I'm doing the same. Sometimes its better to step back and get ready to go again.

We should get a 'THE ROVERS PLEDGE GROUP' 20 fans prepared to sit in the centre circle.

[Husky]

3pm Saturday kick-off then? That's some good news at least.

[Stuart]

This 'Gav living outside of the town cr@p' is just that, absolute cr@p Stuart.

This stuffs been going on for 6yrs now, 4 of which I was living in the town.

The vast majority didn't give a toss then and dont gives a toss now, nothing's changed a part from the clubs fortunes have declined as anyone with half a brain could have predicted.

I must have misunderstood Gav. I thought you said you had given up.

You weren't saying that 2 years ago.

[den]

A very small minority actually believe protesting matters, I happen to be one of them, but I've given up because sadly the other 95% of the support can't be arsed.

I now sleep better, don't risk getting into trouble, and I'm happy to sit back and let this play out.

I suggest you lads/lasses do the same because until you've got wider support from the fan base its pointless and the majority don't care enough, they should hang their heads in shame.

Lessons to be learned here from Gav.

sad to say, but organised demos by fans hoping to involve others hasn't generally worked. I wished it had, but it hasn't. It's for the individual to decide what he's going to do about the situation. 1875 worked well, but it's been hard to follow. I personally think the best protests are still the spontaneous ones. The loudest protest was the anti Kean one against Wigan when all four sides of the ground could be heard - and that wasn't organised. Gav had his moment of glory during his own, (again unrehearsed) demo. So basically, it's down to either spontaneous protesting led by groups of fans down at Ewood during the game, simply staying away - or still attending and doing nothing at all. I know some folk say any kind of protest makes no difference, but I believe they do. The owners WILL know what's happening and that will gradually wear them down. 6 years so far I know, but it's probably the only way.

[blue kiwi]

i would have thought a game of football at griffin could have been arranged for 2pm and then both sets of fans could march on ewood,is that to difficult to organise?